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stiksandstones

stiksandstones

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I was reading one of those so called DH magazine websites the last couple days and all the excitement for a red bull dirt jump contest at otter has me wondering WTF is going on?
It seems a wee bit sad to me that all these dudes care about is some barspin trickfest? The only thing MTB about any of that crap is MAYBE their forks?

When some of the worlds best DHers, Slalom riders are headed to the otter you think their might be a little bit of excitement to see them in action. There will probably 80% huck coverage devoted to it too but they will all make it up to the DH crowd with classic one liners like "We saw EC on the slalom, he just rips, my favorite rider of all time" duurrrrrrrrr "Now back to John B Nac Flip and our amazing skate pics of the ginormous redbul ramp brah".

This is a rant of an old geezer that likes XC, DH, DS, 4X so do not mind me, I will get slammed, but is that first? surely not. Have a tremendous wednesday.
 
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Consult Zach Dank if you want a scape goat for "sicktor gnar brah nac nac" coverage.

But I mean...what the hell else is exciting about the racing at the Otter? Maybe the DS? That'd be aboot it...I'd rather race XC at SO than DH.
 
OGRipper

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stiksandstones said:
This is a rant of an old geezer that likes XC, DH, DS, 4X so do not mind me, I will get slammed, but is that first? surely not. Have a tremendous wednesday.
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How do you feel when XC riders complain about DH and 4X riders getting more coverage and money? Don't you see that you should just be glad anyone on two wheels is getting some coverage?

It's pretty lame to whine about a particular niche getting more coverage than another. It's also pretty lame to dismiss a niche you clearly don't understand.

So friggin' jaded. :disgust1:
 
Tame Ape

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I know exactly where you're coming from. The latest thing in the fixed gear scene (they're friggin' trackbikes!) is urban riding and flatland tricks. Its pretty kooky. I watch Scotty Cranmer kill and then some dude in SF pull 1% of it off and have his buds be blown away.

However progression is always good, even if I can't consistently wrap my head around it.

edit: this is a response to the OP not OGRip
 
stiksandstones

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OGRipper said:
How do you feel when XC riders complain about DH and 4X riders getting more coverage and money? Don't you see that you should just be glad anyone on two wheels is getting some coverage?

It's pretty lame to whine about a particular niche getting more coverage than another. It's also pretty lame to dismiss a niche you clearly don't understand.

So friggin' jaded. :disgust1:
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Ha, I knew you would be the first to bite

I been around a long time, rarely seen an issue of gravity getting more coverage than endurance events-so, your point there is just stupid.

Good point on 'anyone' getting coverage is good-you might have eased my frustration a bit. ;).

And how do I NOT understand huckspinningflips? It is the easiest to understand of every aspect of bicycling, I mean trickery....if you meant to say 'pretty lame to dismiss something you can not do' then you might have a point.

All in all, nice effort, but the usual mess I would expect from you.
 
stiksandstones

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Oh...forgot one other thing OG,

More XC riders are making six figure salaries worldwide than gravity riders, no question about it....
So, another fine point you are 100% wrong on.
 
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stiksandstones said:
Oh...forgot one other thing OG,

More XC riders are making six figure salaries worldwide than gravity riders, no question about it....
So, another fine point you are 100% wrong on.
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Nice dodge.

The actual numbers don't prevent many from complaining anyway. You're the experienced geezer, you know cycling has a proud tradition of infighting and petty jealousy. But maybe you have a hard time admitting it, since you get sucked in too (as evidenced by your post).

100% right.
 
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i'm with you stik.

not that i don't like dirt jumping, but its judged sports
that i don't like. leave djing to the trails for sessions.
 
stiksandstones

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2 more things I will add;

1. Dirt Jumping was just pulled from Xgames (good riddance)
2. No dirt jumper ever has or ever will have the financial reward as the highest paid gravity riders.

Now go behind the trees huckspinners and leave the racing to the (fill in blank).

;)
 
Cant Climb

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stiksandstones said:
I was reading one of those so called DH magazine websites the last couple days and all the excitement for a red bull dirt jump contest at otter has me wondering WTF is going on?
It seems a wee bit sad to me that all these dudes care about is some barspin trickfest? The only thing MTB about any of that crap is MAYBE their forks?.
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I agree 100% i hate that DJ horsecrap..........thoose guys cant hold a candle to anyone on a 20". They all practice in foam pits like a bunch of pansies anyway......

