police brutality video
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...with sh*thead kids that don't realize what happens when you make cops nervous.
Guess what kids, skateboarding IS a crime if there's a law passed against it.
Guess what kids, skateboarding IS a crime if there's a law passed against it.
so the video is blockd at my work 
. Were the kids being punks or anything? I can imagine that they probably were. I once heard a kid say that he hated cops because they beat the crap out of one of his freinds. I asked him why they beat the kid up and apparently he had been throwing rocks at the cops. So they decided to beat the crap out of him, and in case your wondering no it wasnt in this country. That day I relized exactly how messed up peoples perceptions really are.
. Were the kids being punks or anything? I can imagine that they probably were. I once heard a kid say that he hated cops because they beat the crap out of one of his freinds. I asked him why they beat the kid up and apparently he had been throwing rocks at the cops. So they decided to beat the crap out of him, and in case your wondering no it wasnt in this country. That day I relized exactly how messed up peoples perceptions really are.
One of the truest and most accurate statements ever made by anyone.
That's the problem really, it's not that cops are bad, but that a few lose their tempers. They're not longer cops at the point, no longer representing the PD.
And if PDs, mayors, city councils don't start recognizing that those few bad seeds need public reprimand and jail time, then the populace will start fighting back.
It's getting to the point where if I'm only pissing a cop off with words by questioning him about the situation and he pulls his taser, I'm going to defend myself like he's anyone else.
Let us know how that works out for you if we don't see it on America's Funniest Videos first.
On a serious note, do you guys really have that many run-ins with cops? Are all you guys wearing pimp hats and carrying sticks?
The video cut on after the first kid was detained so no, you really have no idea what set the cop off.
But I can say that when I was a kid I experienced many similar situations while skating where I and the people I was skating with did nothing (other than the act of skating) to provoke the officer(s).
One time we were skating in a parking deck when a police car pulled up and told us to quit skating. We said, OK fine (no use in arguing) and went to approach the squad car to talk to the officers like the polite kids we were. When we did, the officers stepped out of the car, drew their weapons and shouted for us to drop our 'weapons' and by weapons, I mean skateboards. We managed to talk the officers down and explain our actions (why we were walking towards their car, we just wanted to talk) but talk about two scared kids, I about shat myself when I saw that gun and so did the other kid I was with.
But I can say that when I was a kid I experienced many similar situations while skating where I and the people I was skating with did nothing (other than the act of skating) to provoke the officer(s).
One time we were skating in a parking deck when a police car pulled up and told us to quit skating. We said, OK fine (no use in arguing) and went to approach the squad car to talk to the officers like the polite kids we were. When we did, the officers stepped out of the car, drew their weapons and shouted for us to drop our 'weapons' and by weapons, I mean skateboards. We managed to talk the officers down and explain our actions (why we were walking towards their car, we just wanted to talk) but talk about two scared kids, I about shat myself when I saw that gun and so did the other kid I was with.
Are you saying that if you truly feel like you've done nothing wrong and suddenly you felt in danger for your well-being, that you'd do nothing?Let us know how that works out for you if we don't see it on America's Funniest Videos first.
That doesn't justify the cops' actions. Same deal as the guy on the bike riding away from the airport. He probobly could have avoided what happened, but his wise ass remarks didn't justify the what the cop did to him.
As per my post above (re: run in's with the law), I learned that a few simple polite, yes sir, no sir's will keep you out of trouble and out of the cuffs and have you on your way much quicker than having an attitude.
Besides running, what are you gonna do? Attack a cop?
That always works out swell.
I've also learned that if you run, they'll just grab one of your friends who will then just rat you out. Simple polite, yes sir, no sir's are all that are needed. It's just about fostering a sense of respect (earned or not).
Running away sounds like the worst option. I agree that legally, it's a can of worms, but don't be surprised when people who don't deserved to get tasered start defending themselves as soon as a cop pulls his weapon.
Sooner or later, it'll happen and will be proved that the cop acted incorrectly and the civilian will get away with self-defense.
That's why PDs, mayors need to get proactive about this, to keep the public's faith.
