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Interesting article in Bicycle Retailer about Manitou

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TheMontashu

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ghettogt76 said:
You are retarded. How bout we make a thread on how you suck dick?

Anyway, just since you own a 40 doesn't make it the best. Sorry.
Last time I checked your 888RCX (its brand new if I'm not mistaken) feels like CRAP.
 

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I am still laughing from when the kadvang sent my sig to me on AIM.

Anyway, yes, my 888 feels like crap. After seeing your super T and this, I'd have to say that some zokis have bad quality control (ie metal shavings in oil). However, I never said they were the best fork on the market. Once I change the oil it should feel fine, especially good for the price compared to a 40RC2.

You forgot to mention that your 40 is leaking. Based on the way you ride, that is pretty sad. But it's still hands down the best fork on the market. Retard.
 

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bballe336 said:
IMO, yes.

By the way your changing oil isn't a full rebuild.
So by your standards fox doesn't make ANY XC race forks, even though alot of pros run them.

And I would rather not change my oil every month I would spend almost 100$ a year on fork oil and countless time doing it, No Thans!!!

And IMO I thought I was dumb but DAMN
 

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ghettogt76 said:
I am still laughing from when the kadvang sent my sig to me on AIM.

Anyway, yes, my 888 feels like crap. After seeing your super T and this, I'd have to say that some zokis have bad quality control (ie metal shavings in oil). However, I never said they were the best fork on the market. Once I change the oil it should feel fine, especially good for the price compared to a 40RC2.

You forgot to mention that your 40 is leaking. Based on the way you ride, that is pretty sad. But it's still hands down the best fork on the market. Retard.
That leaking stoped and was on the spring side of the fork, so that was actualy used for greese on the spring. The 40 has a sealed damper and only untill it starts to feel wierd is somethign wrong with it.
 

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TheMontashu said:
The foxs and zokes are pretty stiff for XC forks. And the 40 is pretty much mantenence free. The travis has NOTHING to offer, I belive that this thread is all about how manitous suck dick. The WC is an air fork, the 40 is better in that its a coil (in my opinion) and you dosnt have to work on them after every ride. The 40 is also plusher and lighter than the 888


What !!! have you ever ridden a Travis, our team just switched from Fox 40s over to the Travis and we are very pleased with them as we were with the Fox 40......... they both work really well.
 

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TheMontashu said:
The foxs and zokes are pretty stiff for XC forks. And the 40 is pretty much mantenence free. The travis has NOTHING to offer, I belive that this thread is all about how manitous suck dick. The WC is an air fork, the 40 is better in that its a coil (in my opinion) and you dosnt have to work on them after every ride. The 40 is also plusher and lighter than the 888
Marz makes crap in the XC market. They stopped making decent XC forks about 3 years ago. Granted, they work, but they're heavier than everything else, and not any stiffer/plusher. Fox is overpriced, and their Float/FRLT/F100x stuff is no stiffer/lighter/more reliable than the RS Reba line, as well as the same going for the 36 and the Pike. Fox was awesome 2-3 years ago-not so much anymore, Rockshox has caught up. I can't say much about the 40, but on paper and from other riders' opinions (You know, the ones who DON'T claim to have a 35lb V10), it seems to be on par with the Boxxers and 888s, which can be had for far cheaper.


I'm no RS fanboy (Hell, I don't even own any RS forks anymore...I have a Fox and a Manitou), but they've stepped it up incredibly in the past couple years with Motion Control, and the newer forks they have come out with (Reba, Pike, new Boxxer, Revelation). To say that "if they produce the SID, they suck" is horse ****. Since when was the SID supposed to be a "good" fork? If you weigh 120 lbs or want a lightass fork, you're set, but I don't think the SID has ever been marketed as an awesome-killer-the-dhers-will-love fork.
 

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blue said:
Marz makes crap in the XC market. They stopped making decent XC forks about 3 years ago. Granted, they work, but they're heavier than everything else, and not any stiffer/plusher. Fox is overpriced, and their Float/FRLT/F100x stuff is no stiffer/lighter/more reliable than the RS Reba line, as well as the same going for the 36 and the Pike. Fox was awesome 2-3 years ago-not so much anymore, Rockshox has caught up. I can't say much about the 40, but on paper and from other riders' opinions (You know, the ones who DON'T claim to have a 35lb V10), it seems to be on par with the Boxxers and 888s, which can be had for far cheaper.


