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University Choice Dilemma...Please help

COmtbiker12

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Dec 17, 2003
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Alright so I'm a bit lost as to where I should go at the moment. I'm fairly certain that I'd like to do engineering, but would like to keep at least a little bit of liberal arts in the mix, primarily foreign language. At the moment I've been admitted to my in-state schools (Colorado University, Colorado State university, and School of Mines) as well as UBC in Vancouver.
So far here are my initial opinions on each school:

Colorado State University
-I would do the Honors Program (which would be a nice transition from IB with seminar style classes and other bright people) and could easily double major or easily concentrate on engineering as well as liberal arts (languages, philosophy, etc.)
-A large campus with 20-30k people in a fairly small city would be interesting and have a lot to do.
-The large campus also means that there are more people competing for internships that are offered, and perhaps a lower rate of job placement after graduation.
-Decent engineering program from what I've heard, but not outstanding per se.
-Is probably the cheapest of the in-state options and about a 2hour drive from home. (far but not that far)

Colorado University
-It would be easy to double major as with CSU.
-The large campus would have a variety of things to do and participate in, much like CSU.
-Better engineering than CSU but I don't know if I'd be able to do an Honors program.
-As with CSU, the large campus probably limits probability of easily finding internships and jobs upon initial graduation.
-Is in scenic Boulder and roughly 2.5hours from my house.
-Costs a few thousand more than CSU but nothing too drastic.

Colorado School of Mines
-Certainly the best engineering school in Colorado (or at least most reputable).
-Is in Golden (small city) nestled against the mountains but right on the outskirts of Denver.
-I've been told from students that there's an abundance of choice for internships and jobs, with near 100% job placement upon graduation.
-It'd be difficult to do a double major but I've been told that many students take liberal arts classes at the local community college (ex. some foreign languages not offered at the school, etc.)and credits transfer over. So it'd still be possible to take courses in French and what not but without majoring/minoring in it.
-A humanities focused Honors program is there which would be interesting and a nice transition from IB.
-Costs a few thousand more than CU but again nothing traumatizing.
-Close proximity to the mountains means lots of skiing, cycling, etc.

University of British Columbia
-Reputable engineering program (from what I've heard).
-Opportunity to double major in a liberal arts program.
-The sheer adventure of being in a foreign country/culture and surrounded by a lot of people from those cultures.
-Proximity to Vancouver and what it has to offer, while remaining off on its own.
-It would cost a lot more to travel back and forth (roughly $500/plane ticket from what I've seen) so I'd see my family a lot less.
-Large campus would have positive and negative aspects like CSU/CU, so internships/job placement might be less than Mines.
-Did I say awesomeness of being in a different culture and country?
-Possibility of future living/working abroad would be much easier?
-Costs $5k-8k USD more than other universities, which to my parents is daunting and unappealling.


Anyways, sorry making you guys read so much (for those that did). I hope that since this is somewhat of an internationally based community with a lot of folks who are interested in sciences/engineering, that some suggestions and advice will be offered. As far as plans after college I think that I'd like to try and work abroad and travel the world a bit, maybe even do some humanitarian projects to gain work experience as well as help people.

Thanks,
Tony
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Oh and obviously UBC would be near some SWEET riding, but Colorado is like that as well (not on the magnitude of Whistler perhaps, but still) and hopefully I can do at least some collegiate riding even if it's road riding.
 

Toshi

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Oct 23, 2001
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i'd go with the school of mines, as long as the gender ratio wasn't too heavily skewed.
 

COmtbiker12

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Dec 17, 2003
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i'd go with the school of mines, as long as the gender ratio wasn't too heavily skewed.
Lol, when I went for a visitation day there last weekend one kid asked about that. One of the students said that even though there's 4guys to every girl, half the guys never leave their dorm room because they either play video games too much or can't socialize. So the ratio isn't that bad.

At least that's what he said...
 

TreeSaw

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Oct 30, 2003
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Dancin' over rocks n' roots!
Well, the School of Mines sounds like an excellent choice. I was told it would be tough to double major too, but if you're willing to put in the extra hours, it is certainly do-able (though I didn't study engineering). Really, it sounds like a nice area and the job placement & internship opportunities are outstanding!

