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fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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I did some digging at seatac in the rain for about 5 hours yesterday. Made a new jump at the very top after the drop on the middle line. I almost finshed it but it got to dark on me. Hopefully everyone will leave it so I can finsh it next week and test it out. I also want to make it so you can just jump over the berm for those who dont want to hit it. Its about the size of the nutter jump, but the landing is twice as tall. I will bring the camra next time i build to post pics.

If anyone has seen 2 shovels around plz let me know, I stupidly left them out last week and now there gone :(. Or if anyone wants to donate..

-Kim
 

dirtmover

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Jun 14, 2005
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Let me know when you are heading back out there, I can help you finish building/digging that jump.
 

DesuL

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Nov 21, 2005
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Sweeeeet... Even though I cannot yet hit half the things you have built thanks for all the effort Kim. Its rad your doing as much digging as you are. Can't wait to see the new line and watch someone with more skill go off it. (im getting better fast though)

Sucks about the shovels.... Hope you can find them quick. I will keep my eye on garage sales to see if I can find anymore. And those that don't dig if you have an old shovel around and could bring it to SST someday it would really help some people out including YOU.
 
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fuzzycatnuts said:
I did some digging at seatac in the rain for about 5 hours yesterday. Made a new jump at the very top after the drop on the middle line. I almost finshed it but it got to dark on me. Hopefully everyone will leave it so I can finsh it next week and test it out. I also ....

-Kim
Wait until Wick sees it next month...
 

DBR X6 RIDER

Turbo Monkey
Str8OutaBallard said:
Wait until Wick sees it next month...
He's seen it alot over the last few months. Believe it or not, he is acutally impressed with it. Cautiously impressed mind you, but impressed all the same.
I'm more concerned with the reaction if I - oops, somebody - were to put a section of plywood against the fence wallride-style along the bottom left gap.:sneaky:
 

Netguy

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Nov 8, 2004
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I always thought we could probably get away with putting a couple of "natural" skinnies in, in the form of logs. If we put them in strategic places, we could make it look like they were there to begin with. It would be so nice to have a technical run.
 

fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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Um ok I have been building stuff out there for the last 6 months and no one has said anyting negative. I have made some stuff a little bigger but I also made the landings about twice as big, I think I have made things safer. If Wick has a problem with the stuff I built I have not heard about it, looks like Andy would know if he did. If anyone has concerns with what I build I would like to talk to them, I see a lot of people that ride seatac every weekend and never pick up a shove, lips and landing dont rebuild themselves...

UOTE=Str8OutaBallard]Wait until Wick sees it next month...[/QUOTE]
 

fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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sst definatly needs some skinnys at the top were it is flat like you said make them look natural and close to the ground so no one gets hurt on them just somting to practice on
 

Gex

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DBR X6 RIDER said:
He's seen it alot over the last few months. Believe it or not, he is acutally impressed with it. Cautiously impressed mind you, but impressed all the same.
I'm more concerned with the reaction if I - oops, somebody - were to put a section of plywood against the fence wallride-style along the bottom left gap.:sneaky:
Ohh god wick would have a heart attack his little xc clan wouldnt be happy. Plywood!!! On another note you should see what that gap does when u case it to a rear 36 hole deemax (owned)....
 

DesuL

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Nov 21, 2005
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4 years ago I was riding my XC bike at SST before anything but XC trails were there. I met this super rude fellow who was all hotty totty and up on himself and what he had "BUILT/MADE and CREATED" This person was Wick. And I luckily have never had to run into this phenom again.

I know he used to run a now defunct company and has been running races at SST for years. Is he a tax payer in the city of Des Moines?? Is he on the park board? I understand that after this many years he has a relationship built up with certain people but what give him any more right to use that land then we have? I have lived in the area for close to 20 years (grew up within 3 miles of the trails) and so why does what Wick thinks matter? I mean we all pay taxes on our public land. And ok, he took a weedeater out and made a few trails big whoop. If he is so proud of making a trail through the woods lets see him lift a shovel.