I'm no RS fanboy (Hell, I don't even own any RS forks anymore...I have a Fox and a Manitou), but they've stepped it up incredibly in the past couple years with Motion Control, and the newer forks they have come out with (Reba, Pike, new Boxxer, Revelation). To say that "if they produce the SID, they suck" is horse ****. Since when was the SID supposed to be a "good" fork? If you weigh 120 lbs or want a lightass fork, you're set, but I don't think the SID has ever been marketed as an awesome-killer-the-dhers-will-love fork.
If you are calling me a lair about my 36 pound V10 you are mistaken, more than one person on this site has picked the thing up after have had not beliving me on here and now do.

As for fox getting worse if anything they are getting better, the have steped it up with the DH stuff, a new talas system for this year, the trail tune stuff, the 36 line the Dhx line along with the DHX air the list goes on and on
 

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Transcend said:
Really? According to fox and anyone who knows what the hell they are doing, you do.
Sorry transcend i forgot you are gods gift to the bike industry, but what does the pro factory fox rider I work with know, sorry to cross the jesus of the bike world.

Now get your nose out of your corn hole and stop being such a tool.
 

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TheMontashu said:
Sorry transcend i forgot you are gods gift to the bike industry, but what does the pro factory fox rider I work with know, sorry to cross the jesus of the bike world.

Now get your nose out of your corn hole and stop being such a tool.
I guess i only worked as a fox tech because I can make these things up as I go. I have no idea what I am talking about when it comes to servicing their equipment. I also, apparently, cannot read the manual that says clearly what you are supposed to do maintenance wise. (Page 14, 15, 16 in the manual, in case you are interested.)

You are about the biggest moron on the board, please shutup until you know what the hell you are talking about or you grow up a little. Stop making ridiculous claims with absolutely nothing to back them up. This goes double when there is readily available information from the manufacturer proving you wrong.

You attempt to cock up every thread you post in with misinformation, just stop already.
 

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Transcend said:
I guess i only worked as a fox tech because I can make these things up as I go. I have no idea what I am talking about when it comes to servicing their equipment. I also, apparently, cannot read the manual that says clearly what you are supposed to do maintenance wise. (Page 14, 15, 16 in the manual, in case you are interested.)

You are about the biggest moron on the board, please shutup until you know what the hell you are talking about or you grow up a little. Stop making ridiculous claims with absolutely nothing to back them up. This goes double when there is readily available information from the manufacturer proving you wrong.

You attempt to cock up every thread you post in with misinformation, just stop already.
Trancend come on over and show me how to maintain a sealed damper and I will gladley do it as needed.

Edit: Last I checked fox has to do it....
 

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1 - There is oil in the fork that is not in the damper. It needs to be changed regularly. The seals and dust wipers also need to be maintained and changed regularly.

2 - I rebuilt my entire damper as well as DHX 5 rear shock the other day, it isn't as hard as you think. Yes, it can quite easily get contaminated. No, I don't advise you rebuild it yourself.
 

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TheMontashu said:
Trancend come on over and show me how to maintain a sealed damper and I will gladley do it as needed.

Edit: Last I checked fox has to do it....
btw, you know transcend used to work for fox...
 

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Transcend said:
1 - There is oil in the fork that is not in the damper. It needs to be changed regularly. The seals and dust wipers also need to be maintained and changed regularly.

2 - I rebuilt my entire damper as well as DHX 5 rear shock the other day, it isn't as hard as you think. Yes, it can quite easily get contaminated. No, I don't advise you rebuild it yourself.
I am not debating you that the fork is totaly maintenence free, the point I am making is that it does not require a rebuild every other ride like some one said the boxxer does.


O and I would never try and pull apart a rear shock or a sealed part of the fork. If fox says don't do it I will not do it.
 

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I'd agree with that 100%.

Take the TPC+ forks. Good damping, good action, just refine the chassis, make them more durable, and you'd have some serious competition suspension-wise.

Instead of doing that, manitou got caught up in SPV and then trying to "fix" SPV for 3+ years straight. And there's no mystery as to why they've had to do this, because the SPV stuff can't compete performance wise to what the other companies have. They can make them dive less and resist bobbing, but the bottom line is that the performance goes down, and so they've had to "fix" the damping system, and the sad thing was that TPC+ was a pretty darn good damping system.
JM hit it on the head.

