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...and I spent $24,600 for this?

Crashby

Monkey
Jan 26, 2003
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Rochester, NY
My 2nd flip house is finished and goes on the market tomorrow... This one was much more involved than the first and allowed for much more creativity. It also involved the firing of my Realtor, so there was a lot of difficult times to get through many issues as we had a lot of business going on outside of the houses I own.

Long story short, I have a new high volume Realtor and two houses to sell...


Now, on with the show:


Stats:
built:1920
Sq. Ft. 1700
Lot size: 80'x150'
Property cost $24,600
rehab cost (inc. labor and materials): $11,200
related costs (closing, taxes, etc.): $1,600
Total costs to date: $37,400
Estimated sell price: $69,900

Time: Ive had the house for a little over 4 months, but actually spent a total of 8 weeks in the house (right around 350 hours of my personal time). I did about 60% of the work, and hired out the remaining. Props to my close friend Stuntmatty who did an amazing job on the bedrooms and attic and who showed reliability, loyalty and true friendship...

Here are the before and after pics... I tried to keep the exact angle for both pictures where possible.

Exterior - some minor landscaping and tree trimming:


Basement - got rid of all the trash (included a case of Korean war memorabilia, a wedding album and a suitcase of old Playgirl mags :dead: and painted walls and floor:


Attic / Bedroom- got rid of all the trash, painted and carpeted:


Bedrooms - gutted, painted and carpeted / new light fixtures.
Back bedroom:


Small bedroom:


Master bedroom:


Bathroom - gutted, new drywall, new tile, refinished vanity and mirror:


Hallway - new doors and hardware go a long way:


Entrance way - this was a big transformation. There was actually a bathroom right as you walked in the front door. I removed it completely to go back to the original open floor plan. I made a stained glass window and hung a new chandelier. I also used a heavy paint pigmented stain to refinish the stairs:


Dining room - The floor was the big project here... there were 12"x12" sticky tiles on the floor. Once I removed them, I had a thick layer of mastic adhesive. I used a chemical remover and then sanded down the oak floor. I then used the same stain as on the stairs and finished with a satin poly:


Same process for the living room - painted blades and bought new glass for the ceiling fan:


Another huge transformation was the 'great room'. Completely gutted the room, re-drywalled everything and installed new carpeting:


And finally the kitchen - probably my best work to date. I never built a kitchen from scratch before, so I felt a bit 'in over my head', but I was very pleased with the results. Completely gutted the room, saved the cabinets, then drywalled everything. Installed new linoleum, installed a subset of the original cabinetry with new paint and hardware, put up maple crown molding and a new chandelier. Then the big task of building new counter tops from scratch and tiling the surfaces and back splashes. Lastly, I bought a couple of great used appliances.

Hard to believe that the kitchen only cost $1,200 including appliances:


another angle:


I think in a very nice part of town, this house could fetch $200,000+, but since it is really on the outskirts of 'the hood', it's only worth 70k or so... The differences in real estate values in Rochester continue to amaze me.

For this house, I'm really going to keep the house close to the comparable values on the street to sell it quickly.

I'm taking the summer off, and hope to get another house in the fall...
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
10,553
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Exit, CO
That is freaking SWEET! Very nice work! And if you think Rochester prices are kooky... that house right there in the shape you bought it would be a $215,000 house in the worst neighborhood you could find here... whew!
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
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Towing the party line.
Dude, you did GREAT work on this place. I can't believe you go tit for that cheap, even considering th epoor shape it was in. How is it structurally?

I think you'd have a good career in refinishing homes as well, as long as the details are nicely done (looks it, hard to tell tho in the small pics).
 

biggins

Rump Junkie
May 18, 2003
7,173
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wow mang nice work. i dig the bay in the master suite and that you actually did a remodel foir a flip and took consideration in removing uneccessary walls and whatnot to open the house up.most people just throw on some paint and carpet and resell the place.
 

Crashby

Monkey
Jan 26, 2003
947
1
Rochester, NY
dogwonder said:
do you do this for work is it something you do on the side? If you moonlight doing this, quit your day job.
I have a pretty high level position at the company I work for, and I get to be remote about 80% of the time, so I can do 'double duty', doing both my day job, and the house work at the same time.