You're an idiot.
TRANSLATED: I misunderstood what you meant, didn't care enough to follow-up, and wanted to feel superior, so here's an insult.
You should be used to that by now Sanjuro
My guess is that DRB thinks LordOpie isn't very smart ... but that is just a guess.
You are an utterly foolish or senseless person.
I just find it odd that alot of you guys seem to have the "cops are out to get me" attitude. It seems strange for normal adults.
As a teen, I had all kind of encounters with cops because I was doing dumb ass teenager things. Then, I either ran when I could get away by foot (which always worked out great for me BTW
) or I kissed ass and apologized.
But now it just seems insane to wake up in the morning worrying if I am gonna get tazed today. Are mass tazings happening all across the country or something?
As a teen, I had all kind of encounters with cops because I was doing dumb ass teenager things. Then, I either ran when I could get away by foot (which always worked out great for me BTW
) or I kissed ass and apologized.But now it just seems insane to wake up in the morning worrying if I am gonna get tazed today. Are mass tazings happening all across the country or something?
So you're saying that the police has ZERO Public Relations issues? You're saying that a simple pro-active solution is not necessary, that there's no chance that the police are losing the respect of the public and that there's no real chance of the situation escalating over the next 10 years?
Where did you purchase your rose colored sunglasses? And do they make them for men?
looks like young punks getting what they should........i bet manimal would have just shot the kid..............
Hot Springs Officer On Administrative Leave, After Skateboarding Arrests
Reported by: Stephanie Jackson, KARK 4 News
Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 @01:25pm
Hot Springs Police announce today, Officer Joseph Williams is on paid administrative leave, while an investigation is conducted into his actions during the arrests of six individuals. Police say on June 21, the group was skateboarding on the sidewalks, then fled when an officer tried to stop them. They face charges of resisting arrest, battery, and fleeing.
Hot Springs Police say it is a violation of a city ordinance to skateboard on the city sidewalks.
In a video on the website YouTube, Officer Williams appears to be choking and wrestling some of the skateboarders. Police say four of the six arrested are juveniles.
"Evidently from the video, there were some things in it that our administration didn't like or they wanted to investigate. So therefore, he was placed on administrative leave," says Officer McCrary Means with the Hot Springs Police Department.
At least one resident who works in the Bathhouse Row area where the incident occured says there's been problems with skaters there for awhile and he feels the arrests were warranted.
"I think it's pretty fair 'cause there's signs posted everywhere that say no skateboarding on the sidewalks, not only that but I work downtown and it's running away all my business," says area resident John Thompson.
Officer Williams has been with the Hot Springs Police Department for just under two years.
Reported by: Stephanie Jackson, KARK 4 News
Tuesday, Jun 26, 2007 @01:25pm
Hot Springs Police announce today, Officer Joseph Williams is on paid administrative leave, while an investigation is conducted into his actions during the arrests of six individuals. Police say on June 21, the group was skateboarding on the sidewalks, then fled when an officer tried to stop them. They face charges of resisting arrest, battery, and fleeing.
Hot Springs Police say it is a violation of a city ordinance to skateboard on the city sidewalks.
In a video on the website YouTube, Officer Williams appears to be choking and wrestling some of the skateboarders. Police say four of the six arrested are juveniles.
"Evidently from the video, there were some things in it that our administration didn't like or they wanted to investigate. So therefore, he was placed on administrative leave," says Officer McCrary Means with the Hot Springs Police Department.
At least one resident who works in the Bathhouse Row area where the incident occured says there's been problems with skaters there for awhile and he feels the arrests were warranted.
"I think it's pretty fair 'cause there's signs posted everywhere that say no skateboarding on the sidewalks, not only that but I work downtown and it's running away all my business," says area resident John Thompson.
Officer Williams has been with the Hot Springs Police Department for just under two years.
