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Zark

Zark

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Oct 18, 2001
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So this was the first weekend on my new Cove Shocker and I got a good amount of riding in. Ojai push runs, Knapps Castle high speed stuff and a Tunnel rockectomy were the testing grounds.

Pedaling
It pedals really nice. In the saddle and outit just scoots forward at a nice clip. The M1 seemed to wallow a bit more out of saddle. The Shocker jumps out of the corners in comparison.

Corners
It feels higher in the BB than the M1 and seems to want more lean angle than I'm used to. It going to take some time to sort out. It is stiff and tracks great

Braking
I didn't notice any stiffening of the suspension under braking. I did notice that I want to get some new brakes:bonk:

Rough stuff
Much better on square edged hits and hits in general. The 5th on my old bike never let the wheel track over the harsh stuff. The DHX on the Cove seems world better for this. The bike seems to ride higher in the travel so it has more reserve when you hit big stuff.

Jumping
This bike is lively, it likes airtime. It gives a nice playful feel on the trail, urgin you to bunnyhop odd broken stretches and waterbars. Preload and launch
 
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RJM

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ummm, ummm, ummm.

yeah i liked the shocker pretty well. but seriously every time I spoke to the cove bikes guys they seemed to have somestuff stuck up in their a$$.

bunch of clowns.
 
Kntr

Kntr

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klunky said:
http://uk.video.yahoo.com/video/play?_adv_prop=video&va=cove+shocker&ei=UTF-8&b=0&oid=bed7cda0588ce3dc&rurl=www.velovert.com&vdone=http://uk.video.yahoo.com/video/search?_adv_prop=video&va=cove+shocker&ei=UTF-8





That vid put me off cove.
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I agree. Come on. You have to be kidding.


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klunky

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Oct 17, 2003
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Kanter said:
I agree. Come on. You have to be kidding.


That was terribe um..... um.... um..... um.... um uhhh...... uhhhh... uh......um...um..... um.... um..... um.... um uhhh...... uhhhh... uh......um....um..... um.... um..... um.... um uhhh...... uhhhh... uh......um......um..... um.... um..... um.... um uhhh...... uhhhh... uh......um
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I was thinking more along the lines of there outrages claims.

My favourite is that they use long chainstays becuase bikes with chainstays under 18" become unstable at high speed and crack.

I think the cove designer is on crack.

I dont mind, infact I expect, marketing hype but that guy was full of it
 
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_*sTiTcHeS*_

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that guy says "uhh" 85 times. give or take one or two. its similar to how girls like to say "like you know how like i was like looking at his like eyes and like they were like kindof blue like you know?"
 
FlipFantasia

FlipFantasia

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Oct 4, 2001
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that sounds like almost every comment I've heard about the shocker....everyone I know who has one, or has tried one, absolutely loves the way they ride.....snappy and fun to ride they say......
 
frznnomad

frznnomad

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originally posted by klunky
My favourite is that they use long chainstays becuase bikes with chainstays under 18" become unstable at high speed and crack.
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except the funny thing is that he never said that. he said the bikes have a tendency to become twitchy at higher speeds, and put more stress on the stays at higher speeds. which well we all know is TRUE. yeh his speaking skills are lacking but in my opinion i think they have come out with a solid bike. ohh and zark the rig looks good man.:cheers:
 
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frznnomad

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Jun 20, 2005
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okay so you win about the crack comment, but in his deffence he said tend to crack. he never said that they would inevitably crack. okay no big i didnt design the bike and i wasnt the one speaking. i just think it looks like a solid bike and glad that zark seems to enjoy it.:cheers:
 
caputo1989

caputo1989

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frznnomad said:
except the funny thing is that he never said that. he said the bikes have a tendency to become twitchy at higher speeds, and put more stress on the stays at higher speeds. which well we all know is TRUE. yeh his speaking skills are lacking but in my opinion i think they have come out with a solid bike. ohh and zark the rig looks good man.:cheers:
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I think he may now his s***. At higher speeds shot syays tend to twitch more than the longer ones. The twitching causes torque that puts stress on the welds (not the actual stay) and there may be a POSSIBLE crack. So I think he designed longer styas to prevent any POSSIBLE cracking at THE WELDS, to prevent warranty claims. The guy is not just a designer, but a smart buisness man. :lighten: :lighten: :lighten:
 
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frznnomad

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^^^okay except i was totally agreeing with what the man had to say. like i said im not a frame designer so what do i know about tollerances and what is the best way to design a dh frame.:huh:
 
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thaflyinfatman

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caputo1989 said:
I think he may now his s***. At higher speeds shot syays tend to twitch more than the longer ones. The twitching causes torque that puts stress on the welds (not the actual stay) and there may be a POSSIBLE crack. So I think he designed longer styas to prevent any POSSIBLE cracking at THE WELDS, to prevent warranty claims. The guy is not just a designer, but a smart buisness man. :lighten: :lighten: :lighten:
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Ah that's total crap. The difference between long and short chainstays is only about 5% in length, rider weight varies by more than 50%. Besides that, geometry should come first and the bike should be designed to be strong enough for whatever kind of loading the geometry dictates.
 
