Am I being too fussy?!

Red Bull · Oct 1, 2006

It actually sounds like you want a Turner DHR. Allthough for 07 its a bigger bb and rear end.

aggrorider · Oct 1, 2006

Demo 7 maybe?? Has everything you're looking for except the 12mmx135mm hub spacing. The '07 VP Free will have a 1.5" HT next year, but that does have a 150mm rear spacing.

SXtrailrider · Oct 1, 2006

look at maybe the Giant, they are coming out with a FR version 8" but they also have thier race bike at 8.8" of travel, great geo and price.

Transcend · Oct 1, 2006

Turner would be good as mentioned, large Orange 224 would also work. In that vein, a Morewood would also work probably (not sure on their sizing though). Possibly one of the Giant reign/glory series bikes as well. The 2 last ones do not offer 1.5" head tubes as far as I know.

I believe all of these bikes will be a 150mm rear end at this point however - as all DH bikes have pretty much shifted to this.

The orange runs a regular BB and NOT an 83mm. It has the option of a front derrailleur for trail riding and a 1.5" heat tube (or not). Very much a finesse bike, 8/5" travel etc but IS a single pivot (as is the morewood).

Your needs seem like they will be pretty hard to fill, you'll have to choose a few that are most important to you.

Fury · Oct 1, 2006

big-ted said:
7-8.5" travel
12*135mm back end*
low weight placement
Good product support
Not a straight forward single-pivot arrangement
1.5 headtube (ideally)

Change your mind to a 150mm rear end and you've just picked a Turner Highline. As long as you can settle for 'the best product support' and not just 'good product support'

aggrorider · Oct 1, 2006

big-ted said:
Besides, the cost of a trip to the powder-coaters would have to be factored into the equation with the demo!

That's true too. I like the demo 7 II's paint job, but the others are a little out there. The demo does have short chainstays, but that is one of its going features for freeriders. But, the head mechanic and the shop I work at swears by the demo when it comes to aggressive riding. He says they're nibble, low and just plain fun to ride. I plan to get one if my kingfisher sells.

Kntr · Oct 1, 2006

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Bicyclist · Oct 1, 2006

big-ted said:
The demo 7 does indeed seem almost spot-on, but those wheelbase figures seem even longer than my current (large) DHR. Is this length in the toptube? I always thought the demo's had unusualy short chainstays?

Besides, the cost of a trip to the powder-coaters would have to be factored into the equation with the demo!

The length is in the "dead" linkage zone.

ÃX · Oct 1, 2006

none of these bikes will last you more than 3 years like the one
you have now. what you are looking for is your last, perfect bike.

Mugger · Oct 1, 2006

Turner DHRS, last forever

I've still got my 02 DHR (thought bought it last year), still going strong.

Get an 07, you know you want to

DHRracer · Oct 1, 2006

I don't know what you feel your current frame is worth.You could allways do a trade in ($600.00)off with your old DHR and Turner will most likley let you keep your shock.I would check on getting a 06"DHR.

bballe336 · Oct 1, 2006

With an 83mm BB you could still use your middleburns. Also the wider BB puts your feet further apart, it gives a little more stability (probably not enough to notice) but there are no major downsides to it either.

Take a look at the new DHR or a Sinister R9. A Giant Faith would suit you well too if you can deal with having an 06.

Bicyclist · Oct 1, 2006

Q-factor is increased with a wider BB and it's easier to hit pedals. But it's worth it, you feel more planted on the bike.

Zoso · Oct 1, 2006

I second the vote for a Turner Highline. 150 rear wheels are nice mainly for wheelbuilders, because you can use the same length spoke on both sides. They look beefy too. Its not a bad thing.

But the one bike that appears to suit ALL of your desired traits is the PDC eighttwofive. Check it out - http://www.pdcracing.com/eight2five.php

1.5 headtube, 135 drops w/12mm option, Karpiel-style vpp-ish linkage, snappy geometry.