Sorry for the rant but land use stuff pisses me off and I have seen this type of **** before. Why should we have to even worry about what a fellow mtn biker wants to do? What if we all just rode horses that shiet all over his mtn bike trails. Atleast those that are building a riding jumps are into mountainbikes. Too bad someone seems to miss the point. Lets ad some safe wood obsticles. A wallride or big woodenberm is not going to be any more injury then the injustice the city of Des Moines did to a "skatepark"... I may be close to buying a house in Des Moines and you bet the City Council will know who I am real quick
 
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DesuL said:
4 years ago I was riding my XC bike at SST before anything but XC trails were there. I met this super rude fellow who was all hotty totty and up on himself and what he had "BUILT/MADE and CREATED" This person was Wick. And I luckily have never had to run into this phenom again.
Well never say never... here's one of Wicks creations...


 

Netguy

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Nov 8, 2004
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Gex said:
Ohh god wick would have a heart attack his little xc clan wouldnt be happy. Plywood!!! On another note you should see what that gap does when u case it to a rear 36 hole deemax (owned)....
Completely destroyed? Got a picture of the rim?

I did the same on my SX Trail. Cased it on a log, and the rear 721 literally blew up.
 

DBR X6 RIDER

Turbo Monkey
Ash/Kim - Next time I see you down there, I'll have to show you the section I was eyeing up last year for some skinnies.

Ben - Which gap did you toast your wheel - the one on the table or the one at the very bottom-left? I saw some kid obliterate a wheel on the bottom-left one a month or so ago. To his credit, it took casing that gap at least 5-6 times before the inevitable happened.
 

fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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Str8OutaBallard said:
Well never say never... here's one of Wicks creations...


? The part where he said never was about not meeting Wick since the first instance in the last 4 years. I dont think he was talking about building bike parts eather.
 

fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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DBR X6 RIDER said:
Ash/Kim - Next time I see you down there, I'll have to show you the section I was eyeing up last year for some skinnies.

Ben - Which gap did you toast your wheel - the one on the table or the one at the very bottom-left? I saw some kid obliterate a wheel on the bottom-left one a month or so ago. To his credit, it took casing that gap at least 5-6 times before the inevitable happened.
I helped build the lip on theat bottom left jump but I dont like how the landing is, I have seen more people case and crash on the jump more than any other one out there. I have talked to Andy(santa cruz) about moving the landing back, and making it higher but he does not want to do it so I am leaving it alone.
 

fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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As far as xc riders being upset with buidling new stuff I dont understand why we cant have a tiny little section of the whole park to make jumps and drops, they have the whole rest of the park to ride. I have seen a bunch of xc riders hitting some of the smaller stuff and having a great time. I fully understand if they need to mark of parts of the trails for races. I need to figure out how to include multipe quotes in one post so I dont make 3 posts in a row :).
 

Big B

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Oct 20, 2004
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That bottom-left jump, as we're calling it, requires more speed than any other jump at the park (aside from the launch pad on the big table). I think that takes people by surprise, and you almost have to case it once before you figure it out. I know I did.

I'd like to the see the landing have more dirt added to it to avoid breaking wheelsets when it's cased, rather than move it closer. Of course that requires dirt...which means another hole...
 

Netguy

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Nov 8, 2004
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fuzzycatnuts said:
I helped build the lip on theat bottom left jump but I dont like how the landing is, I have seen more people case and crash on the jump more than any other one out there. I have talked to Andy(santa cruz) about moving the landing back, and making it higher but he does not want to do it so I am leaving it alone.
Besides Jason (BigB), I dont think I have seen anybody hit that lower left jump. Santa Cruz Andy got very defensive when I talked to him about moving the tranny back. I tried to explain to him, that moving it 2 feet back will just make it more fun to hit, and people will actually hit it, on a regular basis. I am not going to mess with other peoples dirt.
 

Netguy

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Nov 8, 2004
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DBR X6 RIDER said:
Ash/Kim - Next time I see you down there, I'll have to show you the section I was eyeing up last year for some skinnies.

Sounds good. I agree with Kim, in that the top section would be best. Its well hidden, and it will get more riders up to the top section.
 