I'm still going to keep it at the 'hobby' level - and do 2-3 houses per year... (for now)...:sneaky:
 

jdcamb

Tool Time!
Feb 17, 2002
19,839
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Nowhere Man!
Crashby said:
I have a pretty high level position at the company I work for, and I get to be remote about 80% of the time, so I can do 'double duty', doing both my day job, and the house work at the same time.

I'm still going to keep it at the 'hobby' level - and do 2-3 houses per year... (for now)...:sneaky:
Cool sh!t Dave :thumb:

I wish you all the luck in your 'hobby'. Rochester certainly needs a lot more folks like you. Good job. Glad to hear your spreading the wealth to a fellow monkey too....
 

Crashby

Monkey
Jan 26, 2003
947
1
Rochester, NY
Transcend said:
What's your average clear profit after renovations, closing costs etc? If you don't mind me asking that is.
"Total costs to date: $37,400
Estimated sell price: $69,900"

Im planning on another 2k to hold and close - and the final sale price could go down to 65k, so worst case, that would put me in at about $25,500 in profits.

I think 15-20k is pretty easy in this city. I got this one at a very low price, so the profit is a bit higher. Now, in Cali, you try to turn 700k into 1.2 mil... :cool:
 

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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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3
Towing the party line.
Crashby said:
"Total costs to date: $37,400
Estimated sell price: $69,900"

Im planning on another 2k to hold and close - and the final sale price could go down to 65k, so worst case, that would put me in at about $25,500 in profits.

I think 15-20k is pretty easy in this city. I got this one at a very low price, so the profit is a bit higher. Now, in Cali, you try to turn 700k into 1.2 mil... :cool:
Ya i saw the purchase/reno costs. I was just curious what closing, paperwork and all that other nonsense would account for. I thought it'd be much higher than the $2000 you quoted above. I take it purchase price included all the agent fees etc?

$25 000 for 4 months part time is a damn nice profit. Good stuff.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
11,003
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The Cleft of Venus
Awesome work guys!

Oh one minor comment; brass finishes are out. It's very dated now days. This goes for brass hinges, door knobs and light fixtures. Brushed nickle is the thing.
 

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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
Dog Welder said:
how much does it cost to move a house like that to the west coast?
If you strap 2 ladder trucks together and slide them under it and have all the guys hang on like those dudes who move mattresses on the roof of their escorts on the highway, probably not too much!
 

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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
3
Towing the party line.
N8 said:
Awesome work guys!

Oh one minor comment; brass finishes are out. It's very dated now days. This goes for brass hinges, door knobs and light fixtures. Brushed nickle is the thing.
Says the guy who likes stucco and weeping mortar. :rolleyes:
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
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The bunker at parliament
N8 said:
Awesome work guys!

Oh one minor comment; brass finishes are out. It's very dated now days. This goes for brass hinges, door knobs and light fixtures. Brushed nickle is the thing.

I'd add my pet hate, tiled kitchen benches to that list but it's the only fault i could see. the house looks pretty fantastic to me.
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
11,210
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The bunker at parliament
Transcend said:
If you strap 2 ladder trucks together and slide them under it and have all the guys hang on like those dudes who move mattresses on the roof of their escorts on the highway, probably not too much!

They usually just chainsaw the thing in half to fit them on several trucks around here. :)
 

Crashby

Monkey
Jan 26, 2003
947
1
Rochester, NY
N8 said:
Awesome work guys!

Oh one minor comment; brass finishes are out. It's very dated now days. This goes for brass hinges, door knobs and light fixtures. Brushed nickle is the thing.
Ya... I prefer nickle myself... the whole kitchen is brushed nickle... both light fixtures ($38 chandelier, $9 wall sconce) and all the replacement cabinet hardware ($80 from eBay).

Everything else was 'whatever is decent looking and cheap'. With a 100k+ house, Id step it up a notch.