Yep, Im sure that no one is going to his store because of all the skateboarding going on.
edit: Awww you beat me to it stinky
I deal with teenage kids on a daily basis for 10 and 1/2 months of the year.
these kids may have been braking the "no skatebording on the sidewalks law" but from what I saw the kids were pretty respectful and asking very resonable questions. It wasn't until the Cop seamed like he was being pretty forceful for no reason and the kid with the still camera said " he was choking (name) and I got a picture of it." no one was being disrespectful in my oppinion... and then it seamed as if the cop felt threatened by the kid having evidence of brutality, and he snapped... I could kinda see the turning point. If I were the kid with the camera... I probably would have run as well.
after that... all the kids were just standing around still pretty respectful! Then the cop went off cause the kids were asking questions!
I don't think that is right. I think this cop has some issues that need to be worked out! He def. shouldn't be back on the job with his lack of communication with people skills, and his lack of self control!
With all of His posts that I have read, I think Manimal would have probably talked a little more to the kids and explained some more of what was going on etc. rather than tackling the kids and then saying "look see the blood on my knee? that is Battery!" I love that line.
these kids may have been braking the "no skatebording on the sidewalks law" but from what I saw the kids were pretty respectful and asking very resonable questions. It wasn't until the Cop seamed like he was being pretty forceful for no reason and the kid with the still camera said " he was choking (name) and I got a picture of it." no one was being disrespectful in my oppinion... and then it seamed as if the cop felt threatened by the kid having evidence of brutality, and he snapped... I could kinda see the turning point. If I were the kid with the camera... I probably would have run as well.
after that... all the kids were just standing around still pretty respectful! Then the cop went off cause the kids were asking questions!
I don't think that is right. I think this cop has some issues that need to be worked out! He def. shouldn't be back on the job with his lack of communication with people skills, and his lack of self control!
With all of His posts that I have read, I think Manimal would have probably talked a little more to the kids and explained some more of what was going on etc. rather than tackling the kids and then saying "look see the blood on my knee? that is Battery!" I love that line.
I have had a few run ins with the cops in my area. The do not mind bikers and skaters, they have had to put up with dudes like aaron chase and ludwick riding around back in the day so i think many of them know how to deal with bikers. Also up here people are more chill, not all beating eachother down for skating on a sidewalk.
Ohh yeah, thats probably becuase there arent many sidewalks
nah, being an ex-skater (not a good one) and with as much street riding as i do, i just tell them where to go skate that no one will hassle them. skaters don't realize the politics and money that go into a lot of building structures in cities and why local jurisdictions make laws preventing skating in those areas. the town i live in built a skatepark to help keep the kids off of the important structures.looks like young punks getting what they should........i bet manimal would have just shot the kid..............
as far as the actions of these officers.....without the provoking actions we may never know the true story but just from the initial video, i think he could've handled it a little more smoothly....but then again, we don't have any background on these kids or the situation. i've taken down many a punk that has taken a threatening posture and it probably looked like i was choking him because the dynamics of taking someone to the ground usually involve the control center. it looks like a choke but i just keep my hands around the collarbone/side of the neck area where i can control and detect any movements the person is making...but i don't choke. the public has a hard time noticing the difference.
the kid took off running, therefore, obstructing/delaying the officer in his duties and that is an arrestable offense in NC and most other states.
L.O., i understand what you're saying about people testing the police and it happens all the time. hell, the LA riots in '92 weren't about rodney king, it was a pissing contest between the chief of police and the leader of the Folk nation, Larry Hoover.....obviously, the police lost that battle. with that in mind, do you think that cops are going to show any signs of weakness when confronted? if society agrees on the laws through voting those people who make them into office then isn't it important for law and order to be maintained? the problem now is that no one respects or understands the vital importance of maintaining order and the consequences that arise from challenging the law. it's sad to admit but many modern parents do not instill any form of discipline or respect for authority in their children which leaves it up to the kids to learn the hard way by challenging us....and we can't let it slide. it is imperative to the prevention of anarchy for the people to know that physically challenging the police carries with it sharp consequences.
i have yet to hear a legitimate story of alleged police brutality that didn't begin with the "victim" breaking the law in the first place. "i was only breaking into this house when the officer tazed me and i fell onto a sharp stick and cut my leg.....i'm gonna sue!" so the moral is, take responsibility for yourself and you'll never have a run-in with the police anyway.
