Hope m4 or m6?

partsbara · Mar 15, 2006

i ve had 6 pot hopes kev... trust me, i prefer my avid j7s... more power and less hassle... the best hopes IMHO are the old 4 pot mods (not the mono caliper) with the 'pro' lever...

davep · Mar 15, 2006

Kevin said:
Im getting some Hope brakes for the DH bike and I can choose between the m6 and m4.
I was thinking maybee the M6 Ti up front and the M4 in the rear.
Anyone think double M6 Ti would be a better option?
I like to think I ride hard enough that I need stoppage power and I also hear modulation is better on the M6.
Share your thoughts please.
Price is not an issue.

Thanks

I have 6's on my big bike w/ 205mm rotors but before that, I was running 4's with a 220mm front and a 203mm rear(the 4's are now on the little bike with smaller rotors). To be honest, the raw power is very similar between the two, I do find however that the 6's tend to be more consistant at the end of a very long run like Whistler top to bottom ~1000 meter vertical. It is not that the 4's got spongy or that I would boil fluid but rather that they just seemed to loose some of there bite when they got super hot, this is most likely a pad issue. The bonus to the 4's is that there is a larger selection of pads available, and they are easier to find, they are the same as old xt's and gremica's. If you ride somewhere where the DH runs can be 40minutes you might be better off with the 6's but they are both great.

CrabJoe StretchPants · Mar 15, 2006

i dont know if my hopes were defective or what, but i couldnt stand them. i had an M6 203mm front/ M4 180mm rear, and i had nothing but bad luck with them. not alot of power, ate through pads, got very hot, and needed bleeding often. i much prefer my hayes mags just for the pure simplicity and availability of small parts, and they have been much more reliable. in addition, they are nearly half the price.

Brian HCM#1 · Mar 15, 2006

I use M6's which do work well, however M4's will probably do just fine. About people having issues with their Hopes. Most don't know how to work on them and bleed them. That's why all the issues.

Brian HCM#1 · Mar 15, 2006

Kevin said:
I hate working on my bikes/brakes so are the hopes high maintenance?

Nope, just like the majority of the brakes out there. Once set up properly it should be fine for quite a while.

santacruzer87 · Mar 15, 2006

Kevin said:
why are the hopes high maintenance?

because they suck

DHS · Mar 15, 2006

yea, hopes are so easy to bleed, that most people use to other brakes, get confused.

CrabJoe StretchPants · Mar 15, 2006

DHS said:
yea, hopes are so easy to bleed, that most people use to other brakes, get confused.

i found them alot easier to bleed than my mags, thats for sure.

AusRottenVirus · Mar 15, 2006

I rode both the M-4's and M-6's and I hated them both. The lever feels terrible and the modulation wasn't even that good. Go with the Juicy's.

davep · Mar 15, 2006

I have to agree, hopes are to simple to bleed and I think people get confused by this. There is no bleed kit or syringes or anything else needed. Just sqeeze lever, crack bleed screw, close bleed screw, release lever, repeat. This is exactly like a car or any motorcycle.
In four sets of Hopes, I have never any of the issues mentioned above. If you are having power or modulation issues, try a different pad (the hope metalic pads dont bite that well in my opinion).
I will add that the way the master cylinder works, there is usually a very small amount of air in the resevoir and it is possible to get this into the system IF the bike is upside down for a long period of time or the lever is squeezed with the bike upside down.

santacruzer87 said:
because they suck

More replys proving your (lack of)inteligence.

Again, if you do not know anything about the topic you do not NEED to respond. This is not an SAT test where you lose points if you do not answer.

sayndesyn · Mar 15, 2006

I got a sweet pair of HFX-9's you can buy Kevin. Way more modulation than any crap out of Britain... hahahahahahahhahaha ; )

sayndesyn · Mar 15, 2006

If price was no issue I would look at the Juicy 7 Carbons. Paul had craploads of trouble with his M6's.

sayndesyn · Mar 15, 2006

Life here ain't too bad. A bit damn cold, but it will warm up. Been out on my KTM 250 SXF a few times, got a loaded bike race season at Diablo, Plattekil, Mt Snow, etc coming up. No complaints here. Sure would kill for a decent German or Belgian beer though.. Another thing that pisses me off is every damn girl I meet here has 3 kids or some ****. Just ranting... The Juicy's are friggin awesome. coming from the Mag's I noticed that I stopped getting arm pump because they brake so well with one finger. Pads are cheaper than the Hope's and there is less play in the lever which I like. For some reason I thought you already had Juicy's on your V-10?

sayndesyn · Mar 15, 2006

Just noticed something bloody weird. Look at your join date and the number of posts you have made compared to mine. Must be the sign of the apocolypse...

keeping_it_real · Mar 16, 2006

All of my Hope brakes have been great over the years, never had issue's with any of them.

