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So what's THE hot rim these days?

DirtEveryDay

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
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I ain't gonna decide yet. I've got a pair of MTX rims sitting idle in the basement. Gonna throw them on for now, or atleast the rear, and go beat on it some more. Winter's almost hee and then there'll be 4' of White Devil on my trails, with 40mph winds to push it all around. I SHOULD be looking for a ski bike and a windsail...
 
Cave Dweller

Cave Dweller

Monkey
May 6, 2003
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THRILLSEEKA said:
Got my weight off BTI's page. My bad for believing what I read on the internet. Of course...maybe YOUR info is wrong! And If I remember correctly, the Fat Daddys are 1mm narrower(is that a word?) than the 729s. Or maybe it was the DHXs...I'm goin nuts.
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The arrows and 729s are both wide rims, as is the fat daddy if you look at the cut away profile, then you say its lighter then a rim that is 8mm's narrower. Just doesn't add up, and if it is lighter it must be due to lack of eyelets and the rim must be fairly thin.
 
BMXman

BMXman

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Sep 8, 2001
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LOOnatic said:
How in the world are you guys making the MTX last ?
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I really think it's all about the builder...there are a few exceptions out there...but if you get a good builder they can even make so-so parts perform well. Also everyone rides differently so you may be harder on hweels than I am. I tend to go through cranks and pedals...D
 
no skid marks

no skid marks

Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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ACT Australia
The builder can only make a strong wheel,not a strong rim,a rim that dents easy cannot be saved by a good build and a rim that is soft and will warp easily cannot be built as strong as a stronger rim(Mavic). A good wheel build is more improtant than a good rim yes I strongly agree with that,and yes you're right in bringing peoples attention to it if they had no idea,it is a fact though and the rim discussion is still very valid and interesting,could we get some real weights and dimentions(inside rim where tyre goes)done by us guys not the manufacturers. I'll do some soon myself.
 
DirtEveryDay

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
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Pacific North Wet
Cave Dweller said:
The arrows and 729s are both wide rims, as is the fat daddy if you look at the cut away profile, then you say its lighter then a rim that is 8mm's narrower. Just doesn't add up, and if it is lighter it must be due to lack of eyelets and the rim must be fairly thin.
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Dude...my info was WRONG! I was just givin' ya some guff! I was checking grams at 3:00 in the AM the night before... everything made sense! But in defense of the Bombshell, I would say it is DEF a decent rim for the money. Just holding the MTX in one hand and the Fat Daddy in the other, I would feel more secure on the Daddy. It is a thicker walled rim BECAUSE it doesn't have euelets, so actually no weight lost there, and there wasn't a single ding in the bead lip on the Bombshells(but there WAS missing powdercoat, so contact was present), whereas my last set of MTXs looked like a big ring of Bacon after a season of just trail riding. The Bombshells and the MTXs both held their shape very well, no major flat spots and stayed VERY close to true. Due to the design of the Daddy, I also think it would be nearly impossible to pinch flat on them.
I'm going to run the MTXs for a little while, but I think the Bombshells really held their own. I only demand ONE thing of a rim: Withstand utter failure. I am not bothered in the least by flat spots, tweaks, dings or bends when it comes to riding. If a wheel can get put through hell and let me finish out one really good day of riding despite it's condition, it's a good wheel.

And for our "Actual weight" quest, I threw a 26" MTX on my scale and got 1 lb,7oz. Anyone have an unbuilt MTX that they can verify that with? And mine was sans-stickers, incase that matters! Sun-Ringle claims a weight of 640g...
 
SteezyWeezy

SteezyWeezy

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2006
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i've had nothing but good experiences with my MTX's, and i cant eve count how many rims shots ive had running like less that 25 psi, still no dents, microscopic wobble, nothing i cant true. plus, the MTX's are fairly light, in 650-600 range i believe
 
RJM

RJM

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for what its worth, the 823's have been a solid rim for me. Granted I am not a wheel trasher, but they've held up for a solid year now and still solid as ever. I'd second the 721's they look more narrow and lighter as the numbers show. I'm more of a high speed race/rider than a FR dropping hack so I would prefer the 721 over the 729. just my .02.
 
DirtEveryDay

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
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I pretty much love to do/try everything possible on a mountain bike. That leaves me with a lot more to consider than being a single category rider. A LOT more, actually.
 
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davep

Turbo Monkey
Jan 7, 2005
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no skid marks said:
... could we get some real weights and dimentions(inside rim where tyre goes)done by us guys not the manufacturers. I'll do some soon myself.
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OK here is what I have ATM (all averages of 2 rims on a +- 5g scale)


Rim weight inside measure

DT 5.1 495g 20.7mm

721(black) 595g 21.3mm

729(CD) 675g 29.1mm

Hmmm not so easy to read, seems as though the formatting kills multi spacing oh well.
 