Jun 18, 2004
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fuzzycatnuts said:
? The part where he said never was about not meeting Wick since the first instance in the last 4 years. I dont think he was talking about building bike parts eather.
he's right... I was just tryin' to 'stir the pot'... wicks chainrings look cool though...
 

DesuL

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Nov 21, 2005
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Str8OutaBallard said:
he's right... I was just tryin' to 'stir the pot'... wicks chainrings look cool though...
Looks kinda confusing really. Whats the deal with the extra ramps? And im not impressed honestly in any way. I mean good for him he made a chainring. I have found no use to use his chainring over someone elses yet. Maybe it has some cool feature but that doesn't change what I think about the person who made it.

And those that have heard me ramble about my occupation or future plans with my weldings skills and my friends CNC mills I can come up with that same chainring if thats what I felt I needed.

Im mainly sore about the land use issue. We have 5% of a public park and the XC people still must use that section. Last Cross Country (running race) I watched my sister run in they did not demand that the course go through the nearby skatepark..

I hope that after a XC race at SST more XC people take the time to come see what is going on, watch those doing it and maybe even get turned onto a new way to enjoy riding bikes. But there are plenty of places to ride in that park to run 1000 races and no need to use that 5% (if even that high) of the PUBLIC area..

Ok enough ranting :) I just want EVERYONE XC and DH to have fun ont here bikes. No need to step on each others toes.

If anyone else has friday off I will be there friday afternoon
 

DBR X6 RIDER

Turbo Monkey
DesuL said:
Im mainly sore about the land use issue. We have 5% of a public park and the XC people still must use that section. Last Cross Country (running race) I watched my sister run in they did not demand that the course go through the nearby skatepark..

I hope that after a XC race at SST more XC people take the time to come see what is going on, watch those doing it and maybe even get turned onto a new way to enjoy riding bikes. But there are plenty of places to ride in that park to run 1000 races and no need to use that 5% (if even that high) of the PUBLIC area..
I go there often and haven't seen that issue arise in at least a year or two. Even the cyclocross folks were into what's going on in our little 5% of the world. It's honestly water under the bridge with the exception of the usual 1%'ers you see in any group.

What time you planning on heading out tomorrow. I'm going earlier than later - have to be home mid-afternoon. If I know for sure somebody else will be down there, I'll rock the dually. Otherwise, I might have to rally the 'cross bike around the singletrack instead.
It's a win-win situation as far as I can see.:cool:

Kim/Ash - Pip & I finally hit the now-famous gap on the top-left today. It's finally tacky enough up there to run at it. It felt real good and a perfect setup for the ledge drop.:thumb:
 

DesuL

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Nov 21, 2005
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yes what I have heard may just be gossip bull**** I will admit. But I just dont see why we (freerider group) has to compromise. I could be down there as early as 1030 try and make it by noon no matter what. Hope to see you then...
 

fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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DBR X6 RIDER said:
Kim/Ash - Pip & I finally hit the now-famous gap on the top-left today. It's finally tacky enough up there to run at it. It felt real good and a perfect setup for the ledge drop.:thumb:
Nice glad you liked it. Would be nice to make a berm coming into it.
What do you think about the start of the new jump I built? I want to make the tranny wider and maybe add more to the back of it.
 

lucky13

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Jun 3, 2005
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DesuL said:
Looks kinda confusing really. Whats the deal with the extra ramps? And im not impressed honestly in any way. I mean good for him he made a chainring. I have found no use to use his chainring over someone elses yet. Maybe it has some cool feature but that doesn't change what I think about the person who made it.

And those that have heard me ramble about my occupation or future plans with my weldings skills and my friends CNC mills I can come up with that same chainring if thats what I felt I needed.

Im mainly sore about the land use issue. We have 5% of a public park and the XC people still must use that section. Last Cross Country (running race) I watched my sister run in they did not demand that the course go through the nearby skatepark..

I hope that after a XC race at SST more XC people take the time to come see what is going on, watch those doing it and maybe even get turned onto a new way to enjoy riding bikes. But there are plenty of places to ride in that park to run 1000 races and no need to use that 5% (if even that high) of the PUBLIC area..

