What!? It's not magical? Hmm, that might explain why my manhood has yet to increase in size even tho I got "FSR" tatted on my lower back...
Oh well...Guess I can say it was an ol'girlfriend's initials...
Is horst dead?
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Oh well...Guess I can say it was an ol'girlfriend's initials...
Dude, you got a tramp stamp of "FSR"?
You should have your manhood removed for that, and it'd serve you right if you never got laid again.
Damn, maybe it really is magic...
But seriously, if I were to ever actually get a tat, it would most certainly not be anything to do with Spesh...Cane Creek Double Barrel - maybe
the 2007 demo 8 has a slightly rearward axle parth for the first time in ever. Specialized listened to its racers and recreated the fsr design on the demo to make a better race bike... FSR is not dead nor does the suspension design feel dead. The 07 is lively and ramps up a lot better then all previous models. You cant really say the fsr is dead when the demo is one of the top selling dh bikes...
-hauer
-hauer
I'll never say it's dead until people quit making them, but I can certainly say it doesn't do what specialized says it does.
You've ridden one I assume? That's one of the bikes on my short list this summer. I'm due.
Did they also raise the BB? I thought I remembered the 05/06 demo 8s being lower.
BB height is the same as the '06 year according to the geo in the Spec. dealer book
they raised the bb but there is a little bit more travel so after you set your sag its the same.. not sure on the exact amount of travel added or bb height lifter, its not much tho on eitherI'll never say it's dead until people quit making them, but I can certainly say it doesn't do what specialized says it does.
You've ridden one I assume? That's one of the bikes on my short list this summer. I'm due.
Did they also raise the BB? I thought I remembered the 05/06 demo 8s being lower.
are you sure because i deal with the man behind the machine that is the creator of the demo and was told the bb is a little bit higher.
Well last years Demo said 14.4 in the book, and mine came in a 14.0,
so I think they were lower than advertised last year.
I'm going off catalog numbers here, real world results may vary
Thanks for the info.
Kind of a bummer.
So the two settings are now 14.5 and what.....15?
That's crazy.
i guess the numbers might throw you off, but if you are intrested in the demo it is 100 times better then any of its previous years. I ride for specialized, and would not ride the demo until they had this new version. I rode a bighit all last year, I rode the bighit because it was lighter and ramped up a whole lot better. They both had verticle wheelpaths. Now that the demo is slightly rearward, ramps up better, and is lighter.. it is more of a race bike then any year past.Thanks for the info.
Kind of a bummer.
So the two settings are now 14.5 and what.....15?
That's crazy.
Btw, does anybody else remember that 2 page add Spesh took out in a few bike mags a couple years ago? Went through all the various "other" suspension designs and described how they were all sh!t...That was one of my all-time faves...
I really should be in bike marketing...
I really should be in bike marketing...
Turpen?
I still want to ride one......I just think they should have kept the super low BB option.
I've been trying to convince a buddy of mine to buy one of those big hits. Those things are a screaming deal and definitely a good frame.
There a conflict between theory and pratice..
In general horst link bikes on paper should brake better then DW and VPP designs(although dw comes closer then vpp)..
Its strange that some people feel brake squat on HL bikes and not DW/VPP !?
In general horst link bikes on paper should brake better then DW and VPP designs(although dw comes closer then vpp)..
Its strange that some people feel brake squat on HL bikes and not DW/VPP !?
"better" is a relative opinion. Fabien Barel would say that the old Alex Pong Cannondale prototype brakes "better" than any of the bikes that you mentioned.
dw-link has a "tuned" (meaning kinematically engineered) brake squat profile. "better"? I think so, but other people's opinions may vary.
I'm with DW...people have their own opinions about what works best...some people hate floaters because it makes the suspension feel "disjointed" or something along those lines. I love mine because the suspension stays active..but I ride very rocky terrain...for higher speed corners I could see the need for squat.
I'm not here to shoot you down, but just want to clear things up since Specialized tends to market some pretty wild claims and well people are gullable. I'm not bagging on them either as I'm racing a Demo 7 this year, but they don't have vertical paths and they don't have rearward axle paths either. I'm sure that the axle path isn't as forward arcing as last years and as many ways as are there are to create a straight path linkage the FSR as laid out by specialized isn't one of them.
Anyway to answer the threads question. The horst isn't dead. In fact most suspension designs even implemented on the earliest squishies are still around and going strong. It's just that they are more refined and better executed (oh and much more durable). FSR, VPP, DW, Maestro they are all four bars just executed differently as each one is what is believed to be an optimized 4 bar linkage based on a number of different variables.
