Hub dilema along with crank issue! king/hadley fsa vs middleburn!

pinkshirtphotos · Dec 26, 2006

dt 440 and middleburns

Kntr · Dec 26, 2006

What frame are you getting?

ZHendo · Dec 26, 2006

i have no experience with the middleburns, but i love my gaps. i do a lot of research and crap when buying a new bike, so i looked into everything and ended up with the fsa cranks. they don't look to sharp, pretty generic, but they perform. the bb is massive, it's a quad bearing system and has held up fantastically. in terms of hubs, i'd say hadley over dt swiss, i've always felt the dt swiss stuff to be overpriced and over rated, and hadley is a very trusted company. also, look into profile racing, they make a 12X150 and after trying hadleys, dts and sun ringle abbahs, the profile is definately my top choice. they are a good deal, come with titanium engagements and are really nice looking. the engagement is really quick, and you now can get them in a bunch of colors i think. hope supposedly makes some great hubs too, but i didn't get a chance to test them, so i didn't get 'em.

jvnixon · Dec 26, 2006

I'm not sure if you're trying to keep that king or not but I think brake therapy does do 12mm conversions if you're interested (not 100% sure if they do a 150mm one or not) but hit them up if you're interested.

jvnixon · Dec 26, 2006

yep they do

ZHendo · Dec 26, 2006

i didn't remember the industry 9s. they look really nice, but they're a super premium wheel, the kind that most dream about. in your case, with no budget, i'd say hit it, but make sure you get a cool color.

blue · Dec 26, 2006

Go for the FSA Gaps, cranks are disposable.

jvnixon · Dec 27, 2006

I don't recall what the addition of the heavy duty adds, but a regular king rear hub is around 300g. so probably 340 or so
hadley/dt is about 400g
I9's should be comparable

have you ridden 21mm rims?

I think the deemax rim is pretty much the same as the xm823 but someone can correct me if not.

jvnixon · Dec 27, 2006

bullcrew said:
This is ridiculous, I have a broken back and plenty of time till I can ride yet I am still imaptient.
I want to buy it tomorrow or thursday so I can have the bike ready to ride by sat/sun even though I can't ride yet.

Never busted my back thanfully.

I've ridden the FSA gaps and they're solid. The 73mm version weighs about 1000g with bottom bracket.

joelsman · Dec 27, 2006

industry 9 has or is coming out with reg flanged hubs, hope pro2 also comes in nice color choices.

hadley, dt, I9, and hope are all great hubs.

Fulton · Dec 27, 2006

seanmankiw said:
dt 440 and middleburns

truer words have never been spoken. Even better, get a hope hub, and save some cash and weight!

vitox · Dec 27, 2006

bullcrew, im sorta noticing you like about the same components as i do and so i think you could take a look into the hope pro2 rear hub, catalog weight is about 70g less than the DT 440 and i can believe that since the one i had in my hand was remarkably light.
as for rims, 729 or 721.
83mm bb cranks is a hassle because you have no real light options, i mean middleburns are light but there is no good light bb. either the best ISIS bb you can find and middleburns, or some downright cheap stuff you can keep replacing if needed. or just forget the weight and go saint although they wont be that much heavier than a middleburn/isis combo either.

Udi · Dec 27, 2006

vitox said:
and i can believe that since the one i had in my hand was remarkably light.

ooh, the calibrated vitox hand scale

anyone got weights on the regular flanged industry9's? i've asked a few times but no one seems to know... but i'm scared enough of the pricing to not bother emailing them haha.

ViciousDHer · Dec 27, 2006

vitox said:
or just forget the weight and go saint although they wont be that much heavier than a middleburn/isis combo either.

anybody have weight comparisons between the two as I'm debating now. Everyone says the saints are much heavier but I'm not convinced either

Dogboy · Dec 27, 2006

Tell you what, I'll get an accurate weight of the 83mm Saint cranks for you later with the BB and without the chainrings. It should be pretty easy to compare that to the Middleburns.

ViciousDHer · Dec 27, 2006

bullcrew said:
I think the saints come in at around 1100+ and the middleburns are around 8 or 900.
Dont quote me I think I past it somewhere lastnight in my weight weenie quest.

including bb with the middleburn weight ? I'm also comparing 83mm bb

Udi · Dec 27, 2006

I weighed 73mm saints at 999g - crankset, BB, no ring
add 40g for an e13 38t ring

so no they aren't too heavy.... suppose you could add another 15-20g for the 83mm setup, but 10mm of hollow metal (and 10mm of hollow plastic) isn't going to add too much really.

vitox · Dec 27, 2006

Udi said:
ooh, the calibrated vitox hand scale

ooh you should see it in action, i used to impress the ladies at the local bakery all the time when i pick up some breakfast material and do quite good at guessing how much it weighs.

too bad 50g less or more doesnt quite mean much accuracy when weighing bike parts....

jvnixon · Dec 27, 2006

hope pro 2 QR , i would think 150mm / 12mm would be around 305g

vitox · Dec 27, 2006

jvnixon said:
hope pro 2 QR , i would think 150mm / 12mm would be around 305g

ive got that one on my palomino, bit of a pork compared to the wtblaserlite it replaced, but hey, this one seems to be up to more than JRA which would be a welcome change.

the 150/12mm T/A hope pro2 is listed at 295g btw

Dogboy · Dec 27, 2006

If it makes your decision easier, the ex1750's aren't available aftermarket with a 150mm hub, only 135mm.

julian_dh · Dec 27, 2006

bullcrew said:
Just an idea.
I am going to buy something today because I can!
Hey thats my best idea yet!

(actually stolen from my wifes list of favorite things to say!)

why not buy the shock therapy upgrade kit for your king i baught one to fit on my orange 223 and it works flawlessly, also my next bike is a 135x12 so i might even have the kit to upgrade your hub forsale all it is, is a new endcap on the non drive side and a spacer where the rotor bolts on.

rowlands · Dec 27, 2006

brake therapy makes a conversion for king hubs to 12x150 contact them. it just replaces the axle with a longer one and uses a spacer for the rotor. julian_dh has one and his looks pretty solid.

dexter · Dec 27, 2006

well if you want a lite set of 83mm cranks and money is no option i would get the eatern ti 3 piece cranks(400 grams i believe with bb) or a set of deity (you said you liked white) cranks and bb, add a fsa ti bb and knight ti crank bolts and you will be lighter than 99% of the set ups out their. i ran/run this set up on three bikes, soon to be 4, and have never had a problem and i downright abuse my **** like its my bastard red headed stepchild

Dogboy · Dec 27, 2006

Udi said:
I weighed 73mm saints at 999g - crankset, BB, no ring
add 40g for an e13 38t ring

so no they aren't too heavy.... suppose you could add another 15-20g for the 83mm setup, but 10mm of hollow metal (and 10mm of hollow plastic) isn't going to add too much really.

I get 1000 grams even for the M-805 Saints with no ring. It's a 170mm set.

Hub dilema along with crank issue! king/hadley fsa vs middleburn!

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