Currently running Mono4's with braided hope lines on 200mm front and 180mm rear floating rotors on my 47lb DH bike.

The bikes been used in the French Alps in summer to deepest dark wales in winter. Never let me down once. Simple to bleed (only required when changing lines or initial fitment) I use a 'one man bleed kit' for cars, allthough the traditional method of bleeding brakes works fine. The pads last ages even in an English winter.
Made by true craftsmen (ex Rolls Royce engine builders).

kidwoo · Mar 16, 2006

Every juicy I've ever ridden felt stronger than every hope I've ever ridden. In the spectrum of popular brands I put hope (and/or hfx 9s) at the bottom and avids at the top in terms of power.

partsbara · Mar 16, 2006

sayndesyn said:
Just noticed something bloody weird. Look at your join date and the number of posts you have made compared to mine. Must be the sign of the apocolypse...

you are both going to die...

... movers picked up all the shiat sammy

stoked...

brian hcm is right... most people who complain about hopes don t know how to work on the properly, or set them up correctly... i am not in that club... i ve had hopes for 8 years and i know them like the back of my hand...

and yeah, my m6s gave me more than a few headaches out in les gets / morzine last year... still stand by the dh04 / e4 / m4 (not the mono) as the best hopes EVER...

stick with the J7s kev

GERMANY FOR THE HERMANS...

oh yeah... sam, i shippin 12 cases of german piss on monday

.. win lose draw...

sayndesyn · Mar 16, 2006

hmmm beer. Paying 3 bucks a bottle of the real german piss here in the states. Not cheap. Just shipped out my Stab Supreme frame this morning. My Sunday factory frame ships out next thursday. ended up going for the white. Bloody cold here. Pissing me off.

partsbara · Mar 16, 2006

sayndesyn said:
hmmm beer. Paying 3 bucks a bottle of the real german piss here in the states. Not cheap. Just shipped out my Stab Supreme frame this morning. My Sunday factory frame ships out next thursday. ended up going for the white. Bloody cold here. Pissing me off.

do ok outta the stab ???

head out to CA biatch... booze and DH... bad combo

... northstar season tix are about 300... i m there..

edit - 17" sunday ??

sayndesyn · Mar 16, 2006

yeah the 17" sunday. Sold the frame for a fair price. No one got rich, but it's a Kona and they aren't exactly the M3's all the preppy ass weekend warrior bastards want.

partsbara · Mar 16, 2006

sayndesyn said:
yeah the 17" sunday. Sold the frame for a fair price. No one got rich, but it's a Kona and they aren't exactly the M3's all the preppy ass weekend warrior bastards want.

my jeans cost 220 bucks...

sayndesyn · Mar 16, 2006

I stole my jeans off a whino that had pissed them in the park. He'll never no... I think we are setting records for number of threads completely derailed

partsbara · Mar 16, 2006

sayndesyn said:
I stole my jeans off a whino that had pissed them in the park. He'll never no... I think we are setting records for number of threads completely derailed

raise hell.. go to the lounge and make zero friends like me... some mod bastard in there actually changed a thread i started a couple of weeks ago...

'edward 40 hands' to 'mmmmmmmm'

internet nazis...

sayndesyn · Mar 16, 2006

It's a free country to censor. Conformity through uniformity. Shut up, get in line, and take the blue pill.

partsbara · Mar 16, 2006

sayndesyn said:
It's a free country to censor. Conformity through uniformity. Shut up, get in line, and take the blue pill.

can i get a mandatory flu shot with that ??

sayndesyn · Mar 16, 2006

****ing bollocks. If anyone is going to stick a needle in my arm it's gonna be me damnit!!!!! I didn't just say that.

partsbara · Mar 16, 2006

kev, PM lefty and see what he has to say :rofl:

Mani_UT · Mar 16, 2006

I used to have hayes mag 8" front and rear and was really happy with them.
On my Hope I have enough power to get away with a 7" on the rear. I have great modulation. I ran them for 2 seasons now with no problems whatsoever (note that I use XT replacement pads though.)
Certainly not going back to Hayes!!

RD3 · Mar 17, 2006

Either M4 or M6 should be fine. I run both and like them. I would replace the stock hope pads with Kool-Stop pads, they seem make a nice improvement. I also run dangerboy levers, stiff and make it easier to one finger brake. I have upgraded to Redraven rotors, they seem to bite into the pads a little better. Once the pads and rotors are burned in (usually a couple dh runs), it should make for a powerful system. One hint for burning them in is to ride down a hill or just ride with the brakes on, get the rotors hot, then mist them with cold water from a spray bottle, do this a few times, should make them grab really nice.

Hope m4 or m6?

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