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Turbo Monkey
Sep 8, 2001
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That would interesting. Stick a bushing to the top of the stanchion........
well on a boxxer the bushings would be on the end of the
legs that att to the crowns. the OD of those would slide
on the id of the lowers. it wouls take a sleave pressed into
the lower castings, i don't think they are close enough
tolorance. might weight a bit more but would always feel
supa smuuuth.
 

dropmachine

Turbo Monkey
Sep 7, 2001
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Your face.
Its funny, but I've always been told "It doesn't matter if you have a degree, but it matters if you don't"." Amazing how true that really is, and how unfortunate. Half of the peopel I've met with degrees can make 100k a year , yet put them in the forest alone and in 5 minutes they'd probably be dead.

You simply cannot buy, or teach, common sense.
 

shock

Monkey
Feb 20, 2002
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Its funny, but I've always been told "It doesn't matter if you have a degree, but it matters if you don't"." Amazing how true that really is, and how unfortunate. Half of the peopel I've met with degrees can make 100k a year , yet put them in the forest alone and in 5 minutes they'd probably be dead.

You simply cannot buy, or teach, common sense.
the real problem with degrees (especially engineering), is that they teach you that you know everything. It takes some time before you start to realize what you don't know....
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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A cracked 888 is not a broke 888 IMO. The DH40 and Boxxer are broke not cracked. Im still waiting on a BROKE 888 pic.
Hahaha... You know where breaks start, right? They start as cracks. Sometimes they progress rapidly, sometimes they progress slowly. Sometimes people just don't notice them for a while and they turn into major breakage.

A cracked 888 is a broke [SIC] 888. It is a structural failure. If not caught immediately, it will turn into a catastrophic failure. Period.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Sorry, let me rephrase my question for BV.......


I want to see a "catastrophic failure" pic of an 888. :):)



A crack at the axle pinch bolt due to rider torque error is not a broken fork. All the pics of the DH40 and Boxxer are due to riding.
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Sorry, let me rephrase my question for BV.......


I want to see a "catastrophic failure" pic of an 888. :):)



A crack at the axle pinch bolt due to rider torque error is not a broken fork. All the pics of the DH40 and Boxxer are due to riding.
I gotta say, a fork broken in half is usually due to rider error as well. 50/50 a landing on a big jump is rider error as is slamming into a tree, exactly the same thing in my opinion as over torquing a bolt.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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I gotta say, a fork broken in half is most certainly due to rider error as well. 50/50 a landing on a big jump is rider error as is slamming into a tree, exactly the same thing in my opinion as over torquing a bolt.
I cant argue with that.

But a crack in a fork is A LOT different than a fork broke in two. You can land and/or ride way on a cracked fork but your pretty screwed when your fork breaks in two.

No catastrophic failure/broke in pieces, 888s?
 

blue

boob hater
Jan 24, 2004
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I dunno...I'm going to take the miniscule chance my fork will snap in half if I wreck horribly over Marzocchi's recent terrible quality control, bad customer service (admittedly, I've never had to deal with this, just from observation), and funny noises.

I think they've gotten lazy in the past couple years sitting atop their reliability reputation throne of aloofness. Just my two cents.

My next years fork will most likely be a Boxxer Team. Great balance of price, weight, and performance.
 

kona-ryder

Monkey
Jul 18, 2006
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Above you on the podium.
Dude, it is pretty obvious you are either a Marzocchi executive, or are currently riding a 888 and have an ego the size of Texas. Sure, maybe you havent seen as many pics of 888's snapped in two. Personally, I have seen a freind snap his brake arch on his 2004 888rt. I have seen the compressions sleve blow right out of a guys 2005 888rc, and have seen the stantions of a 888 blow right out of the lowers upon rebound. No fork is invincible, so you need to stop saying the 888 is. No fork is going with-stand a nose-case on a 30ft gap, or ghost riding your bike off of a 20x20 foot road gap. Ohh yeah, and here are some examples of not just cracked, but totally demolished 888's. Any fork will break when the strains put agains it are great enough.
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/550474/
 

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kona-ryder

Monkey
Jul 18, 2006
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Above you on the podium.
I dunno...I'm going to take the miniscule chance my fork will snap in half if I wreck horribly over Marzocchi's recent terrible quality control, bad customer service (admittedly, I've never had to deal with this, just from observation), and funny noises.

