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matt12

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So this thread is interesting for me...

Right now I've got a 97 Legacy Outback and I've got a roof rack with a couple yakima king cobras up there.

I thought about going the hitch rack route, but wasn't sure about it on that car? Now I've seen a ton of people do it and it looks alright in terms of clearance for a T2 and whatnot.

Could someone recommend me a hitch (can I do a 2" so I can get the 4 bike version?)

I'd be stoked to switch to the hitch mount setup. I'm tired of getting crappy gas mileage with DH bikes on top, having them sway around when I take turns too fast, and having to lift bikes up there after I hurt myself riding...
 
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skibum3789

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Jm_ said:
Yep, saabs are so good that they had subaru make a car for them, the 9-3x, same car as the wrx.
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Actually it is the 9-2x, and that is not saab. that is GM under the saab name. The 9-2x is a wrx and the 9-7x is a trailblazer. the 04 and previous 9-3, 9-5, and 9-5 wagon are all saab engines, and the 02 and older models were still produced in trollhatten sweden. touche jack@ss
 
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skibum3789

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which by the way, means that GM also produces the wrx right here in the usa, not australia like you may be led to believe by the commercials. really a well thought out arguement though
 
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skibum3789 said:
which by the way, means that GM also produces the wrx right here in the usa, not australia like you may be led to believe by the commercials. really a well thought out arguement though
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Well, not exactly. My WRX comes from Fuji Heavy Industries in Japan. Legacies and foresters are made in the US. I'm not sure about the licensed vehicles, if that's what you're talking about (the Saab Subaru), but I think I can easily say "touche" with this. I'll take a picture of the car's data plate if you don't think it's true, but Imprezas have come from japan for a while.
 
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skibum3789 said:
Actually it is the 9-2x, and that is not saab. that is GM under the saab name. The 9-2x is a wrx and the 9-7x is a trailblazer. the 04 and previous 9-3, 9-5, and 9-5 wagon are all saab engines, and the 02 and older models were still produced in trollhatten sweden. touche jack@ss
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Yeah, so much for Saab. In other words; Saab has no problem farming out to other manufacturers...hmm...
 
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flat broke

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Just because a domestic automaker owns a foriegn automaker, doesn't make the foriegn auto maker's product crap by default. Look at Land Rover. They were known for being typical Brittish automobiles ;) But after Ford got their hands on them, they actually improved in terms of reliability. With many of Ford and GM's purchases of Euro mfgs, the focus wasn't so much to put GM or Ford badges on those vehicles, but rather to gain market share on a golbal scale, and purchase intellectual property associated with the purchased company. As an example Ford was very upfront when buying Volvo. They were after some of the IP on many of the safety features found in the Volvo line.

Anyhow, to bring the relevance back to this thread; Yes, the 9-2X is a Suby. Yes the WRX is made in Japan. And Yes, even the current crop of Saabs pruduced under GM ownership (excluding the 9-7X) are solid automobiles.

Chris
 
gideon

gideon

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Aug 15, 2004
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we looked at subaru, b4 getting audi, coulda got a new one for what we paid for the used allroad
wanted space to throw our stuff and occasionally bring ppl to the slopes (we snowboard too)
I think the wrx rear seats are prob not too comfy, esp with ski/snow boots on
we also had mileage in mind when moving on from the pathfinder ~17, so much for that thought as the allroad ~15-18 (always have racks and sometimes bikes)
also wanted base hp
forester pretty spacious as the outbackish type wagons
but they came stock at ~220 the most (at the time we looked)
only the 4 door wrx had 300hp (again at the time we looked)

a friend of mine also mentioned, there's nothing like the interior of a german car, solid, quiet, well thought out (perhaps some other luxuries too) after all you spend all your time inside the car, why not make it more enjoyable

the ar does require keeping on top of it tho, def not a do nothing car like the ar,
in fact we just sprung 3500 for an aftermarket service plan cuz ours is just about out of its 50k warranty
but it's hella fun to drive (this was not is sport mode and with 1 cylinder down, b4 warranty work)
Click here to watch allroad-up-bear-mtn

we also looked at the toureag v10 tdi (super power, decent milage), but fvck, talk about dollas

they need to make a green, super high power, 4wd that has good ground clearance and ample people and storage room and also handles well

how about hitch, roof and safari?
that's what you really need if you want to dh in style
before we sold her
check out the sqauat in the rear, i couldnt even imaging what kinda of hurt you'd put on a lighter weight vehicle with hitch rack and gear



 
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I know I'm pissing on the euro parade but have you considered a Dodge Magnum? Chrysler just announced a lifetime drivetrain warranty which may end up in monthly trips to the dealer for repairs, but it limits the cost. Just throwing that out there, I'm sure you could find a brand new Magnum for the cost of a well used European wagon. Not srue if the SRT8 is covered by the lifetime warranty, but it should be plenty fast enough for most of us.

