Hey punkassean, Enduro questions

Zark · Jun 18, 2007

Send Sean a pm. He's not super frequently on here, but he'll help you out.

Bicyclist · Jun 18, 2007

Jimmy Chipwood said:
If you're out there...I have read all your posts concerning the 8.75x2.75 dhx coil you have installed on your enduro. I have a 05 enduro pro that I have loved for the past few years but the stock 5th(that I've been fairly satisfied with) has given up and I want to upgrade to what you have done. I was wondering if I get all the necessary hardware from Fox, Specialized or a combination of both? Just trying to get all my facts straight before I order to minimize my downtime.

Thanks, Dylan

P.S. This is my first post so I would like to congratulate all the monkeys on such an informative site you have here!

You need some Specialized conical washers (DHX specific width), with Fox hardware/reducers. I've done the same conversion. The DHX Coil makes the bike way nicer feeling.

Monkeybidnezz · Jun 18, 2007

Yup, I've done the same conversion. Feels great. My only complaint is that it is a little steeper than I would like since the stroke is a bit longer but the DHX coil feels so much better than the air IMO.

Bicyclist · Jun 18, 2007

That doesn't make sense. The stroke has nothing to do with the head angle, and the i2i is the same as stock. The stroke is longer, so at bottom out the BB is lower and the HA is slacker.

Monkeybidnezz · Jun 18, 2007

Maybe I misunderstood how it works then. I haven't measured the HA, but I swear it feels steeper than before. I thought that Punkass measured his and had said that it was a little steeper too. Anywho, I do remember that the 8.75x2.75 is supposed to match the steep setting of the SX Trail right?

Bicyclist · Jun 18, 2007

The stock shock and the DHX coil have the same i2i length, so nothing is changed as far as geo until you get into the last .25" of stroke, because the DHX has more travel so the bike sags more because there's more room to move.

Biscuit · Jun 18, 2007

I did not get the special washers and it works just fine.

If Sean doesn't respond to PM, you can email him through www.trailslesstraveled.com

*edit* it's also a dhx 5.0, which barely, barely clears. But it clears. (no cap on the air valve)

Bicyclist · Jun 18, 2007

5th washers are thicker than DHX Air/coil washers. Did you convert an 06 that already had a DHX? I tried to make 5th washers work with a DHX and it didn't fit at all. The little convex washers are the different part.

Biscuit · Jun 18, 2007

Hmmm. It was snug, but it fit fine. Weird.

When I first switched, it didn't fit at all, then I "thought" I got the washers mixed up and switched the convex washers around (the ones that go into the cones vs. the spacers that go to the bearings).

I thought I made a mistake.. maybee I didn't. Maybee I did. It fit's fine and works perfectly though. I know someone else who pulled the 5th for a fox on an SX slalom bike with the same washers and has had no issues.

I believe mine is an '05. The brown and black one. I have too many bikes to keep track.

Monkeybidnezz · Jun 18, 2007

Bicyclist said:
The stock shock and the DHX coil have the same i2i length, so nothing is changed as far as geo until you get into the last .25" of stroke, because the DHX has more travel so the bike sags more because there's more room to move.

That makes perfect sense, but for some reason I was under the impression that it was contrary. I think I may have just flip flopped the i2i and the stroke in my head. Anyway, I still recall Punkass mentioning that his HA had steepened for some reason. I'll have go go sort thru that thread again.

Gawd, ok I'm boob...I figured out why I had the HA all messed up in my head. Punkass was describing his HA vs the 06 SXT...yeah my memory wasn't quite working when I recalled that one. Live n learn.
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trailhacker · Jun 18, 2007

I thought the DHX coil was .25" longer i2i than the DHX Air. I think that is where PAS was saying that it steepened it up.
I was thinking about doing the same thing and remember thinking that since I was running my frame in the steep position that with the longer i2i on the coil I could just put it in the slack shock mount postion and everything would still be good.
I think...

***EDIT - just looked at the Spec archive for 2006 and the Enduro's are 8.75x2.5 and the SX Trail are 9x2.75. So its .25" in i2i and stroke.
I talked to FOX when I first got my Enduro (or maybe it was Spec) and they had a DHX coil kit for the Enduro but it was ridiculously expensive. Borderline rip-off IMO. Can't remeber if the shock in the kit was the Enduro size or the Trail size though.

Monkeybidnezz said:
Maybe I misunderstood how it works then. I haven't measured the HA, but I swear it feels steeper than before. I thought that Punkass measured his and had said that it was a little steeper too. Anywho, I do remember that the 8.75x2.75 is supposed to match the steep setting of the SX Trail right?

trailhacker · Jun 19, 2007

Jimmy Chipwood said:
Thanks alot for all the info guys. I am going to order the shock and hardware this week. I might see if I can unload my 36rc2(2005) while I'm waiting for parts and replace it with an 08 to get a little more travel out front while slackening it just a little. Can't quite decide if i'll go with air again or coil. It would be cool to have coil front and rear though for that mini DH feel. Any suggestions on a chain guide that works well on this frame?

Although I like the suppleness of the coil, I prefer the adjustability of the air. Fine tune your geo with the flick of a switch (or turn of the dial in the case of your '05 36). Also, if your using your bike for any climbing the travel reduction is a good thing.

As for a chainguide I had a DRS. But I would run a DRS on any bike. Pretty much foolproof. It did rquire a little dremelling to make it work on the Enduro but it wasn't much.