Good luck!
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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Keep in mind that you are making a commitment to your education, and not to riding. UBC may be very tempting, but may not be your best choice, i.e. Whistler might just prove to be even more tempting (at the expense of your studying).

As an engineer myself, I would highly recommend CSM. It has a nation wide reputation as a excellent engineering school. However for the reasons you listed maybe CU would be a little better. In many cases, your freshman and sophomore core courses will be roughly the same no matter where you go. If you are undecided you might want to make sure that you get a good general background (math, science, and humanities). That way you can decide after two years, whether you still want to do engineering or go with more liberal arts route.

Another good option is finding a smaller 4 year college with a transfer program. Many schools are now teaming up with larger engineering schools offering a 2 year engineering core program where you transfer to the engineering program of your choice after 2 years. This has many benefits. Obviously, for the undecided people like yourself, you have more options availble to you. The other thing, and don't underestimate this, smaller schools tend to have smaller class sizes. This in my opinion is a huge advantage over the 20-30K enrollment schools. For instance, at a big school you might be in a core class like general chemistry with 400 other people and you will never have face to face time with your professor. At a small school you'll probably only have 20 people in your class and be able to talk with your professor almost every day. When you first transition from high school to college, that little extra help can mean all the difference in the world.

Good luck to you.
 

geargrrl

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May 2, 2002
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hubby is a CSM graduate ('84) and I'll third that the diploma is very weighty.

No one we knew at that time was taking additional classes at the CC or anywhere else. I'd heard that they had altered the programs to a little more rounded. Be very careful about what you think you can transfer in. CSM refused to accept a lot of his credits from a community college system.

23 years later, that degree still impresses people.

When he left CA to attend, my plan was to follow to CO but not right away.

The phone calls started coming right after he got there...
#1. "there's only one other guy with long hair here"
#2. "there aren't any women here"
#3. " the suicide rate here is really high...."
Okay, I'm packing the car....
 

COmtbiker12

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Dec 17, 2003
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Colorado Springs
Lol I think the most undecided factor about the engineering thing is which one I want to do. Right now I'm leaning towards either Petroleum Engineering or Engineering Physics, maybe Civil as well, who knows. Something in energy would be really cool, or something like civil which has the potential to do a lot of good for people. What sort of engineering do you do jdschall? At the moment I'm leaning towards Mines for its engineering and the fact that it would still be a possibility to take some liberal arts/humanities classes at the local community college in conjunction with the engineering degree. I mostly want to continue learning french and perhaps attempt another language. Hopefully I'll be able to find an internationally based engineering job after graduating that allows for travelling. I mean, my uncle is a PE (who went to Mines back in the day) and working for Conoco he's lived in Norway, Egypt, Brasil, other Latin American countries and now he's in Beijing. Something like that would be fun I would think.
 

COmtbiker12

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Dec 17, 2003
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Colorado Springs
hubby is a CSM graduate ('84) and I'll third that the diploma is very weighty.

No one we knew at that time was taking additional classes at the CC or anywhere else. I'd heard that they had altered the programs to a little more rounded. Be very careful about what you think you can transfer in. CSM refused to accept a lot of his credits from a community college system.

23 years later, that degree still impresses people.

When he left CA to attend, my plan was to follow to CO but not right away.

The phone calls started coming right after he got there...
#1. "there's only one other guy with long hair here"
#2. "there aren't any women here"
#3. " the suicide rate here is really high...."
Okay, I'm packing the care....
People at school have told me that physical education credits are a requirement to try and cope with the high suicide rate. And if the girl selection is bad then there's always CU real close? lol
 

JRogers

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Mar 19, 2002
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I'm not sure that I would qualify BC as a "different culture" unless there are tons of internationals there already. Yeah, you may get some fresh perspectives and such, but it's just Canada. I actually had a buddy in college from Whistler and would always joke about being an "international student" (my other international friends were from places like Bangladesh, Senegal, Colombia, etc.) and say things like "Back home, I'm lucky if I get a warm igloo." In any case, I don't see much of an advantage in going to BC over the others.