Kntr

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Ian Collins said:
yup....there is a reason people call them singleRIDES
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Thats funny that you guys dont like singlewides. I have a buddy that breaks rear wheels often. He goes huge. He use to be here on RM. His name was HOW. If anyone remebers him. He rides for Banshee and has broken a Scream frame every year for the last 3-4 years. He went through an Arrow DHX, Mag30, and a doubletrack in less than a year. He bought an old singlewide (baby blue one) and has been riding it now for about 10 months.... no problems and never trued. He swears its the best wheel he has ever ridden.
 
CrabJoe StretchPants

CrabJoe StretchPants

Reincarnated Crab Walking Head Spinning Bruce Dick
Nov 30, 2003
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Kanter said:
He rides for Banshee and has broken a Scream frame every year for the last 3-4 years.
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that has nothing to do with going huge. i broke my scream twice in 5 months, and went bigger/harder on my DHR for a full season before that broke.


chinese welds = dookie.
 
Kntr

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
7,526
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norco-freerider said:
that has nothing to do with going huge. i broke my scream twice in 5 months, and went bigger/harder on my DHR for a full season before that broke.


chinese welds = dookie.
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You are absolutely right but I also SAID he goes huge. Probably bigger than most here on RM. He also broke Boxxers, bent steal handle bars, and broke numerous other frames.
 
CrabJoe StretchPants

CrabJoe StretchPants

Reincarnated Crab Walking Head Spinning Bruce Dick
Nov 30, 2003
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Kanter said:
You are absolutely right but I also SAID he goes huge. Probably bigger than most here on RM. He also broke Boxxers, bent steal handle bars, and broke numerous other frames.
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no doubt, but i go decently big (upwards of 15-16' drops to near flat landings, and weigh 230lbs) and my DHR lasted longer than the banshee.

i know what you mean though....
 
DirtEveryDay

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
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So who's his builder??
And yeah, my bro jumped his Banshee over 2' snow drift in a hotel parking lot, got kinda blown off the back, bike went up came down and didn't even bounce. snapped the downtube in half, and folded the top tube. Kinda funny...
 
Kntr

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Montana
Different wheel builder every time. The only two parts that have survived mutiple bikes is his rear Avy and rear singlewide rim. :)

One of his Banshees broke at the toptube about 3 inches back from the headtube.
 
DirtEveryDay

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
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Pacific North Wet
haha... dug the old SingleRIDEs(love that!) out from under my shelf for the hell of it. 17 DEFECTS. One rim. The FRONT rim! The rear just had one good failure and it was over. Keep in mind that this was after 4-5 hours of typical urban, and some light, borderline-XC trailriding earlier that day. They were on a yeti AS-X, 2 ply tires with 25-30psi(a little low for urban, IMO). I've had Sun Ditch Witch's last MUCH longer!

The arrow is pic 2, where the rim actually split nearly 360 degrees around the wheel...NOT at the seam. This was built by the same builder I've been doing biz with for years, still do, and he's good. I'm not saying that it couldn't have been a bad build, but I am comfortable that it wasn't. The circles are just of the worst dents/folds that can be seen easily.
And there are soooo many factors that can make the same rim fail under one rider and not the next. Another reason I'm not in a huge rush to jump on the $120 per rim train...yet.
 
Kntr

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
7,526
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Montana
Remember when the singlewide was blue? That is the version my buddy has. I dont think they have made the blue one in 2-3 years. Anyone know?
 
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trialsmasta

Monkey
Oct 19, 2001
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I can't belive that nobody has mention the Alex FD 28. It's like 490 gramsand 28mm wide. It rocks and you can get them mail order for like 40 bucks.
 
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JRogers

talks too much
Mar 19, 2002
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Kanter said:
Thats funny that you guys dont like singlewides. I have a buddy that breaks rear wheels often. He goes huge. He use to be here on RM. His name was HOW. If anyone remebers him. He rides for Banshee and has broken a Scream frame every year for the last 3-4 years. He went through an Arrow DHX, Mag30, and a doubletrack in less than a year. He bought an old singlewide (baby blue one) and has been riding it now for about 10 months.... no problems and never trued. He swears its the best wheel he has ever ridden.
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Yeah, I remember him... Seems like Singlewides are one of those parts that some people have terrible luck with and some are fine with them. I had one of the old blue Singlewides and never really had much of an issue with them. A few dents, but nothing out of the ordinary.

In any case, I think there are better rims than the Singlewides out now. 721s, 729s, 823s, MTXs, Mag30s....just pick one that meets your weight and price requirements and rock it.
 
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