Why less people using Fox 40???
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my friend had a 40 and the rebound cartridge seperated, then after that got fixed , it leaks and dents easy, plus they look like k mart forks IMO
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All of the other fork brands are available through several distributors (competition = better pricing). . Fox does NOT sell through any distributors in the US, only fox direct. I would bet that there are lots of smaller shops that dont carry fox, at least in part, for this reason.
What all this means is that fox is harder to get ahold of and thus they are more expensive. (ever see a current fox fork for less than msrp??)
also, anyone who is affiliated with ANY shop can get a screaming deal on Marz, Manitou and RS. RS even does their employee purchace program thoough QBP. Not so with fox.
All of the other fork brands are available through several distributors (competition = better pricing). . Fox does NOT sell through any distributors in the US, only fox direct. I would bet that there are lots of smaller shops that dont carry fox, at least in part, for this reason.
What all this means is that fox is harder to get ahold of and thus they are more expensive. (ever see a current fox fork for less than msrp??)
also, anyone who is affiliated with ANY shop can get a screaming deal on Marz, Manitou and RS. RS even does their employee purchace program thoough QBP. Not so with fox.
Biggest thing is probably price, as far as I can tell as a non-employee of any way to get a discount 
RS and Marz have the market pretty locked down, plus they always have a year's previous stuff on blowout from many different sites where it's cheap to get a hold of with no real internal changes. I've yet to see a Fox fork on any deals like that....not to knock their products as they are top notch, but for most it's a price point they gotta hit.
RS and Marz have the market pretty locked down, plus they always have a year's previous stuff on blowout from many different sites where it's cheap to get a hold of with no real internal changes. I've yet to see a Fox fork on any deals like that....not to knock their products as they are top notch, but for most it's a price point they gotta hit.
who in the world would want to give up 40mm legs to 32mm?
i would because the fork with 40mm stanchions keeps breaking at the arches, and the legs tend to disentigrate after hard hits. ive seen numerous pictures of trashed 40's, and acctually had an 07 come back to the shop after a week of ridding because his brake arch had snapped. thats why i dont ride a 40 and you cant beat marzocchi's cs.
go boxxer!
I read somewhere teh 40's was WEAKSAUCE.
thanks for stating the obvious for me, but for the sake of this forum they didnt hit trees.
Technology is going to lighter air forks. In a few years they will be going to nitrogen.
You can just put nitrogen in your air forks can't you? I'm going to when /if i get air 888s,I would if I got an air shock also.
I had a choice between the boxxer and the 40, and this is why I picked the boxxer:
*Lighter
*Lower (although not by much)
*More useful adjustments. Floodgate offers compression blowoff tunability.
*More range in LSC (by a lot!). In fact, on every 40 and 36 I have had the pleasure of adjusting the LSC on - the damping change has been entirely insignificant from all the way out to all the way in. Either the thing doesn't work, or ****s out real quick. Not impressive at all.
*User serviceability, this was a big one. It didn't seem like a big deal until I actually got the boxxer though - everything is user-accessible and serviceable from removing/customizing the blackbox speedstack, to changing all damper piston glide-rings and o-rings, and even to the point of having the motion-control damper head removable (endless modding possibilities). On a simpler note, it's also nice that the end user can change the damper oil.
It was a pretty easy decision. On the other hand, the 40 is probably stiffer (though I can't really feel flex in the boxxer, having come off an 888) and i'm told it has a very smooth rebound damper. But i've seen a couple blow now, so all in all i'd still come to the same conclusion.
I'd probably try the new 888SL sooner than the 40 too.
*Lighter
*Lower (although not by much)
*More useful adjustments. Floodgate offers compression blowoff tunability.
*More range in LSC (by a lot!). In fact, on every 40 and 36 I have had the pleasure of adjusting the LSC on - the damping change has been entirely insignificant from all the way out to all the way in. Either the thing doesn't work, or ****s out real quick. Not impressive at all.
*User serviceability, this was a big one. It didn't seem like a big deal until I actually got the boxxer though - everything is user-accessible and serviceable from removing/customizing the blackbox speedstack, to changing all damper piston glide-rings and o-rings, and even to the point of having the motion-control damper head removable (endless modding possibilities). On a simpler note, it's also nice that the end user can change the damper oil.