A mini van wouldn't be as fun to drive, but much more practical, for the same cost as a do everything wagon you could buy something reliable and economical like a '02 Toyota Sienna, or Honda Oddesey for hauling gear or passengers then pick up some mid '90's sleeper like an Eagle Talon AWD to play in.
 
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gideon

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Aug 15, 2004
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thats a nice car too, is it rear wheel drive? ie how would it do in the snow?
the jeep with the crazy motor is too
interiors prolly aint as nice

i think they both get like 12mpg, prolly less if u punch it, and why wouldnt ya
 
Mani_UT

Mani_UT

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Kornphlake said:
I know I'm pissing on the euro parade but have you considered a Dodge Magnum? ..Not srue if the SRT8 is covered by the lifetime warranty, but it should be plenty fast enough for most of us..
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:ban:

Seriously: Absolutely worst visibility through the tiny windows, may be 16mpg if you're lucky (vs 25mpg with a 2.7T Allroad). Na thanks. Is it even 4WD?
 
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Kornphlake

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Mani_UT said:
:ban:

Seriously: Absolutely worst visibility through the tiny windows, may be 16mpg if you're lucky (vs 25mpg with a 2.7T Allroad). Na thanks. Is it even 4WD?
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I haven't sat in either vehicle so I can't comment. Yes awd is an option. Again I wasn't saying it was the best option, just one that hadn't been mentioned, as far as handling it's got to be at least as good as the suburban mentioned earlier...

I'd take some reliability and low cost (ie free) repairs over a few miles per gallon. I think 25mpg may be a bit optomistic under real driving conditions with average male driving habits, I'll agree that anything less than 20mpg is really pretty dismal, I haven't looked up the actual epa estimates for the hemi equipped Magnum, but people who are thinking about a $600/mo car payment usually aren't too concerned about $600/mo in gasoline. Take a look at Ford super duty sales.
 
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dirttastesgood

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Mani_UT said:
:ban:

Seriously: Absolutely worst visibility through the tiny windows, may be 16mpg if you're lucky (vs 25mpg with a 2.7T Allroad). Na thanks. Is it even 4WD?
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yeah got one of those as a rental car. it felt like being avolvo with a big rock on top
 
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flat broke

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Back in the 60s/70s, the Chrysler/Dodge slogan was "put a Dodge in your garage". What they really meant to say was "put a Dodge in your garage and leave it there!"

A 100k warranty is great, and with Chrysler's reliability record, you'll be taking advantage of it frequently. I've had 3 friends with crap Dodge trucks. All of them had chronic transmission and climate control issues; and one was so bad, my buddy got rid of the thing through the lemon law. Then a previous co-worker had a brand spankin new Jeep Grand Cherokee, that would just drop dead on the freeway for no aparent reason. After almost getting her 5 year old son killed in a near miss loss situation because of the sudden loss of power (no power brakes, no power steering, etc), she also went the lemon law route and upgraded to a Landy. The Magnum with the SRT8 will move out, but it comes from a pedigree of crap, not worth the worry/hassle.

I wasn't trying to talk anyone out of the Allroad, just throwing out some other sugestions based upon my positive experience with my Suby. Now if someone was seriously looking at a Chrysler, I'd become an overnight post whore trying to avert that disaster :)

Chris
 
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davep

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matt12 said:
So this thread is interesting for me...

Right now I've got a 97 Legacy Outback and I've got a roof rack with a couple yakima king cobras up there.

I thought about going the hitch rack route, but wasn't sure about it on that car? Now I've seen a ton of people do it and it looks alright in terms of clearance for a T2 and whatnot.

Could someone recommend me a hitch (can I do a 2" so I can get the 4 bike version?)

I'd be stoked to switch to the hitch mount setup. I'm tired of getting crappy gas mileage with DH bikes on top, having them sway around when I take turns too fast, and having to lift bikes up there after I hurt myself riding...
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There are no stock 2" hitches for that car. You can get one made custom or have a hitch place weld a 2" reciever on a 1.25 stock hitch. I have a 2000 Outback ltd and went through all this about two years ago. The hitch ended up at about $200 total (for a stock draw-tite and the mod) then added the T2. Usually only has two bikes on it but it will hold up to 4 no prob. The back end sits low when loaded w/ people and gear and 4 bikes though...
 
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SBDHrida

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I dont know why this suburban keeps coming up, I'm not sure if I'd ever consider an American car of that size and obesity. As for the dodge, remember offroad ability is of some concern. Plus, if I get a realy low wagon, I want it to be able to actually turn, a feat which american motor companies have yet to comprehend.
 