I think they've gotten lazy in the past couple years sitting atop their reliability reputation throne of aloofness. Just my two cents.

My next years fork will most likely be a Boxxer Team. Great balance of price, weight, and performance.
Word... Everything you just said applies to me too, every damn thing, even down to the Boxxer, except I have had to deal with Marzocchi's bad customer service.
 

davep

Turbo Monkey
Jan 7, 2005
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Hey Kona-ryder..If you are going to go to the trouble of throwing a hissy fit and searching for a pic of a broken 888 to try to prove your childish rant of a point....



atleast find one.



That pic is of a pair of Risse crowns that fell apart. NOTHING made by Marz failed in any way in that pic, smart guy.

Oh yea..since your new fork is soooo superior..did you get it working yet. Seems like in another thread, it stopped working on the first ride.:biggrin:


Just to set the record straight, I am not stoked on any current DH fork offering, and think that they ALL have some significant issues that make them all half-assed in my mind.
I just think it is hillarious how some posters get soo adamant that whatever they just paid way too much for is THE BEST damn it!!
and how dare ANYONE question that..:clue:
 

julian_dh

Monkey
Jan 10, 2005
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A cracked 888 is not a broke 888 IMO. The DH40 and Boxxer are broke not cracked. Im still waiting on a BROKE 888 pic.
a buddy of mine broke a tripple 8 around the leg just below seal you could see the bushing and everything ALL FORKS BREAK.
 

bElliott

Chimp
Sep 5, 2006
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find some broken shermans, i havent seen many but there out there..maybe

not many broken rados either that ive seen
 

shock

Monkey
Feb 20, 2002
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I gotta say, a fork broken in half is usually due to rider error as well. 50/50 a landing on a big jump is rider error as is slamming into a tree, exactly the same thing in my opinion as over torquing a bolt.
Actually, the over torquing a bolt is a mechanical error (even if the rider was the one working on the fork), and the design problem is that the designer did not anticipate the level of rock ape that might be working on the fork.

Leg snapping when landing a jump wrong is rider error, and the design problem is not leaving a large enough factor of safety to accomodate the extra load.

I'm not saying all forks won't break, just trying to make an important point about the types of failures we're seeing in these pics.

If these pics are representative, it would appear that, barring mechanical error, the 888 might survive bad landings better than the boxxer.

I'm not saying this is the case, just judging the available information in this thread.
 

kona-ryder

Monkey
Jul 18, 2006
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Above you on the podium.
Oh yea..since your new fork is soooo superior..did you get it working yet. Seems like in another thread, it stopped working on the first ride.:biggrin:
Actually, I did get it working. I pulled it apart and it turned out that the spring was in upside down, so the cap was on the bottom:bonk: . As I compressed it the cap was shifting. Somebody at Rockshox desserves to be shot!
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Actually, the over torquing a bolt is a mechanical error (even if the rider was the one working on the fork), and the design problem is that the designer did not anticipate the level of rock ape that might be working on the fork.

Leg snapping when landing a jump wrong is rider error, and the design problem is not leaving a large enough factor of safety to accomodate the extra load.

I'm not saying all forks won't break, just trying to make an important point about the types of failures we're seeing in these pics.

If these pics are representative, it would appear that, barring mechanical error, the 888 might survive bad landings better than the boxxer.

I'm not saying this is the case, just judging the available information in this thread.



EXACTLY my point. I really dont care which is better. They are all great forks. Just from my observation the 888 has less chance of having a catastrophic failure (braking in two pieces). The rider gets to ride away.