Thats the whole thing with this market, you HAVE to keep your costs down... the best example is the carpeting in this house. Brand new berber from Home Depot: Attic, 3 bedroom, upstairs hallway, entranceway and great room for $650 including pad... (self installation of course ;)
 

ragin-sagin

Monkey
Oct 2, 2003
390
0
NZ
70k?!??! That a bloody bargain! I don't see how anyone could lose on that deal. Unless its on top of an old dump or neighbors a burning tire dump or....
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
7,526
21
Montana
Crashby said:
"Total costs to date: $37,400
Estimated sell price: $69,900"

Im planning on another 2k to hold and close - and the final sale price could go down to 65k, so worst case, that would put me in at about $25,500 in profits.

I think 15-20k is pretty easy in this city. I got this one at a very low price, so the profit is a bit higher. Now, in Cali, you try to turn 700k into 1.2 mil... :cool:

Then you have to pay taxes....... so profit is about $15k????
 

ragin-sagin

Monkey
Oct 2, 2003
390
0
NZ
Oh, and nice work too...I am on the verge of taking on a similar project here in NZ. The cost of goods is shocking though...
 

Crashby

Monkey
Jan 26, 2003
947
1
Rochester, NY
DaveW said:
I'd add my pet hate, tiled kitchen benches to that list but it's the only fault i could see. the house looks pretty fantastic to me.
Again, a cost and time thing... I installed the 1 piece linoleum kitchen floor (16'x9') for $120 complete (plus leveled the floor and new luan for another $40).

For a higher valued house, again, I'd up the ante.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
40,596
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LordOpie said:
previous owners put fake, vinyl tiles over quality oak wood floors?

they need a beating.
No, just their feet removed.
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
11,210
2,733
The bunker at parliament
Crashby said:
Again, a cost and time thing... I installed the 1 piece linoleum kitchen floor (16'x9') for $120 complete (plus leveled the floor and new luan for another $40).

For a higher valued house, again, I'd up the ante.

I have to say your prices over there are pretty damn cheap!

what you havew posted up is around a $70k renovation down here (maybe more). :(
 

Crashby

Monkey
Jan 26, 2003
947
1
Rochester, NY
DaveW said:
I have to say your prices over there are pretty damn cheap!

what you havew posted up is around a $70k renovation down here (maybe more). :(
Much of any work on a house is labor.. I think the ratio is about 3-4 bucks of labor for every $1 in materials. So, if I hired fully insured contractors with new F350 trucks, the rehab would have cost around $35,000... but then a break-even result on the project.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
41,209
13,346
Portland, OR
Man, that looks great! Nice work for sure.

The 'hood in North Portland has been converted into housing for locationaly challenged Californians. Houses are bought for about $50k, renovated, then sold for $300k. There is a group of investors that buy up facing whole blocks, then spend a year renovating all of them, make the city fix the street and sidewalks, then dump them all at once.
 

merrrrjig

Turbo Monkey
Dec 24, 2003
1,726
0
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
Dam! Nice job on the house, it looks way better. Thats pretty cheap for a house! I think that house in the right place in the OC would be about 370k!
 

DroppinaNorco

Monkey
Mar 4, 2004
158
0
Sac Town
that is amazing work. props to you for such a good job. like others have said.. i cant believe how cheap it is. if that house was in my neighborhood it would probably bring about 600 grand.
 

maxyedor

<b>TOOL PRO</b>
Oct 20, 2005
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In the bathroom, fighting a battle
Nice work, but did you really buy the house with all the clothes and sh1t all over the place like that? I've been looking for a new house for a while now, but at that price I may have to move to upstate NY, it would be hard to give up the surf, and the sun, but for that price I could spend most of the year on vacation.
 

blue

boob hater
Jan 24, 2004
10,160
2
california
stevew said:
No, just their feet removed.
Seemed to be a popular thing in the 70s...Back in the early 90s, my parents bought a HUD home in SLC and thats the way the whole place was. Beautiful hardwood underneath craptastic linoleum/other bizarre floor coverings. A good refinishing made it look awesome.
 

neanderthal

Monkey
Mar 1, 2005
215
0
Pittsburgh
Outstanding job on your project!! Victorian houses are really cool. My house is 125 years old an I can appreciate what you went through with your renovation. Working with floors that are not level, walls that are not plumb and corners that are not square always present a challenge because you really have to establish your own point of reference as a starting point.