Since it sounds like you aren't pulled by any of these schools in particular, so I'd base the choice on education quality. Sounds like Mines might be the winner. Are the average class sizes smaller there? I would think so, and I find that to be a factor that does make some difference. The only real drawback seems that it might be a total sausage-fest
 

DRB

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Oct 24, 2002
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Go to Mines & get the petro eng. Just don't waste your 20's after you graduate working too much. :D
If you can get in and you can hack the petro program and come out with reasonable grades you will write your own ticket. And don't waste your time with French, find Arabic or Mandarin.

Combine those two things with a willingness to see the world, I'd hire you tomorrow at a rate of pay that would make you **** yourself when you saw it.
 

COmtbiker12

Turbo Monkey
Dec 17, 2003
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Colorado Springs
If you can get in and you can hack the petro program and come out with reasonable grades you will write your own ticket. And don't waste your time with French, find Arabic or Mandarin.

Combine those two things with a willingness to see the world, I'd hire you tomorrow at a rate of pay that would make you **** yourself when you saw it.
I'm planning on taking Arabic but want to continue French since I've been in it for the last 7years since the start of middle school, so no sense wasting it. Arabic should be really cool as I find the whole culture really intriguing.

And to JRogers, I'm pretty sure most of the classes are fairly small since the whole school is only like 3-4k students total. There'll probably be a few large classes, but I wouldn't think it would be on the scale of a large university.
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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What sort of engineering do you do jdschall?
My degree is in Materials Science and Engineering. CSM happens to have one of the best metallurgy programs in the nation (world?). MSE is pretty tough. You'll end up learning a little of everything, lots of physics, chemistry, and a mix of mechanical, chemical, and electrical engineering. You wouldn't be bored. It's a very well rounded program. However if you want to get a PE, you'll be at a disadvantage because you don't get the same focus as you would if you were strictly mechanical, chemical, or electrical engineer. We're kind of the whipping boy of all the other engineering disciplines. (Think about it, what can you build without knowing what material to build it with?)

Right now I research friction and wear at the atomic scale using molecular modeling. So on top of all that other stuff, I have to know how to write code and a bunch of other computer science stuff. Fun times.
 

COmtbiker12

Turbo Monkey
Dec 17, 2003
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Colorado Springs
That sounds really cool.
As I said earlier I'm not sure about PE but it's something to think about. It seems at Mines that all freshmen take the same curriculum anyways and so you don't really need to declare until some point in your sophomore year. What sort of industries can you work in with MSE?
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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What sort of industries can you work in with MSE?
Well, it's really a wide range of things. For instance, as an undergraduate I worked for IBM. When you think IBM you think computers, but they make lots of products and every piece of every product has to have some material specified for it. Think about a computer for a minute. At the core of it there is a semiconductor chip that does all the processing. A materials scientist designed all the materials that make that chip work, another materials scientist came up with the materials for the package that holds the chip, another materials scientist decided how to connect that chip to the motherboard, what materials are needed for the electrical contacts, it goes on and on. Now think about every appliance in your house, your car, you bike (hey this is a bike forum after all) in the same way, and everything else around you. Think about what every component is made of. Somewhere along the line a materials scientist came up with the material to make the part do what it is supposed to do, be a strong or as light as it needs to be according to some mechanical or electrical or civil, etc etc, engineer's specifications. Then you start to get an idea of what industries MSE grads work in. It's wide open.
 

JRogers

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Mar 19, 2002
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That sounds really cool.
As I said earlier I'm not sure about PE but it's something to think about. It seems at Mines that all freshmen take the same curriculum anyways and so you don't really need to declare until some point in your sophomore year. What sort of industries can you work in with MSE?
Most engineering schools have a lot of core classes that give you some freedom with major declaration. It's certainly less flexible than a liberal arts school, but you do have time.

I would think an MSE degree would have wide application accross industries. It certainly sounds interesting. I'd probably do something like that with my life if I could do more than 8th grade math without my brain exploding. My buddy, who's an engineer at Boeing now, always seemed to complain about his material sciences classes in school.