This month i open up BikeMag and see a stupid Smith add with Cam McCaul.........wanted to throw up. When does he where googles and why do i care if he wears Smith sunglasses......?
Wonder if he took EC's Smith money......
 
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Cant Climb said:
I agree 100% i hate that DJ horsecrap..........thoose guys cant hold a candle to anyone on a 20". They all practice in foam pits like a bunch of pansies anyway......

This month i open up BikeMag and see a stupid Smith add with Cam McCaul.........wanted to throw up. When does he where googles and why do i care if he wears Smith sunglasses......?
Wonder if he took EC's Smith money......
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did you read cams article in mountain biking.

:rolleyes:
 
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They should only put pics in mags of riders who can prove that they've podiumed in at least 3 different types of mountain biking on a national level, that way all the adds will be of Tomac and we can reminisce about the 'Glory Days of MTB' with stik and talk about how JT is the best ever biker...
 
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Cant Climb said:
No..........what did i miss..........is he doing something other than trampulines and foampits....?
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he wakes up to realize that he forgot he died his hair black.

rides with his bros, thats fine but i don't want to read about it.

eats a burrito

rides with his bros, thats fine but i don't want to read about it.


i can't believe i got through it, i guess i was waiting for something good.
 
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i just hope some 20 rider like chase hawk or aitken get a 26 and thow down.
 
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stiksandstones said:
I was reading one of those so called DH magazine websites the last couple days and all the excitement for a red bull dirt jump contest at otter has me wondering WTF is going on?
It seems a wee bit sad to me that all these dudes care about is some barspin trickfest? The only thing MTB about any of that crap is MAYBE their forks?

When some of the worlds best DHers, Slalom riders are headed to the otter you think their might be a little bit of excitement to see them in action. There will probably 80% huck coverage devoted to it too but they will all make it up to the DH crowd with classic one liners like "We saw EC on the slalom, he just rips, my favorite rider of all time" duurrrrrrrrr "Now back to John B Nac Flip and our amazing skate pics of the ginormous redbul ramp brah".

This is a rant of an old geezer that likes XC, DH, DS, 4X so do not mind me, I will get slammed, but is that first? surely not. Have a tremendous wednesday.
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Because watered down 20" tricks are the only thing American mt. bike riders are good at right now. it's cool and all, but it pales in comparison to what the bmx crowd is up to. i don't understand why everyone loves it so much, it's like the roller hockey of mt. bike disciplines.
 
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General Lee said:
Because watered down 20" tricks are the only thing American mt. bike riders are good at right now. it's cool and all, but it pales in comparison to what the bmx crowd is up to. i don't understand why everyone loves it so much, it's like the roller hockey of mt. bike disciplines.
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I can't watch dirt jumping comps on any size wheels for more than 15 minutes. It's definitely something that is way more fun to do than to watch. Call me crazy but I feel the same way about downhill racing. I was at Mt Ste Anne for the WC last year and found myself wishing I had my bike to ride rather than watching other people ride. After hiking the course and seeing hundreds or riders go by on every section I was left less than excited. You can never really get the full picture. Sorry for the off topic rant.
 
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This one, for some reason, I've given a fare amount of thought to over the years and I really just look at it like this:

1. Freeride/Freestyle/Park/DJ (which ever name you prefer) is a very liberal, creative, "free spirited" sector of this sport. With very little rules or restrictions, it attracts a great group of riders (as well as DH/DS) that have entertaining personalities and images that are promoted very well. Creativity, individuality, and originality are incubated in the freestyle world, and therefore displayed to the world, accelerating the sport and it's riders. It's also extremely easy to gather large crowds around the good courses/parks for optimal viewing. It's big on things like advertising, product endorsement, style, loud music, and partying! What's not to love... they keep it fun.

2. Racing, in general, has a much more conservative, restrictive environment. Although my discipline of choice, I see that the racing sector has followed more of a stringent regiment, and in the long run seems to be more of a self-defeating program. I compare it to the ski/snowboard world which now has a freestyle/freeride industry that is 20 times larger than it's racing industry. DH & XC has adopted the same promotion practices, regulations, and attitudes of the ski racing industry for years now and the side affects are starting to show. DH racing has done a horrible job getting the proper coverage it's always needed, and with lousy 4x courses and no pro purses at our nats, it's having a tough time bringing in the pro's that we always need at the events.

I'm glad to see any aspect of mountain biking getting coverage, but the stinky administrative attitudes and abnoxious cowbells are not going to work in DH.

