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US National Championships at Infineon Raceway!?

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Zutroy said:
Did he say why the sonoma race was the choice verses the PC race, since it's only one wekend difference and it's the same promoter basically?
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Actually, as Todd pointed out I think that you can only hold nationals in a 2 week window or so according to the UCI. I had forgotten about that. But it isn't like the event isn't going on anyways...just seems like a stupid idea to hold what should be your premiere at a craptastic location due to timing. It isn't like they PLANNED on mammoth getting 900 feet of snow. Unforseen circumstances change things. If a huge ass hurricane hit Australia that week, you can bet your ass they would let them move it outside of the window.
 
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Screw the UCI "window", if you are bidding on world cup status you likely wouldn't be wasting time with Norba anyways.
 
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Secret Squirrel said:
*cough* deer valley *cough*....it's the weekend before the deadline...why didn't anyone consider this option??...oh forget it...
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The UCI basically says Jul 15/16 or Jul 22/23 and that's it.

-ska todd
 
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offtheedge said:
Screw the UCI "window", if you are bidding on world cup status you likely wouldn't be wasting time with Norba anyways.
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Because National Championships qualify you for World Championships, which is what everyone who is serious in this sport strives to go to.
 
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ska todd said:
The UCI basically says Jul 15/16 or Jul 22/23 and that's it.

-ska todd
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then what was the coversation about the 16th being the deadline....usually "deadline"(per phone convo post a little bit ago...) indicates "outside time limit", "can't go past this date", etc....

But whatever...this blowz. I'm out....Go Canadia...
 
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I guess the idea of having Snowmass host has been brought to the attention of the powers that be. Support the MTN States Cup, these guys are working to make changes for the better and host great events
 
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Because National Championships qualify you for World Championships, which is what everyone who is serious in this sport strives to go to.
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Understood, but that accounts for what, maybe 5% of the people in this country/sport racing. And of that 5% how many are privateers who couldn't go if they did qualify? I can sympothize with the world level competitor here in the states, but if getting a bid to the worlds is first and foremost in your season then this forum is a mute point as you will abide by the UCI rules.
My point before was, if you are a competitor on the world cup level you arent likely hinging on a Norba national to get there.
 
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offtheedge said:
Understood, but that accounts for what, maybe 5% of the people in this country/sport racing. And of that 5% how many are privateers who couldn't go if they did qualify? I can sympothize with the world level competitor here in the states, but if getting a bid to the worlds is first and foremost in your season then this forum is a mute point as you will abide by the UCI rules.
My point before was, if you are a competitor on the world cup level you arent likely hinging on a Norba national to get there.
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The us routinely sends non world cup racers to worlds. It is also how Juniors needs to qualify as well. The entire race system is setup for serious racers. Why even care about a national championship if you are not a serious racer? So it only makes sense to follow the international organizing body's guidelines for things like this. What gets me is how selective the USA is in following them.
 
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I guess that's where my expectations fall short as I would love to podium in a national championship on a tough coarse sanctioned or not.
I know I wouldn't compete on a world level and am almost positive (with the exception of a winning lotto ticket) I wouldn't be making it to the world cup if I could.
Having a joke of a national championship/series won't help anyone on the world cup level even if it gets you there.
 
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Threepointtwo said:
In other news, the world land speed championships have been moved from the Bonneville Salt Flats to a Costa Rican jungle and the freeskiing championships have been moved from Valdez to Palm Springs.
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:rofl:
 
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I believe it is actually in the UCI handbook as well. There is a race planning section for the different types of events.
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There are also rules in the UCI handbook about what constitutes a proper DH race track but apparently that section was ignored for Infineon...

-ska todd
 
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This does pose an interesting question; if an XC oriented rider was to race and win the DH at Infineon, would said rider be named to the Worlds team roster as a downhill competitor and would said rider attempt to race and qualify at Worlds.

-ska todd
 
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ska todd said:
This does pose an interesting question; if an XC oriented rider was to race and win the DH at Infineon, would said rider be named to the Worlds team roster as a downhill competitor and would said rider attempt to race and qualify at Worlds.

-ska todd
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Now that would be funny.
 
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ska todd said:
This does pose an interesting question; if an XC oriented rider was to race and win the DH at Infineon, would said rider be named to the Worlds team roster as a downhill competitor and would said rider attempt to race and qualify at Worlds.

-ska todd
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Generally the top level riders are fit enough to pedal a DH bike pretty well.

Still though infineon is a joke.
 
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as much as i support having snowmass as the DH national championships and infineon made me flip my lid when i found out it was the choice and currently i see no other option. one issue with this is the fact that the factory teams that follow norba that have both XC and DH racers. where does the team support go?
 
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When I first read this thread about the national finals @ infineon raceway, i thought it was a joke. Even funnier to find out that it isn't a joke.

glad i'm not a racer... i feel sorry for you norba riders.
 
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ska todd said:
This does pose an interesting question; if an XC oriented rider was to race and win the DH at Infineon, would said rider be named to the Worlds team roster as a downhill competitor and would said rider attempt to race and qualify at Worlds.

-ska todd
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Someone hasn't ridden the course... it's not like Sea Otter at all. There's a sprint at the beginning like all DH courses and the rest is downhill from there. There's very little pedaling. The problems with the course is that it's gentle singletrack all the way down, not that there's a lot of pedaling. No XC racer can win this.
 
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WE are talking for no reason. everyone knows what we think and nothing we say is going to matter and nothing will change so just ride it. If not ride something else...Or turn pro and race world cups.
 
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Threepointtwo said:
I just got a call from Justin Rogers, the National Events Director at USA Cycling and here's what he had to say.

The UCI has designated that for a National Championship to be recognized, it must be run by a particular date. I the past, NORBA has largely ignored this rule but they will not get away with it this year. The proper date is July 16th but NORBA received a waiver to run the race on the following weekend (the Mammoth date). When Mammoth fell through, the called every other possible venue but no other venue could take the race on this date. Moving the DH championships to Deer Valley would mean that the UCI would not recognize the US national champion.

Any suggestions? Also, the flaming emails are not really helping - except they may make you feel better.
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i call BS on that, the national championships are different from other UCI events, in the sense that each national federation runs them, there is no UCI comissaire involved at all.

i have personally talked to the UCI about this on behalf of my own national federation, when they were in a bind very similar to norba, no venue to be found, no promoter, etc, so i called the UCI personally and let them know about the date change and they told me no worries, its up to each national federation to see when&where to hold their own national championships.
 
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ska todd said:
The UCI only allows one legit cycling governing body for ALL cycling disciplines per country and this is the one we're stuck with.
-ska todd
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todd that is not the case, the argentinian mountain bikers managed to break their sport free from the national cycling federation not long ago, and started their own, UCI-approved federation (FACIMO). This is also the case with the chilean BMX federation (FCBX), UCI-approved and separate from the national cycling federation.

just a heads up...
 
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