IMO they went the wrong way with the dorado, and its been downhill since (excuse the pun). The top of the line xvert carbon was a sweet ass fork, carbon lowers, light but a little flexi with 30mm legs.

Instead of beefing up the legs to say 35mm they went upside down 30mm to stop the legs shearing off (refer to sprung 5), but it increased the weight (dorados were 8.5 lbs) and the thing was a noodle.

The sherman was ok but never came in 7inch TPC model, only 6inch TPC and 7 inch SPV :mumble:

The travis chassis is what they should have done agos ago, with TPC+ damping system, stuff all this spv crap.

Hopefully they will get back on track. Manitou used to make nice stuff, the internals of dorados are really nice and leaves marzocchi way behind in the quality stakes, marzocchi have the most rough as guts internals around, nothing is hard anodised and just flakes into your oil.
 

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Cave Dweller said:
JM hit it on the head.

IMO they went the wrong way with the dorado, and its been downhill since (excuse the pun). The top of the line xvert carbon was a sweet ass fork, carbon lowers, light but a little flexi with 30mm legs.

Instead of beefing up the legs to say 35mm they went upside down 30mm to stop the legs shearing off (refer to sprung 5), but it increased the weight (dorados were 8.5 lbs) and the thing was a noodle.

The sherman was ok but never came in 7inch TPC model, only 6inch TPC and 7 inch SPV :mumble:

The travis chassis is what they should have done agos ago, with TPC+ damping system, stuff all this spv crap.

Hopefully they will get back on track. Manitou used to make nice stuff, the internals of dorados are really nice and leaves marzocchi way behind in the quality stakes, marzocchi have the most rough as guts internals around, nothing is hard anodised and just flakes into your oil.
Exactly. The old xvert carbons were amazing. I rode a pro issue one for 3 months when i moved to Colorado that was borrowed from Tattoo Lou. It was probably the best feeling fork I have ever felt, only that even at 140lbs, i could flex the hell out of it.

The travis is the evolution of this fork, and is an amazing piece of work judging from the ones I have tried.
 

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Cave Dweller said:
Instead of beefing up the legs to say 35mm they went upside down 30mm to stop the legs shearing off (refer to sprung 5), but it increased the weight (dorados were 8.5 lbs) and the thing was a noodle.
Lies! My Dorado isn't torsionally flexy at all! :p

I like it a lot. But I never rode an X-Vert, so I don't have room to talk.
 

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Cave Dweller said:
Manitou used to make nice stuff, the internals of dorados are really nice and leaves marzocchi way behind in the quality stakes, marzocchi have the most rough as guts internals around, nothing is hard anodised and just flakes into your oil.
Not anymore, the new RC2 internals are actually keeping the oil pretty darn clean, I'm impressed. Usually after only a few weeks it turned grey and stank like things I shouldn't mention on a public website. With the TST and RC2 stuff, that isn't really much of an issue anymore.

On the other hand, TPC has an advantage in terms of piston size, and that advantage can give superior performance when tuned correctly. Just like fox products usually have a fairly large piston, the ones on the TPC forks were even bigger. TPC is nothing super special, it's just a version of a shimmed damper that has rebound and compression pistons co-located in the same leg. It's not like it's an idea that is far better than what anyone else is using, but by the same token, it allows performance at least equal to whatever the other companies are using, what with marzocchi and RC2, fox and their cartridges, RS and their...err...piston in the bottom of the fork...like TPC... With the bigger piston and options for the floating piston and tuning (re-arranging shims), it has/had lots of promise.
 

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Cave Dweller said:
The sherman was ok but never came in 7inch TPC model, only 6inch TPC and 7 inch SPV :mumble:

The travis chassis is what they should have done agos ago, with TPC+ damping system, stuff all this spv crap.
I actually had one of those, a custom 7" Breakout with TPC+ samping. It was effing awsome. But Manitou told me they wouldn't be able to sell them if they made them. It seems that we as mountain bikers tend to bitch a LOT. We only want to buy something if it's new and different, and no one else makes anything like it. Then when they rush it to market to silence our whines, we cream our pants, ride for 3 months and start whining again. The cycle never ends.