Just to set the record straight. Reread my posts. No where did I say the 888 was the greatest fork, no where did I say they are bomb proof, no where did I say anything even close to this. All I asked for was a pic of a broken 888. Finally one pic is posted with a broken arch. I was just trying to point out that you just dont see it that often. Im am willing to bet there are a lot more 888s sold than DH40s and Boxxers. So why is it that there are so many more pics of the DH40 and Boxxer in pieces.

I dont even ride an 888. Im not trying to justify a purchase. Yes, I am a Zoke fan and yes I have owned 888s in the past.

There is a reason you dont see as many broken 888 pics. It just doesn't happen as often. Thats it. No arguing about which fork is the best. Im just stating an opinion.


The percent of 888s sold vs broken 888 is a lot less than the percent of DH40s or Boxxers sold vs broken Dh40s or Boxxers.
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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Hey Kona-ryder..If you are going to go to the trouble of throwing a hissy fit and searching for a pic of a broken 888 to try to prove your childish rant of a point....
Actually, I think he made his point quite well, or did you miss the attached photo with the broken arch?

He is absolutely right. Kanter is absurd for being so adamant about finding broken 888 pictures. I was poking around looking for them, but I saw a picture of an 888 broken off at the stanction right above the dust wiper. However, had I said that, I'm sure I would have been asked for proof :rolleyes: - I can't find the picture at the moment, which I believe I saw on MTBR.

The fact is, photos of broken forks mean very little. It only means that someone photographed and posted that particular broken component. How many Boxxers are being ridden on a daily basis, and how many have broken in half in the middle of the stanctions? Looking at pictures like that as anything more than an amusement or a point of interest is just dumb.

Im am willing to bet there are a lot more 888s sold than DH40s and Boxxers. <snip>

The percent of 888s sold vs broken 888 is a lot less than the percent of DH40s or Boxxers sold vs broken Dh40s or Boxxers.
Bwahaha... Let's not make silly assumptions that you can't even come close to backing up. I'd bet you a case of your favorite beer that there are a LOT more Boxxers being ridden on a daily basis than 888s.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Bwahaha... Let's not make silly assumptions that you can't even come close to backing up. I'd bet you a case of your favorite beer that there are a LOT more Boxxers being ridden on a daily basis than 888s.
If you can prove it Ill mail you a case of your favorite beer. Every resort I have ever ridden at uses 888s on their rental bikes for one. That makes up for a majority right there. I have only ridden in BC and the western US but I see a lot more 888s.


Reread my posts. I just kept asking for a pic of a broken 888. Thats it. The pics you posted are of broken Risse crowns which have nothing to do with the actual ZOke product. The pic of the 888 with the broken arch above is the only real broken 888 IMO. You can ride away with a cracked fork but you cant ride away with a broken arch or broke lowers like the Boxxer pics and DH40 pics.
 

kidwoo

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I gotta say, a fork broken in half is usually due to rider error as well. 50/50 a landing on a big jump is rider error as is slamming into a tree
Not my fault god put that damn tree there or the landing too far away.


kanter: at whistler last year I needed some new seals in my 888. You've seen the zoke trailer there........... guy had a trashcan full of either 66 or 888 lowers broken at the arch.


Everyone should buy avalanches. Not only are they unbreakable, they're water proof.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Where did I say all these things you guys are implying I said.

Anyone have pics of broken 888s? Im sure there is one or two out there.
Pics, pics, we need pics. :)
Rider error in tightening the bolts and Risse crowns. hmmmm


I love Zoke.:)

So no one has a pic of a broken 888?
A cracked 888 is not a broke 888 IMO. The DH40 and Boxxer are broke not cracked. Im still waiting on a BROKE 888 pic.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Not my fault god put that damn tree there or the landing too far away.


kanter: at whistler last year I needed some new seals in my 888. You've seen the zoke trailer there........... guy had a trashcan full of either 66 or 888 lowers broken at the arch.


Everyone should buy avalanches. Not only are they unbreakable, they're water proof.


So maybe no one takes pics of broken 888s. That could be too. Ive just never seen many.
Ive ridden Fernie, Panorama, Silver Star, Sun Peaks, Whistler, and Silver Mountain and all had 888s on their rentals. I never wrote down how many riders were riding 888s vs Boxxers but I saw a lot more 888s on riders bikes too. Just an observation. I see a lot more 888s on stock bikes these days too.