The other bike I would consider is the Intense Uzzi VPX. It has many of the traits you seek (135 rear option, etc), however its weight doesn't sit as low as a bike like the PDC.

spacemanspiff06 · Oct 1, 2006

Kanter said:
Knolly

Bingo!
http://www.knollybikes.com/frames/vtach/index.aspx
take a look and i promise you will not be disapionted.

banchee man · Oct 1, 2006

now i love the R9 i've got one but if your large DHR is fine for you than a sninister will feel huge, however the frame is awsome and you can't get better costomer suport than frank.
also the head tube is not 1.5

hungryleprican · Oct 1, 2006

I would think a sunday would fit you

blue · Oct 1, 2006

hungryleprican said:
I would think a sunday would fit you

hungryleprican · Oct 1, 2006

blue said:

what?

dcamp29 · Oct 2, 2006

1.5 HT, and i think it has a 73 bb with a 135 rear end *i think*

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/030.000.000/030.000.006.asp?model=11488

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Transcend · Oct 2, 2006

hungryleprican said:
what?

Maybe because it fits NONE of his criteria? :ban:

Bicyclist · Oct 2, 2006

Well, it does have a 1.5" HT.

blue · Oct 2, 2006

Bicyclist said:
Well, it does have a 1.5" HT.

So does being seven pounds of anaconda meat in the pants.

Bicyclist · Oct 2, 2006

The Jan? Is that you?

hungryleprican · Oct 2, 2006

Transcend said:
Maybe because it fits NONE of his criteria?

big-ted said:
I've been in this game a while, and don't buy into much of the marketing hype and general BS that companies and individuals distribute. Desirable characteristics:

7-8.5" travel
12*135mm back end*
low weight placement
Good product support
Not a straight forward single-pivot arrangement
1.5 headtube (ideally)

is that not enough?

SXtrailrider · Oct 2, 2006

its a turner DHR thats for sure, check it, you will love it and everyone will love you just so they can get a ride on it

Udi · Oct 2, 2006

big-ted said:
7-8.5" travel
12*135mm back end*
low weight placement
Good product support
Not a straight forward single-pivot arrangement
1.5 headtube (ideally)

PDC 825. Zoso said it, but i'll say it again to rub in how well it fits your requirements.

8.25" travel, 135x12 rearend, low BB (~13.8" with 06 boxxer) and very low shock mounting, 1.5" headtube, and for a strong package (no one has broken one yet), it is surprisingly light too at 10.7lbs frame+shock.

And when he said snappy geometry he meant it. To go with the low BB, you get ~16.8" chainstays and a 66* head angle, plus a nice low standover height.

Check it out, I don't think there is a better frame for your requirements (which coincidentally fit it like a glove..)

jasonw111 · Oct 2, 2006

intense uzzi vpx, meets all your reguirments

basikbiker · Oct 2, 2006

check out the versus trigger. it fits most those criteria

dante · Oct 2, 2006

so wait, you just moved to vancouver and you're asking for bike buying advice on the internet? just go out, hit the trails, try as many peoples bikes as you can find, and see which fits you best. all bikes are going to ride differently, and the only real way to see which is going to suit your needs is to go out and actually try them out.

stoney · Oct 2, 2006

Just going to throw it out there, but BCD can custom build you a bike that meets most of your criteria. It will be a single pivot, but given current shock technology, you can tune most of the negative traits out.
Give him a look.

offtheedge · Oct 2, 2006

intense has a couple bikes to fill your needs.

jon-boy · Oct 2, 2006

If you're going to do a lot of riding on the shore get something that works well there first with a consideration to Whistler/race style riding second, if that is your order of priorities.
I rode an M1 on the shore for a while and although it can be done, on some trails it's a struggle. I now have a IH 7Point and it's great for BC riding. It has a front mech so I can pedal up, if has a reasonable BB height to clear the roots and allow me to pedal through the rooty stuff, it has a HA that's good on the tech stuff but slack enough to be stable on the faster trails at Whistler.

mandown · Oct 2, 2006

i'll go with the PDC vote. no real reaon why other than the fact that i think they look cool and have a good drool factor. my bro is on a Sinister R9 and loves it. that is all.

knollybikes.com · Oct 3, 2006

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We can certainly arrange to get you on a large V-tach frame to try and demo though one of these shops - that way, you can try the frame before you decide to put down some serious cash. We can also put you in touch with any number of current V-tach owners to get their personal opinions on the frame.

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