All this talk about RS is silly too, Blue hit the nail on the head. The SID is an XC race fork, that's all it is. at 135#s I am a chunk heavier than the average XC pro. It was designed for world cup xc races on semi-slick 1.9" tires and lycra, so on a trail ride it is unacceptably flexy, the same way a Monster T is unacceptably heavy for xc riding. You can't compare it to trail forks, it is an xc only race fork and is the best there is for that.

For anybody that pays more than $10 a gallon for fork oil may be interested in some ocean-front property in Wyoming to sell you.

Pro riders usualy don't know sh1t about there gear, they can barley remember when to lube the chain, much less when to change a forks oil. Conversly mechs. that are factory trained in fork service tend to have a good grasp on when forks should be serviced, they may not be that fast tho. but that's what pro racers are for.

Also just because one person has a 888RC2X that doesn't feel great doesn't meen its a hunk of crap fork. What about all those 36s that lost travel, and 40s that cracked?

For the record I own an '04 888, a '04 Z1 and an '05 Float 130 at the moment and the Travis will be my next big fork.

I'm done ranting for the time being.
 

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maxyedor said:
I actually had one of those, a custom 7" Breakout with TPC+ samping. It was effing awsome. But Manitou told me they wouldn't be able to sell them if they made them. It seems that we as mountain bikers tend to bitch a LOT. We only want to buy something if it's new and different, and no one else makes anything like it. Then when they rush it to market to silence our whines, we cream our pants, ride for 3 months and start whining again. The cycle never ends.

All this talk about RS is silly too, Blue hit the nail on the head. The SID is an XC race fork, that's all it is. at 135#s I am a chunk heavier than the average XC pro. It was designed for world cup xc races on semi-slick 1.9" tires and lycra, so on a trail ride it is unacceptably flexy, the same way a Monster T is unacceptably heavy for xc riding. You can't compare it to trail forks, it is an xc only race fork and is the best there is for that.

For anybody that pays more than $10 a gallon for fork oil may be interested in some ocean-front property in Wyoming to sell you.

Pro riders usualy don't know sh1t about there gear, they can barley remember when to lube the chain, much less when to change a forks oil. Conversly mechs. that are factory trained in fork service tend to have a good grasp on when forks should be serviced, they may not be that fast tho. but that's what pro racers are for.

Also just because one person has a 888RC2X that doesn't feel great doesn't meen its a hunk of crap fork. What about all those 36s that lost travel, and 40s that cracked?

For the record I own an '04 888, a '04 Z1 and an '05 Float 130 at the moment and the Travis will be my next big fork.

I'm done ranting for the time being.
The pro guy from fox helps R and D there stuff so I think he knows what he is talking about.

As for the zokey feeling like crap it happend to me, there is nothing wrong with the fork. Zoke does not suck out the metal shavings from the factory causeing them the have realy slow rebound out of the box in some cases, its a quality control issue.

As for the 36s loosing travel I don't know what fox did about that but I know they were on top of the breaking 40s
 

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TheMontashu said:
As for the 36s loosing travel I don't know what fox did about that but I know they were on top of the breaking 40s
You forgot that by "on top of the breaking 40s" they were just selling (as in charging customers for) new lowers, I'm not starting that e-fight again. But you may want to get off your knees and give Fox's corporate junk a quick break. Manitou can be slow sometimes, but they usually warrenty all but the most senslessly abused forks and shocks.
 

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TheMontashu said:
The foxs and zokes are pretty stiff for XC forks. And the 40 is pretty much mantenence free. The travis has NOTHING to offer, I belive that this thread is all about how manitous suck dick. The WC is an air fork, the 40 is better in that its a coil (in my opinion) and you dosnt have to work on them after every ride. The 40 is also plusher and lighter than the 888
you retarted my friend. i have had manitou forks for 6 seasons straight now and had one problem with a tpc cartidge blowing, my own fault for reducing the travel (pre sherman jumper era) i have never felt a better feeling fork than my travis ever. second best was the tpc travis i had last year and then my dorado (just not as stiff as the travis). the travis is the top dh fork on the market. light, user friendly, stiff, a tad on the tall side but that is being worked out, tpc or instrict (which imho is the top shiznat period), looks great, cheap, and doesnt require as much maitnance as other forks. pull your head out of your ass and stop making ludicrous statements as you have been doing all over this website.
 
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