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sleepinggiant

Monkey
Jul 9, 2004
498
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San Jose, CA
Got my new frame, Versus Blits, and helmet, D2. The quality on the frame is simply amazing, the welds are fantastic and the needle bearings w/ grease ports at all pivots is really well done. The helmet is, well we all know the quality of the TLD lids. Paint job kicks ass. Feel free to ask any questions.













 

davep

Turbo Monkey
Jan 7, 2005
3,276
0
seattle
Very nice, congrats!

I have to say, though, the air shock seems odd with those over the top, overbuilt rockers.
 

davep

Turbo Monkey
Jan 7, 2005
3,276
0
seattle
What are they using to take the axial load of the pivots with the needle bearings. Are there "plastic washers' between the frame parts?
 

Li'l Dave

Monkey
Jan 10, 2002
840
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San Jose, CA
Aren't you one of those "roadie people" Eric, you realize that the Versus doesn't do well on the group ride?:biggrin: Looks sick though, come down and ride as soon as you can, and yes, Ben is a Sissy!
 

sleepinggiant

Monkey
Jul 9, 2004
498
0
San Jose, CA
It's cool to see all the praise for a small company. This is possibally the most well thought out frame I've ever seen. Everything is there for a reason, and there is nothing extra. Its a little hefty, 10.75lbs with shock, but I know that it will stand up to any abuse I can throw at it. Herb, the engineer at Versus, has spent 3000 hours designing this bike. The bb block is simply amazing, the pics do it no justice. The dropouts are super strudy, and the arch at the top of the seat stays is super strong. The back end of this bike is really stiff, so it doesn't deflect or wander beneath you at all. Yes, the top shock bolt does thread into the rocker plate. The needle bearings with the zerk fittings and grease ports is awsome, such an easier system to take care of than standard ball bearings.

I got rid of the sx because it just wasn't enough travel for the riding around here, plus I'm 6'3" and it had a very short seat tube, so if I wanted to pedal at all, it totally sucked.

Planning on building it with Lyric solo air, dt swiss hubs laced to single tracks, xt brakes, thomson stem and post, protapers, xt shifters and front der, xtr rear der, dual ring set up in front w/ a bash, but no guide to start with. If I find I need one, I have an old lrp arm I can toss on there.

It also comes in white, but I'm not into cleaning my bike every 5 min, so I went with black. Plus whoever said white is the new black was totally wrong.

Black is the new black baby!:banana:
 

4xBoy

Turbo Monkey
Jun 20, 2006
7,050
2,894
Minneapolis
Where is the Derailleur hanger?

Might just be the angle of the pic. that I don't see it.

BTW nice Frame I really like the look of the Blitz, but the 10+ lbs. with a DHX Air seems high, but should make for a stout bike.
 

sleepinggiant

Monkey
Jul 9, 2004
498
0
San Jose, CA
Where is the Derailleur hanger?

Might just be the angle of the pic. that I don't see it.

BTW nice Frame I really like the look of the Blitz, but the 10+ lbs. with a DHX Air seems high, but should make for a stout bike.
It's not on there. It came in a seperatre bag with all the cable guides.

Yeah, its a little heafty, but with my intended build, it should be in the 33-34lb range, which I'm totally cool with for a nearly 7in travel bike that I will be pedaling. I had also considered the SX Trail and the Reign X. The SX had the short seat tube, and I rode a Reign X when it came into my shop, and the bike just felt really tall. So I went with this and I couldn't be happier.:D
 

gmac

Monkey
Apr 6, 2002
471
0
2nd on buying from a small company. They handle you like you matter (cause you really do).
Plus, Versus built such a beauty of a bike doing the Blitz. Those machined plates are practically works of art. Almost sorry I didn't buy it now. Thanks :bonk:
(Actually were you to produce a pic of this bike built at 35lbs I might just have to do it)
 

Robusto

Monkey
Wait, so are there grease ports drilled into the frame? If im wrong... this probably sounds like a retarded question, but that sounds like it would be a good idea, if it could actually get into the bearings. Im just kinda confused on that one. Nice bike though, nice quality frame.
 

brittmtb

Chimp
Jan 17, 2005
39
0
Wait, so are there grease ports drilled into the frame? If im wrong... this probably sounds like a retarded question, but that sounds like it would be a good idea, if it could actually get into the bearings. Im just kinda confused on that one. Nice bike though, nice quality frame.
Holes are drilled into the frame and through the bearing walls and the zerk fittings are press fit in, so the grease goes to the bearings.
 

brittmtb

Chimp
Jan 17, 2005
39
0
2nd on buying from a small company. They handle you like you matter (cause you really do).
Plus, Versus built such a beauty of a bike doing the Blitz. Those machined plates are practically works of art. Almost sorry I didn't buy it now. Thanks :bonk:
(Actually were you to produce a pic of this bike built at 35lbs I might just have to do it)
Herb who designs all the bikes at Versus built his Blitz II up to 32.2 lbs (medium frame). It had a 36 Talas, SDG I-Beam seat and Seat post, DHX Air, Thompson Stem, Formula Oro brakes, XT Cranks, X0 rear derailluer and shifters, XTR front derailluer, Heim guide with a mrp carbon bash gaurd, Hadley Hubs, 5.1d rims, Xpedo pedals, and lightweight 2.3" tires. I'll try to get a picture of it and I'll post it in a few days.
 

jvnixon

Turbo Monkey
May 14, 2006
2,325
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SickLines.com
Herb who designs all the bikes at Versus built his Blitz II up to 32.2 lbs (medium frame). It had a 36 Talas, SDG I-Beam seat and Seat post, DHX Air, Thompson Stem, Formula Oro brakes, XT Cranks, X0 rear derailluer and shifters, XTR front derailluer, MRP 2-ring chain guide with a carbon bash gaurd, Hadley Hubs, 5.1d rims, Xpedo pedals, and lightweight 2.3" tires. I'll try to get a picture of it and I'll post it in a few days.
Here's a pic, its got carbon everywhere. I haven't seen it on a scale but I was told a similar # in the complete weight.