Just imagine where freeride (bike and snow) would be if it had 7:30am practices, weeny suits, and random drug testing for the athletes:plthumbsdown: it wouldn't be.
 
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the jump contest is easy to tell its radical from anyones point of view, the guys selling the furry leopard riding shorts even think its cool. They just dont understand that whole going around gates without catching any sick air time. Im going so i can see the flow show myself, discombobulator and the skinnyzilla are there this year, SICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKK
 
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This is a quote from an interview with Cedric Gracia in Dirt #56.

"We copy BMX'ers and Motocross riders in the moves we pull, we copy what already exists. And this is bad. You are not going to have a successful sport if you are copying people. Seriously we need to put stuff together right now because we are jacking off on videos of people doing backflips and 360's and ..hey..come on..seriously (lots of laughing). And then street riding. F..k. Arron Chase is great but next time i see this i will call Dave Mirra and tell him to come and show him what street riding is, because seriously on mountain bikes we look like f..gs. we cannot copy people, we have to make it with a mountain bike atmosphere because if BMXers pick up some magazines and see us doing this they'll pee in their pants."
 
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Watch about 5 minutes of a BMX vid on Fuel TV at 11:30pm on a Tuesday night and you'll know why MTB dirt jams suck. Guys on BMX's doing 15 tricks on a single 2 foot high concrete loading dock the width of a grocery cart...and MTB just got it's first double backflip 10 years later??
 
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I'm pretty surprised at some of the responses. I rode bmx for years and now ride 26. It's fun, and I like it, even for dirt jumping and street. I am stoked to see what the pros are doing, and I don't really care what others are doing on 20's. Should it be a judged contest, as opposed to a demo or something? I don't care, I'll still come out to check it out and cheer.

Ya'll can continue the infighting all you want. Personally, by the time I was 14 I had seen enough petty BS among all the different riding factions to adopt the philisophy of "Two wheels? All good."
 
kidwoo

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how rad would a sea otter gang war be?

buncha mullet sportin oakley blade wearing crusties vs a bunch of skinny chick pant wearing dirtjumpers who's only defense is a smug scowl letting you know they're better than you.......

Now that I would pay to see
 
Cant Climb

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OGRipper said:
I'm pretty surprised at some of the responses. I rode bmx for years and now ride 26. It's fun, and I like it, even for dirt jumping and street. I am stoked to see what the pros are doing, and I don't really care what others are doing on 20's. Should it be a judged contest, as opposed to a demo or something? I don't care, I'll still come out to check it out and cheer.

Ya'll can continue the infighting all you want. Personally, by the time I was 14 I had seen enough petty BS among all the different riding factions to adopt the philisophy of "Two wheels? All good."
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It irks me becasue i would like to see mtb companies support mtb, not 26 DJ/Rampjumpers.....let them do it on their own instead of pilfering......
 
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bizutch said:
Watch about 5 minutes of a BMX vid on Fuel TV at 11:30pm on a Tuesday night and you'll know why MTB dirt jams suck. Guys on BMX's doing 15 tricks on a single 2 foot high concrete loading dock the width of a grocery cart...and MTB just got it's first double backflip 10 years later??
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i just got Fuel TV and it f**king RULES. Props has its own show every sunday night.

also for everyone:




lay off it. So they like to get down on their bikes in a different way than you. so what? does it make you enjoy the time you ride any less? i know a lot of guys that DJ and are into street/park. They put in just as much time as the guys i know that train super hard to increase their fitness level for xc. what do they have in common? they're on bikes and they love what they're doing. if you're sitting here on the internet reading articles about people who ride different styles than you and getting pissed about it, then don't read the articles. simple solution. that or you're in the sport for the wrong reasons.


another perspective: dirt jumps and slopestyle get more media coverage because they're easier to cover. Its in a more consolidated area. Just try and imaging the logistics of trying to have the same amount of coverage (percentage wise) of a dh/xc race as you can get with a jump jam. The nature of the format (having it in a centralized, limitied area) just works better. Plus its easier to draw a crowd when you don't have to hike a mile up a hill only to watch one turn.
 
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stiksandstones said:
Huckjams are gay like american idol=judging.
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nothing worse than borrowing someones copy of the newest d.h. video.
sitting back and realizing that you fast forwarded most of it to get past all the endless boredom of dirt jumping scenes.

the same with magazines.
and all the fuss over urban riding.
my god, how many more wall ride shots do there need to be ??

gimmie more haulin @$$ d.h. action.
 