I am in no way suggesting that cops shouldn't maintain authority, I am not saying that cops don't have a difficult job, nor am I saying that cops should change their procedures.
What I am saying is that those bad seeds -- 1 in a 1000? -- should be dealt with severely by the PD and mayor's office.
Since this is one of the hardest jobs in the world, I am completely against affirmative action for cops. Only the absolutely best should be allowed on the streets.
And the PD, etc need to communicate this to the public.
I like the fact that you take the time to explain to kids the politics and that you offer a solution. I also think that all cops should take that stance and if they did what you do, not only would situations not escalate, but also increase the relationship between authority and civilians.
Most situations should never escalate, cops should get more training in passive control. Cops should never ever get emotional about anything. Yes, they're human, but they need more training if they ever get frustrated or upset.
And I don't know where you live, but here, there's at least two-three situations a year where a cop fvcks up. Like shooting a retarded kid at 20 feet in the chest cuz he had a butter knife.
Those stories should NEVER happen. The excuse that cops are human is insufficient. Cops should never get emotional about a situation and never have such poor judgement.
What I am saying is that those bad seeds -- 1 in a 1000? -- should be dealt with severely by the PD and mayor's office.
Since this is one of the hardest jobs in the world, I am completely against affirmative action for cops. Only the absolutely best should be allowed on the streets.
And the PD, etc need to communicate this to the public.
I like the fact that you take the time to explain to kids the politics and that you offer a solution. I also think that all cops should take that stance and if they did what you do, not only would situations not escalate, but also increase the relationship between authority and civilians.
Most situations should never escalate, cops should get more training in passive control. Cops should never ever get emotional about anything. Yes, they're human, but they need more training if they ever get frustrated or upset.
Really? What about the bicyclist in MN just recently? We don't know all the facts, but it sure sounds like the cop was a c0ck.
And I don't know where you live, but here, there's at least two-three situations a year where a cop fvcks up. Like shooting a retarded kid at 20 feet in the chest cuz he had a butter knife.
Those stories should NEVER happen. The excuse that cops are human is insufficient. Cops should never get emotional about a situation and never have such poor judgement.
Retards are absurdly strong.
He could have thrown that butter knife straight through the cop's chest.
Yeah, because I am always serious on here.
On a serious note though, Did you know that cops will not shoot you in the knee or any of that stuff you see in the movies?
They are taught to only fire their weapons to kill.
Running was stupid, but grabbing the around the neck was a bit much too.
I've gotten worse for less when I was kid. Live and learn.
I've gotten worse for less when I was kid. Live and learn.
i agree completely as long as the officer receives the same type of investigation given to any other lawbreaker.
i also agree but until the citys/counties/townships realize this and pay us as the professionals we have to be, you won't see much change in the recruitment policy. (although, most, if not all agencies nowadays require a college degree)
and most cops will resort to this type of enforcement if the situation permits, but there are plenty of times where small talk is just not possible and immediate control must be taken back.
are you nuts? could you avoid any type of emotion dealing with this crap every day? cops must live by the "reasonable-ness" code. we get tons of training in "passive control," it's called "verbal judo" but there is a point when going round and round with "passive control" just doesn't get the job done.
shooting anyone at 21' or less that is wielding a knife is always justified regardless of the persons mental capacity. sure, the officer could have tried to talk the subject down and most will try that, however, it is a basic fact of phyics and physiology that a person can cover 21' and stab an officer before he/she can draw and fire their weapon. even the supreme court recognizes the "21' rule." did the cop know the kid was handicapped? could a butter knife kill you L.O? i'm pretty sure it could. i'm not debating that particular incident, just showing you that most civilians don't understand the dangerous possibilities that are present with an armed subject. all most people see is some cop shooting/tazing some poor dude that just deserved to be heard
so if cops are expected to be more than human...what should we be? robots unable to use discretion therefore handling the law to the book just as the public does to us? if i find a few grams of weed in your pocket, i can either write you a ticket or arrest you. if we are not allowed to have discretion (judgement) than you would get stuck with an arrest everytime. it's a double standard...we can be lenient to you for breaking the law but the law is never lenient towards us if we make a mistake? being human is the most important part of the job, IMO, because it allows me to try and understand you situation and empathize if necessary but god forbid if i ever make a mistake whiel doing so
there wasn't an ounce of brutality in that video. If you want to talk about that still picture that is shown before the video is shot...that kid seems real concerned about that occurrence as he asks his friend to "not forget his skateboard."