The Avy water proof and tire stuff is really getting old.;) Especially when my comment about Avy's being water proof was me trying to be a smart a$$. If everyone brought your comments up when you were being a smart a$$..... :)
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
Sidebar: Isn't it illegal to mail alcohol across state lines or some nonsense? I have a client who wanted to send me some local microbrew but was told by USPS he couldn't send to Canada or vermont?
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Sidebar: Isn't it illegal to mail alcohol across state lines or some nonsense? I have a client who wanted to send me some local microbrew but was told by USPS he couldn't send to Canada or vermont?
Im in Canada all the time. But I think you are right about mailing alcohol.


On a serious note. I would really like to know what the numbers of Boxxers sold vs 888s is. Anyone have some actual numbers?
 

kona-ryder

Monkey
Jul 18, 2006
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Above you on the podium.
So maybe no one takes pics of broken 888s. That could be too. Ive just never seen many.
Ive ridden Fernie, Panorama, Silver Star, Sun Peaks, Whistler, and Silver Mountain and all had 888s on their rentals. I never wrote down how many riders were riding 888s vs Boxxers but I saw a lot more 888s on riders bikes too. Just an observation. I see a lot more 888s on stock bikes these days too.



The Avy water proof and tire stuff is really getting old.;) Especially when my comment about Avy's being water proof was me trying to be a smart a$$. If everyone brought your comments up when you were being a smart a$$..... :)
The reason you have seen many more 888 on rental bikes than Boxxers is the fact that Marzocchi goes out and 'whores' (for lack of a better word) themselves to the resorts. People who are either newb's, or in the market for a new fork will see all of these forks at the resorts with world class terain, and think they must be hot sh*t, so they go out and buy them. You cannot get an accurate number of forks by riding at resorts, as the majority of the bikes there are rentals, and the majority of rentals use Zocchi's. Although I am not sure of what the data is, I am sure that it will swing more towards the Boxxer/Dh 40 side of the spectrum, than what the resorts would indicate.
 

no skid marks

Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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The reason you have seen many more 888 on rental bikes than Boxxers is the fact that Marzocchi goes out and 'whores' (for lack of a better word) themselves to the resorts. People who are either newb's, or in the market for a new fork will see all of these forks at the resorts with world class terain, and think they must be hot sh*t, so they go out and buy them. You cannot get an accurate number of forks by riding at resorts, as the majority of the bikes there are rentals, and the majority of rentals use Zocchi's. Although I am not sure of what the data is, I am sure that it will swing more towards the Boxxer/Dh 40 side of the spectrum, than what the resorts would indicate.
The words "the reason" and "Fact" would lead us to believe that you know for a fact. Resorts also would demand low service intervals and reliability,I don't think any other brand could match Marzochhi for that,cost may also play a big part and also resorts don't wish for catastrophic failures.
I don't think 40s would be out selling either Boxxers or 888s,purely for cost reasons not quality or performance. Marzochhi would sell a lot more than the others in Europe I'm guessing.
I would agree that sales numbers reflect virtually nothing in regards to strength/durability.
 

gemini2k

Turbo Monkey
Jul 31, 2005
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The reason you have seen many more 888 on rental bikes than Boxxers is the fact that Marzocchi goes out and 'whores' (for lack of a better word) themselves to the resorts. People who are either newb's, or in the market for a new fork will see all of these forks at the resorts with world class terain, and think they must be hot sh*t, so they go out and buy them. You cannot get an accurate number of forks by riding at resorts, as the majority of the bikes there are rentals, and the majority of rentals use Zocchi's. Although I am not sure of what the data is, I am sure that it will swing more towards the Boxxer/Dh 40 side of the spectrum, than what the resorts would indicate.
moutain bike fiction did a little story a while back about how many forks of what were used at whistler. The 888's outnumbered the boxxeres by like 5:1, but that was like 04....