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Cant Climb said:
It irks me becasue i would like to see mtb companies support mtb, not 26 DJ/Rampjumpers.....let them do it on their own instead of pilfering......
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IT IS MTB. MTB companies sell dirt jump bikes, by supporting jump comps they are just supporting one more niche (and helping themselves sell bikes in the process).

And pilfering what, tricks? BMX'ers are influenced by skaters and motoriders, skaters are influenced by surfers, vice-versa, etc., etc. It's all one big incestuous circle, everyone borrows from their influences and each niche progresses.

JonKranked and 'Woo: :clapping: :clapping:
 
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jonKranked said:
another perspective: dirt jumps and slopestyle get more media coverage because they're easier to cover. Its in a more consolidated area.
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I'm staying out of this thread except to touch on this point, that is nonsense. I do this for a living, covering (shooting) slopestyle is WAY harder than dh. No set lines, no narrow course, no way to know where to set up flashes etc etc.

The park at Cworx is huge, and people hike up a massive hill (probably easily a mile) to get to the top of the course.
 
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Maybe if we cry enough behind our keyboards, those no talent as$ clowns will stop hitting dirt jumps.:lighten:
I love it.
 
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OGRipper said:
IT IS MTB. MTB companies sell dirt jump bikes, by supporting jump comps they are just supporting one more niche (and helping themselves sell bikes in the process).

And pilfering what, tricks? BMX'ers are influenced by skaters and motoriders, skaters are influenced by surfers, vice-versa, etc., etc. It's all one big incestuous circle, everyone borrows from their influences and each niche progresses.

JonKranked and 'Woo: :clapping: :clapping:
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I disagree with most of what your saying but this thread is starting to Veer so i am getting out of it !!!
 
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I'm staying out of this thread except to touch on this point, that is nonsense. I do this for a living, covering (shooting) slopestyle is WAY harder than dh. No set lines, no narrow course, no way to know where to set up flashes etc etc.

The park at Cworx is huge, and people hike up a massive hill (probably easily a mile) to get to the top of the course.
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ok i see what you mean on the slopestyle. I guess I didn't quite convey my point as well as i was hoping - that is, its easier to see a larger portion of the event/race/contest from a single vantage point with a freestyle comp when compared to a dh race.
 
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jonKranked said:
ok i see what you mean on the slopestyle. I guess I didn't quite convey my point as well as i was hoping - that is, its easier to see a larger portion of the event/race/contest from a single vantage point with a freestyle comp when compared to a dh race.
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ya, this is why 4x draws huge crowds at many events, even if it sucks to watch and generally puts spectators to sleep. At least it doesn't take 4 hours to run like slalom does.
 
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3D. said:
This one, for some reason, I've given a fare amount of thought to over the years and I really just look at it like this:

1. Freeride/Freestyle/Park/DJ (which ever name you prefer) is a very liberal, creative, "free spirited" sector of this sport. With very little rules or restrictions, it attracts a great group of riders (as well as DH/DS) that have entertaining personalities and images that are promoted very well. Creativity, individuality, and originality are incubated in the freestyle world, and therefore displayed to the world, accelerating the sport and it's riders. It's also extremely easy to gather large crowds around the good courses/parks for optimal viewing. It's big on things like advertising, product endorsement, style, loud music, and partying! What's not to love... they keep it fun.

2. Racing, in general, has a much more conservative, restrictive environment. Although my discipline of choice, I see that the racing sector has followed more of a stringent regiment, and in the long run seems to be more of a self-defeating program. I compare it to the ski/snowboard world which now has a freestyle/freeride industry that is 20 times larger than it's racing industry. DH & XC has adopted the same promotion practices, regulations, and attitudes of the ski racing industry for years now and the side affects are starting to show. DH racing has done a horrible job getting the proper coverage it's always needed, and with lousy 4x courses and no pro purses at our nats, it's having a tough time bringing in the pro's that we always need at the events.

I'm glad to see any aspect of mountain biking getting coverage, but the stinky administrative attitudes and abnoxious cowbells are not going to work in DH.

Just imagine where freeride (bike and snow) would be if it had 7:30am practices, weeny suits, and random drug testing for the athletes:plthumbsdown: it wouldn't be.
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Hmm, DJ'ers sound like a bunch of hippies. :monkeydance:
 
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i'm still standing behind my comment that the reason DJ/park riding, etc. gets so much play here is because it is the only aspect of mountainbiking that (north?)Americans are any good at these days.

except for Duncan Riffle and . . . yeah, that's about it.
 
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