Bicyclist · Jun 19, 2007

I think you're talking about the old Enduros, trailhacker, with the "Itch Switch". You can't adjust geo without moving an eyelet to a different position on the 05/06 gen.

bikenweed · Jun 19, 2007

I replaced the 5th with a Fox Vanilla R on my '05 SX, and it fit fine. I had to replace one of the male conical washers with a simple, non-conical washer. It might have more friction or something now, but I don't notice it. Even cycling the shock without the spring doesn't show any rough spots. The washer actually flexed into a conical-ish shape, and mates pretty well to the female part of the original washer. It's been fine for over a year now.

My Gamut guides (the p40 and p30) both work GREAT on my SX, but I have them bolted to the ISCG tabs. If the Enduro doesn't have ISCG tabs, the Gamut guide will still work just fine, just order the correct boomerang.

Great bike, I just got back from a ride on mine, and we're leaving for another ride in an hour. Yahoo summer!

gastro · Jun 19, 2007

Biscuit said:
Hmmm. It was snug, but it fit fine. Weird.

When I first switched, it didn't fit at all, then I "thought" I got the washers mixed up and switched the convex washers around (the ones that go into the cones vs. the spacers that go to the bearings).

I thought I made a mistake.. maybee I didn't. Maybee I did. It fit's fine and works perfectly though. I know someone else who pulled the 5th for a fox on an SX slalom bike with the same washers and has had no issues.

I believe mine is an '05. The brown and black one. I have too many bikes to keep track.

If you have the 05 with the coil 5th and the remote resi, you don't need the new washers. I think that's only relevant for the 5th Air which was on the other 05 Enduros.

trailhacker · Jun 19, 2007

What I meant by geo adjust was to turn down the fork travel. Going down in travel will steepen the head angle. Sorry for the confusion.

Bicyclist said:
I think you're talking about the old Enduros, trailhacker, with the "Itch Switch". You can't adjust geo without moving an eyelet to a different position on the 05/06 gen.

Jimmy Chipwood said:
...I was thinking of this being my mini DH bike(for our mini courses)...

I don't know if I would use an Enduro for that. I am not speaking from experience or have any info to back that up but it just doesn't seem solid enough for that.
However, if your DH trails are pretty mellow than it might not be problem.
I keep forgetting that I used to pine for a 3" Judy DH and the frames were even worse. An Enduro with a 36 would have killed about 11-12 years ago...

Ridge Rider · Jun 19, 2007

There is a really long thread on MTBR specialized forum on this subject. Their conclusionis that if you run the 8.75 x 2.75 which has 0.25" more travel and you bottom the shock you will have metal to metal contact between the swing link and the frame. Some claimed that they dremmeled the weld on the swing link and avoided the metal to metal contact.

Push Industries can modify a stock 8.75" shock to have only 2.5" of travel to avoid the problem and custom tune it while their at it. They are doing a Vanilla RC of mine now.

Bicyclist · Jun 19, 2007

You don't have contact, and if you do, it's a tiny bit and you can remove the paint on the seat tube to compensate.

The Enduro is a GREAT mini-DH bike. It's beefy, 6/7" of travel, and it handles great. Dirt Magazine beat their record down their local DH track on an S-works Enduro; the previous faster time was on an M3.

I rode Mammoth for a week on one and it worked great. You make up time in the corners that you lose in the straights.

SXtrailrider · Jun 23, 2007

hey i will try to get around to calling him for you, tell him to stop by RM and pm you

punkassean · Jul 13, 2007

Sorry I didn't find this thread until just now! I'm in the process of mounting a Heckler-specific custom tuned RP23 with large volume air sleeve. This new shock is an 8.5x2.5" so it will maintain the stock travel (150mm) but it will slacken the HT and lower the BB a tiny bit. I will keep the other shocks for awhile until I decide which I like best overall, I may even keep them all or at least two of them for different riding situations.

As far as mounting the DHX coil or DHX air in palce of a 5th, you need a specific fit kit from Fox that has thinner conical washers for the rear mount. You also must press out the DU bushing from the rear eyelet and of course get the proper front mounting hardware as well.

The DRS or SRS or LG1 work great on this frame BTW.

Biscuit · Jul 13, 2007

punkassean said:
I'm in the process of mounting a Heckler-specific custom tuned RP23 with large volume air sleeve. This new shock is an 8.5x2.5" so it will maintain the stock travel (150mm) but it will slacken the HT and lower the BB a tiny bit. I will keep the other shocks for awhile until I decide which I like best overall, I may even keep them all or at least two of them for different riding situations.

That's exactly what I was going to do with a DHX air untill I was able to steal Thiel's DHX off his vp-free (he's been shipped to TX for work).

Monkeybidnezz · Jul 13, 2007

punkassean said:
Sorry I didn't find this thread until just now! I'm in the process of mounting a Heckler-specific custom tuned RP23 with large volume air sleeve. This new shock is an 8.5x2.5" so it will maintain the stock travel (150mm) but it will slacken the HT and lower the BB a tiny bit.

The DRS or SRS or LG1 work great on this frame BTW.

Yeah, please keep us updated. I'm thinking about getting a shorter I2I shock to lower my bb. With the 66 up front, the bb is a bit higher than I would like vs the 36 it replaced.

h22ekhatch · Jul 14, 2007

I have a 05 Enduro Elite with a DHX 5.0 AIR (was a shop upgrade when it purchased).

I keep thinking I will put the DHX coil on it as soon as the air shock blows up, but it is holding up really well. Two trips to Whistler and multiple trips to the local DH places and the DHX AIR keeps going strong.

I am still planning on going coil if I ever need to replace it, but I am starting to think that won't be happening any time soon.

Bicyclist · Jul 15, 2007

You'll probably be fine on the 3.0.

punkassean · Jul 23, 2007

500 sounds like a good starting point. I weigh 150 and am running a350 spring, but that's with the 5.0 and I can tune the boost valve.

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