I'm still waiting to try one out to see what its all about. Are those plastic shims in the pivots to help prevent side loading on the needle bearings? How have those held up?
 

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Dogboy

Turbo Monkey
Apr 12, 2004
3,209
584
Durham, NC
Here's a pic, its got carbon everywhere. I haven't seen it on a scale but I was told a similar # in the complete weight.

I'm still waiting to try one out to see what its all about. Are those plastic shims in the pivots to help prevent side loading on the needle bearings? How have those held up?
I try to stay out of the weight weenie arguments, but 32.2lbs seems highly unlikely. I have a similar build on a frame that is over 2lbs lighter and it weighs around 33.5. The only thing lighter on that build than mine is the crankset, and seat/post. My wheels are lighter and everything else is almost identical. 34.5 I would believe, but not the claimed 32.2.
 

jvnixon

Turbo Monkey
May 14, 2006
2,325
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SickLines.com
I try to stay out of the weight weenie arguments, but 32.2lbs seems highly unlikely. I have a similar build on a frame that is over 2lbs lighter and it weighs around 33.5. The only thing lighter on that build than mine is the crankset, and seat/post. My wheels are lighter and everything else is almost identical. 34.5 I would believe, but not the claimed 32.2.
Yea i hear ya, weights are definitly a case where most people tend to round down a little too much
 

brittmtb

Chimp
Jan 17, 2005
39
0
Here's a pic, its got carbon everywhere. I haven't seen it on a scale but I was told a similar # in the complete weight.

I'm still waiting to try one out to see what its all about. Are those plastic shims in the pivots to help prevent side loading on the needle bearings? How have those held up?
Yeah,the white plastic shims are Delrin thrust washers to take the side loads. So far the washers have held up great. The first prototype Blitz was recently inspected to see how it had held up after a year of hard riding, and the washers didn't show any wear. After cleaning all the grease off you couldn't tell the difference between the used one and a new one.

EDIT: This is what Herb told me about the thrust washers. "The washers are there to take thrust and twisting loads and are made of some proprietary (special) material that can take rubbing and twisting loads better than some metals and they reduce friction. We have had zero issues with them and have undergone rigorous testing in the field and on the bench before they were ever implemented on the frames."
 

brittmtb

Chimp
Jan 17, 2005
39
0
I try to stay out of the weight weenie arguments, but 32.2lbs seems highly unlikely. I have a similar build on a frame that is over 2lbs lighter and it weighs around 33.5. The only thing lighter on that build than mine is the crankset, and seat/post. My wheels are lighter and everything else is almost identical. 34.5 I would believe, but not the claimed 32.2.
I was actually the one who put the bike on the scale and watched it go to a little over 32 lbs. The frame was also a medium so it will be less than the 10.75 lbs because that is a large frame. It had a carbon road seat post, and lightweight tubes too, but I can't remember what bars were on it. They might have been easton carbon DH bars.
 

buildyourown

Turbo Monkey
Feb 9, 2004
4,832
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South Seattle
Form should follow function.
Somebody needs to spend a little more time in engineering school and a little less time in industrial design. You could easily same 200-300g off of those rockers and make them stronger to boot my putting some of that meat in the right places.

I'm glad somebody else besides Turner is doing the greasable needle bearing thing. It's more regular maintenance, but the bearings last longer and feels fresh pretty much all the time. Cheaper for you too.
As for the delrin thrust bearings, you can get them from McMaster for cheap. Change them often (like every other week.)
 

brittmtb

Chimp
Jan 17, 2005
39
0
Form should follow function.
Somebody needs to spend a little more time in engineering school and a little less time in industrial design. You could easily same 200-300g off of those rockers and make them stronger to boot my putting some of that meat in the right places.

I'm glad somebody else besides Turner is doing the greasable needle bearing thing. It's more regular maintenance, but the bearings last longer and feels fresh pretty much all the time. Cheaper for you too.
As for the delrin thrust bearings, you can get them from McMaster for cheap. Change them often (like every other week.)
Think about the function; to maximize strength while reducing weight and having a shape to give the desired ramping rate and leverage ratio. The form clearly follows function. As you can see the 3 flanges (similar to an I-beam) give the rocker link strength vertically, while it's relatively large width provides the neccessary strength laterally. The aluminum in the middle areas on both sides where having more metal would not contribute as much to the strength of the link has been machined out to minimize the weight. If you look at a rocker link on the Blitz I (looks like a more traditional design) and compare it to the link on the Blitz II, the Blitz II's link is quite a bit lighter and also I believe something like 15% stronger. Herb spent 3000 hours designing and perfecting the bike. After he removed some material on CAD he'd use FEA to make sure strength was not sacrificed. You could machine holes in it to save a very small amount of weight, but it will become much weaker.

You could buy the Derlin washer off McMaster, but then you'd have to machine them to the correct size. As far as I know, no one has had to replace any thrust washers yet, and as I said before, after a year of riding on a set of them I saw no wear and put the used ones back in. I'm not sure why you think they would need to be replaced often.

edit: If you look at the bike in person you would see what I mean. It can be hard to tell the thinkness of parts and the little details in pictures.