Udi

Udi

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klunky said:
I think the cove designer is on crack.

I dont mind, infact I expect, marketing hype but that guy was full of it
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He hinted that he was a mechanic... I wouldn't want him within a million miles of my bike. Hell i'm in australia and am considering filing for a restraining order.
 
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DIRTWRKS

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Aug 13, 2003
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Well, regardless of his public speaking skills and his bike design ideas, this bike is quick. At this years Canadian DH championships in Whistler both the mens "Pro" Senior and Junior titles were won by Cove riders.
 
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tuumbaq

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Jul 5, 2006
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DIRTWRKS said:
Well, regardless of his public speaking skills and his bike design ideas, this bike is quick. At this years Canadian DH championships in Whistler both the mens "Pro" Senior and Junior titles were won by Cove riders.
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You meant the riders are quick, right?How does a title makes a bike any faster than others?

I had the chance to try many of those shockers, certainly fun to ride and gives a solid feel but too heavy for my taste...the frame itself is like 12.5 pounds without the shock.
 
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DIRTWRKS

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Aug 13, 2003
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tuumbaq said:
You meant the riders are quick, right?How does a title makes a bike any faster than others?

I had the chance to try many of those shockers, certainly fun to ride and gives a solid feel but too heavy for my taste...the frame itself is like 12.5 pounds without the shock.
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Yes of course those riders are quick, but really it does not appear that the Shocker is hampering them from getting on to the Podium and isn't that what racing is all about.
 
Superdeft

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All of you guys who are making fun of him for talking about short stays having cracking statement don't understand what he's talking about, its a general statement about stress (force per area) on a tube. His prep for the interview does leave something to be desired though. It's easy to criticize some guy over the internet, but anyone who's tried to design a frame knows that it's hard just to make sure the geometry is correct and parts actually fit onto the frame. A frame design that can actually be ridden is a huge accomplishment.

Consistent chainstay length, rising rate, and extension under pedal torque are all desirable aspects for a DH bike, especially for the average joe. That's not to say that this makes it a great bike, but it's something to think about.
 
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the guy may have a bit of a speech problem, but I don't think it was all that bad. As bad or better than alot of designers I have personally dealt with at some much bigger companies. The bike turned out pretty kick ass too...
 
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thaflyinfatman

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Jul 20, 2002
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Superdeft said:
All of you guys who are making fun of him for talking about short stays having cracking statement don't understand what he's talking about, its a general statement about stress (force per area) on a tube. His prep for the interview does leave something to be desired though. It's easy to criticize some guy over the internet, but anyone who's tried to design a frame knows that it's hard just to make sure the geometry is correct and parts actually fit onto the frame. A frame design that can actually be ridden is a huge accomplishment.

Consistent chainstay length, rising rate, and extension under pedal torque are all desirable aspects for a DH bike, especially for the average joe. That's not to say that this makes it a great bike, but it's something to think about.
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Kindly explain how the stress on a chainstay is increased by shortening the stays? If anything, it would be increased by LENGTHENING the stays, as the moment arm is bigger. The guy is talking out his poo chute.
 
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dropmachine

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Sep 7, 2001
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thaflyinfatman said:
Kindly explain how the stress on a chainstay is increased by shortening the stays? If anything, it would be increased by LENGTHENING the stays, as the moment arm is bigger. The guy is talking out his poo chute.
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Maybe. BUT, hes designed a Canada Cup winning frame design, and a world class downhill bike, and you're sitting here arguing on the internet.

Just something to think about. ;)
 
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thaflyinfatman

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Jul 20, 2002
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dropmachine.com said:
Maybe. BUT, hes designed a Canada Cup winning frame design, and a world class downhill bike, and you're sitting here arguing on the internet.

Just something to think about. ;)
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I never bagged the bike, but well done on bringing up something TOTALLY IRRELEVANT anyway - have you been practising? I was pointing out that at least one reason for his criticism of shorter stays is TOTALLY invalid.

Notably, you too are sitting here arguing... :clapping:
 
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dropmachine

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Sep 7, 2001
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No, i am sitting here pointing out how incredibly pointless it is to bag on the guy regarding his speaking skills. Maybe hes really shy, or just a terrible speaker. Who cares? Its got nothing to do with the bike.

The chainstay comment could be totally bang on, but he didn't explain it right or use the right terminology. Either way, it doesn't matter. The bike rides well, wins races, and thats that.

Its just funny.
 
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