It was a pretty easy decision. On the other hand, the 40 is probably stiffer (though I can't really feel flex in the boxxer, having come off an 888) and i'm told it has a very smooth rebound damper. But i've seen a couple blow now, so all in all i'd still come to the same conclusion.
I'd probably try the new 888SL sooner than the 40 too.
They're simply too expensive, break too easily (arches, seals and leg wear because of it) and there are lighter equally well performing forks for less. Especially over here in the UK where an RC2 is £1200 ($2250) and a RS 06 WC could be had for £800 ($1500), that makes it a no brainer.
Initially they were only competing against old 888s and Old Boxxers but in 06 everyone raised their game and in 07 I doubt anyone will buy them out of choice.
Initially they were only competing against old 888s and Old Boxxers but in 06 everyone raised their game and in 07 I doubt anyone will buy them out of choice.
i got an '07 40 because i got a screamin' deal, half retail... The thing just feels so smooth, and stiff. I can pick a line and the fork makes sure it happens. With my boxxer i'd be getting tweaked around quite a bit, i'd never realized how much until i rode the 40 and it just tracked perfectly.
Yeah I thought the same thing and started to have doubts in my findings after so many people ranted that the Boxxer felt stiff. 32mm is to small and if Rockshox weren't cleaning up on their old molds(lowers,crowns etc) they'd have gone to larger stanchions by now. easy now Boxxer fans,I will throw egg at your face next year or the one after if they bring out fatter stanchions. Hmmm they have Totem molds now,or maybe they'll leave Boxxers flexxy to get better marketing out of the superior stiffness of the Totem.
everything is user-accessible and serviceable from removing/customizing the blackbox speedstack, to changing all damper piston glide-rings and o-rings, and even to the point of having the motion-control damper head removable (endless modding possibilities). On a simpler note, it's also nice that the end user can change the damper oil.
haha you showoff
what technology are you thinking of?
a pressure vessel and a threaded shrader valve?
Amen.
I would really like to try a boxxer world cup, but based on every other boxer I've had - the 40 smokes it.
I think somebody hit the nail on the previous post. It comes down to user serviceability (at least around here).
Boxxer: Easy to service (you can pretty much do it yourself)
888: We have a service center in town with a quick turn around
Travis: Manitou's reliability is still questionable but at least we have a service center in town.
Fox 40: The last time I heard, it is at least a 2 week turnaround for service.
Boxxer: Easy to service (you can pretty much do it yourself)
888: We have a service center in town with a quick turn around
Travis: Manitou's reliability is still questionable but at least we have a service center in town.
Fox 40: The last time I heard, it is at least a 2 week turnaround for service.
And the new Boxxers smoke the old ones. By a lot. In 05, 40s were the ****e for racing. Now Boxxers feel good too and are lighter.Amen.
I would really like to try a boxxer world cup, but based on every other boxer I've had - the 40 smokes it.
Someone lists the cons of the 07 40 beside the price.
The damn thing rides perfect.
The damn thing rides perfect.
I dunno, I just wouldn't feel safe running 32mm legs on such harsh conditions. Just looking at the legs on Boxxers sends a chill down my spine..... all skinny and weak looking
Well that's enough for me. I'm going to throw away my boxxer.
aaaaahahahahahah! priceless!
Most downhillers are male and too insecure to own a fork with a penis.
Can't beat Fox's race support though
I'd like to run their products just for that reason, but not for full retail.
I'd like to run their products just for that reason, but not for full retail.
smart move to make! throw it away and pick up a real fork like an RST
And all along you guys thought I was just being mean to the older boxxers. :biggrin:
¡Explicame por favor!
I don't know about the 07 but there has been reliability problems with the 40 we have seen at the shop with a lot of wear on the damper rod that compresses into the rest of the damper unit. The cause is the natural movement in the bushings that then translate into slight bending of the damper so the inner rod rubs when compressing. Its not even people who ride a lot or go big. I don't know if there are other people with the same problmes.
I'm sure this crosses the minds of Peat, Rennie andHill quite often. I hated Boxxers until I spent last season on a WC. It is simply the best fork for racing. I have seen broken 40 lowers and broken Boxxer lowers. Nothing is indestructable. If you race hard and crash you are going to break S^&T.
Isn't it early for you to be drinking?
I get to drink early because I don't have to rebuild my fork every week.:biggrin:
Ha, he does not work on his own bike, much less mine.
I'll miss you at Windrock this weekend.
I will tell a 9 year old girl joke in your honor.