Agreed on the low BB thing hey.. the old bighits sit at 14" flat with an 8" boxxer, IMO all they needed to do was keep the same geo with a 26" wheel and they would have had a pretty killer racebike. Something like an intense that didn't break as easy.
The 06 demo8 still sat nice and low, the shorter stays were welcome, but I think the whole sub-swingarm thing just added unneccessary weight.
For 07 it's gotten lighter, but it sure looks ugly - and if it's higher too then I don't see anything to keep the speshy fans hanging on.
The kinematics apply to the linkage layout itself, the dynamics apply to the linkage layout and the acceleration together. In the context that I presented kinematic is the correct syntax.Isn't kinematic engineering kind of a strange way to address anything that relates directly to acceleration? Dynamic engineering would be more appropriate... though kinematic might sound cooler to the masses
Turpen rides a sunday i thought...
Well since we're talking dynamicals and kinetics (something I prefer to call "Dianetics", which I coined well before Mr. Hubbard decided to make up a religion), I was wondering if Dave could take at a look at my new proposed slope style bike...Take special note of the thigh strap for improved weight transfer during flips, new "easy-steer" system for better steering modulation, ideally place BB position, improved pedalling efficiency via semi-recumbent seating position, bite valve activated beer holder, special 'dual purpose' air pump mounted under the top tube, and of course my new Floating Uncontrolled Cantilever suspension system...
I just hope this doesn't infringe on your patent Dave...If so, I will move to Sunny Vale trailer park in Canada and get Trevor & Cory to make them...
I just hope this doesn't infringe on your patent Dave...If so, I will move to Sunny Vale trailer park in Canada and get Trevor & Cory to make them...
Is that a spear attached to the front?
If so, are you taking pre-orders?
If so, are you taking pre-orders?
cow catcher/impaler...my contribution to the design process.
just cause it's called a cow-catcher, doesn't mean that's all you can, umm, catch with it....I was thinking more along the lines of people that congregate and talk on/around the landers of large jumps or in high speed sections of DH trails.
B. Lopes has already contacted me about this feature, as he believes it would 'dissuade' people (i.e. the ones on 'the list') from cutting him off during races...
I need to start paying better attention to this jackalope character.
Where the hell is the beer holder?
Where the hell is the beer holder?
Attached to the top tube, it has a little bit valve coming out of it and is labeled "beer" 
Um.
Take another look.
I think it might have some jumbled combination of letters on it... REEB... REBE... BERE... something like that.
Attached to the top tube, it has a little bit valve coming out of it and is labeled "beer"
PM sent.
I look forward to riding the FUC suspension system this season and am thrilled to embark on what I hope to be a long relationship with Dianetics Engineering. I believe it will be a suitable match for many podium finishes to come.
You should check with ol' Jackalope...pretty sure Rennie and Peaty are in line to defect from SC...you may have to wait a while to get your frame.
I will also be offering an umbrella mounting option, so you will be able to stay cool while waiting your turn at Crankworx...
In addition, I will include some old drill bits I have laying around with every F.U.C. frame - as I encourage folks drilling speed holes and new shock mounting positions...And you also get to choose what kind of lawn furniture you want me to make the frame out of (e.g. super light and fatigued aluminum or heavily corroded 'beach' steel)...Needless to say, I will be glad to spray paint the frame any colour you want...
In addition, I will include some old drill bits I have laying around with every F.U.C. frame - as I encourage folks drilling speed holes and new shock mounting positions...And you also get to choose what kind of lawn furniture you want me to make the frame out of (e.g. super light and fatigued aluminum or heavily corroded 'beach' steel)...Needless to say, I will be glad to spray paint the frame any colour you want...
The F.U.C. is pure genious. I would also like to subscribe to your newsletter Mr. Jackalope.
Can you make my F.U.C. with a 100% efficient vertical axle path, please?!
What ever Dave, vertical axel paths are so played...I'm developing a new horizontal axel path with my upcoming 'inch worm' design...I really like the idea of a wheelbase that can extend from say 30" or so to 50"...
And btw, Kidwoo, you had better put that DHR in a museum, cuz I've already heard that hack Mr. Turner is getting out of the bike biz now that I will be releasing a new DH bike design...Behold:
Yes, that's right: a 20" rear wheel, 29" front, 3 interconnected (and probably useless) shocks, 3 overly-complex and useless jack shaft rollers, and my trademark 30" tall bb height...Enjoy...
And btw, Kidwoo, you had better put that DHR in a museum, cuz I've already heard that hack Mr. Turner is getting out of the bike biz now that I will be releasing a new DH bike design...Behold:
Yes, that's right: a 20" rear wheel, 29" front, 3 interconnected (and probably useless) shocks, 3 overly-complex and useless jack shaft rollers, and my trademark 30" tall bb height...Enjoy...