just a bunch of bratty ass punks who probably weren't spanked as kids. Had the kids started off respecting authority and not questioning what was happening while the officer was vulnerable it would have been done differently. Those kids provoked that situation %100.
What I see is a cop on the ground trying to make an arrest
three kids with skateboards in their hands surround him. I use kids loosely, as two of them were 21 and 19.
One kid motions as if he's going to run.
The officer says stop
The kid runs
kid in white and girl leave
kid and white and girl come back stomping like theyre on some kind of mission
officer sits arresstee on chair
girl gets in his grill
officer tells her to sit down
she says no and walks away
officer tries to grab her
she shakes it off
he gets her in a painless headlock
her friend tries to touch the officer and gets put in a headlock too
kids laugh and joke on camera
dont start no **** there wont be no ****
just a bunch of bratty ass punks who probably weren't spanked as kids. Had the kids started off respecting authority and not questioning what was happening while the officer was vulnerable it would have been done differently. Those kids provoked that situation %100.
What I see is a cop on the ground trying to make an arrest
three kids with skateboards in their hands surround him. I use kids loosely, as two of them were 21 and 19.
One kid motions as if he's going to run.
The officer says stop
The kid runs
kid in white and girl leave
kid and white and girl come back stomping like theyre on some kind of mission
officer sits arresstee on chair
girl gets in his grill
officer tells her to sit down
she says no and walks away
officer tries to grab her
she shakes it off
he gets her in a painless headlock
her friend tries to touch the officer and gets put in a headlock too
kids laugh and joke on camera
dont start no **** there wont be no ****
You can't just program human nature out of a person, especially on a municipal little city level. The military can't even train that out on a Navy Seal level.
they're trained to shoot to stop the threat, not to kill, but yes they are trained to shoot center mass.Yeah, because I am always serious on here.
On a serious note though, Did you know that cops will not shoot you in the knee or any of that stuff you see in the movies?
They are taught to only fire their weapons to kill.
and people such as Frank Borelli have furthered that study and show that people are capable of action for up to 16 seconds after being shot thru the heart! http://www.borelliconsulting.com/articles/21feet.htm , good read for you law dogi
shooting anyone at 21' or less that is wielding a knife is always justified regardless of the persons mental capacity. sure, the officer could have tried to talk the subject down and most will try that, however, it is a basic fact of phyics and physiology that a person can cover 21' and stab an officer before he/she can draw and fire their weapon. even the supreme court recognizes the "21' rule." did the cop know the kid was handicapped? could a butter knife kill you L.O? i'm pretty sure it could. i'm not debating that particular incident, just showing you that most civilians don't understand the dangerous possibilities that are present with an armed subject. all most people see is some cop shooting/tazing some poor dude that just deserved to be heard
"Discretion" is no excuse for losing control. How about enforcing the laws objectively and consitenty instead of subjectively and "whatever kind of mood I'm in today."
Cops ought to be held to a higher standard than anyone. How can they possibly expect to gain anyones respect (not fear, respect), if they don't follow the same law they enforce, and apply the law consistently?
What a tough guy, beating up 13 year-olds. F-ing pathetic.
Cops ought to be held to a higher standard than anyone. How can they possibly expect to gain anyones respect (not fear, respect), if they don't follow the same law they enforce, and apply the law consistently?
What a tough guy, beating up 13 year-olds. F-ing pathetic.
While the kids were likley being punkish, that cop did appear to have a chip on his shoulder. You'd think a cop would have the wisdom to know that it's all about the crazy hormones and angst and all that. He should be a bigger man than to let a group of 15 year-olds get under his skin......it's like he was trying to impress someone.