Ok enough ranting :) I just want EVERYONE XC and DH to have fun ont here bikes. No need to step on each others toes.

If anyone else has friday off I will be there friday afternoon
I haven't talked with Wick much since the ControlTech years (I used to work there as well) but what he told my riding buddies and I last fall was that he ponies up for the insurance at the races so ANYTHING bike related in that area is his concern (premium concern I guess). Wick can be really straightforward which comes off like being a dick, but he's cool like that. Just wear a helmet and be safe, no biggie.
 

Big B

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Oct 20, 2004
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Netguy said:
DBR X6 RIDER said:
Ash/Kim - Next time I see you down there, I'll have to show you the section I was eyeing up last year for some skinnies.
Isn't there a old, dilapidated stunt section through a hole in the chain-link fence at the bottom of the flow park? I think there are some wood structures like drops and skinnies and stuff. I wonder if that area could be resurrected?
 

DBR X6 RIDER

Turbo Monkey
fuzzycatnuts said:
Nice glad you liked it. Would be nice to make a berm coming into it.
What do you think about the start of the new jump I built? I want to make the tranny wider and maybe add more to the back of it.
New jump doesn't look bad at all. Maybe it's just the initial look at it, but it almost looks like the lip on the landing may be 6-12" too high. It's definitely got some potential.


Big B said:
Isn't there a old, dilapidated stunt section through a hole in the chain-link fence at the bottom of the flow park? I think there are some wood structures like drops and skinnies and stuff. I wonder if that area could be resurrected?
Yeah, there's still some remnants over there - which isn't the area I am thinking of. I'm hoping somebody extra-motivated goes over there are brings it back to life as well.

DesuL said:
yes what I have heard may just be gossip bull**** I will admit. But I just dont see why we (freerider group) has to compromise. I could be down there as early as 1030 try and make it by noon no matter what. Hope to see you then...
Sweet, I shall ride the dually after all!:thumb:
 

dirtmover

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Jun 14, 2005
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Not sure why everyone now is getting on Wick. The issues with Wick have been settled. Not trying to be his cheering section but he is not a bad guy. Jim Hendrix comes out all the time and watchs us ride our bikes like mad people and he tells Wick and which he doesn't seem to have any troubles with what we have built. I'm sorry that I sound a little frustrated but since some friends and I where the ones to start doing a lot of the building, this is really water under the bridge.
 

DesuL

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Nov 21, 2005
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sounds like everything is sorted out then :thumbup:

To clarify the length of some post... I met the guy once and he was kinda rude thats all Im saying. not saying I don't drink beer with alot of people I thought were rude the first time I met them.

From some of the things said and thrown around about jumps/trails in the area to those of us not in the full on loop it can be scary things. Noone wants to see the jumps go bye bye.

I can understand someone being concerned who has to pay insurance for events they hold thats obviously a big deal. That being said wouldn't it be easier to re-route the race into other areas and act like it doesnt even exist so if the insurance company ever did get involved then they could kinda wash thier hands of it?? Im really just trying to learn more about the situation.

Im on my way to the trails looks like a good fast day!
 

fuzzycatnuts

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Dec 14, 2005
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Dont have time to figure out how to quote multipule times in one post but here goes, the new jump is going to have a much higher and bigger lip, but I still might take the landing down a bit to make it safer. Yes the Wick aspect I had not heard mentioned in a long time, untell I posted this, I figured since all the people like both Andys and Pip and Travis that seamed to have been invoved in sst for a long time and aproved of my building it was cool to keep building, altough the new jump is the first one I made more my way and less for other people mostly becuse there was nothing really in that spot when I started and slightly inspired by the new big gap on the left of the table.

As for the insurance that must only be for race days, I dont see why they would include things going on that are not part of the race, I am not a insurance salesman tough, I wonder if his premium really goes up becuse of the flow park.

I would be intrested in finding out more on how we can my the flow park more ligitament and keep it from being torn down.

-Kim