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As packed as this thread is, I couldn't resist throwing in my .02. The last 2 cars I have owned were a Volvo wagon and a Pathfinder (current). I also own a hitch rack, roof rack, and small utility trailer. Unless you own an SUV with a fairly stiff suspension, I would not recomend putting more than 2 DH bikes on the back. 3 bikes + gear + riders = a whole lot 'o weight on the rear axle. Splitting the bikes between a hitch and the roof would spread the load out better, but I HATE roof racks. Its already been said in this thread: It only takes a small error to damage your roof. Even if you have factory rails, you still need to worry about dropping your bike, as well as sand and stuff getting ground into the paint. While I had a roof rack on my Volvo, scratches would seem to come out of nowhere. Sand would fall off of the tires, then get ground in every time I touched the roof. Roof racks also can have stability and gas issues. If you are still thinking Allroad vs LR3, I would split the difference and get the Allroad and put a small trailer on it. It will be much less wear and tear on the suspension and you'll be left with a car that is way more fun to drive for the 99% of the time that you are not hauling bikes. Trailers are also nice b/c you can keep all of your nasty gear far away from your nice interior. Much easier to keep the car clean.
I even had to put stiffer springs on my Pathfinder. With 2 bikes on the back, one on the roof, 3 people, plus all of the gear inside the truck and in my Thule roof box, the rear suspension would bottom pretty bad. I have no suspension issues with the trailer.
 
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gideon said:
they need to make a green, super high power, 4wd that has good ground clearance and ample people and storage room and also handles well
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Sounds nice, but super high power = more gas. How much power you get is a direct result of how much gas and oxygen you can cram into the cylinders, so more power = less green. The best you can do is desiel (forget about lots of acceleration) or a turbo (good milege when you're not in the turbo-range). Otherwise, you're bigger displacement engines are wasting lots of gas due to their excessive size that is not necessary except for those situations where you need all that power.
 
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flat broke said:
Just because a domestic automaker owns a foriegn automaker, doesn't make the foriegn auto maker's product crap by default. Look at Land Rover. They were known for being typical Brittish automobiles ;) But after Ford got their hands on them, they actually improved in terms of reliability.
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That's not really saying a lot considering that you're comparing to ford reliability...
 
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I have an 04 allroad 2.7t

DON'T BUY IT!

They have horrible reliability. Mine's got around 60,000 miles and has had countless problems.

If any wagon, go Subaru. My Legacy wagon has 220,000+ miles with never a single issue.
 
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flat broke

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Actually the point I was trying to make is that even though domestic MFG vehicles have the stigma of being junk, Ford was able to improve upon the state of affairs with regard to reliability. It's all relative, but at least they didn't make the situation any worse.

Chris
 
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gideon

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Jm_ said:
Sounds nice, but super high power = more gas. How much power you get is a direct result of how much gas and oxygen you can cram into the cylinders, so more power = less green. The best you can do is desiel (forget about lots of acceleration) or a turbo (good milege when you're not in the turbo-range). Otherwise, you're bigger displacement engines are wasting lots of gas due to their excessive size that is not necessary except for those situations where you need all that power.
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We all love quoter's, don't we?
Touareg V10 Turbo Diesel 300hp, 550lbs torque ~25mpg
Let's not forget about the weight of a vehicle too, F=M*V
 
dirttastesgood

dirttastesgood

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Spokompton said:
I have an 04 allroad 2.7t

DON'T BUY IT!

They have horrible reliability. Mine's got around 60,000 miles and has had countless problems.

If any wagon, go Subaru. My Legacy wagon has 220,000+ miles with never a single issue.
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your probably just an idiot. allroads kick subaru's ass's. and for all you subaru lovers, anyone else see the article in the new york times a few months back saying what car companys advertise towards gay people, Subaru(lezbaru), mazda miata, mini cooper, vw bug
 
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gideon said:
We all love quoter's, don't we?
Touareg V10 Turbo Diesel 300hp, 550lbs torque ~25mpg
Let's not forget about the weight of a vehicle too, F=M*V
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Really, then why is it rated for 15mpg city and 20 highway? Not to mention that if you drive it to "use" that power, you'll probably do much worse.

How much better would that 20mpg be if it used a 4cyl diesel?

The toureg has a green rating of 1. It doesn't get any worse than that. You don't buy a toureg to be "green". You buy one because you "think" you need 300hp.


http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2007_Volkswagen_Touareg.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2008_Volkswagen_Touareg.shtml
 
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gideon said:
and if you only have 1 bike, put it inside
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Or two bikes will fit in no problem. I had a Golf wagon size car and you could fit three bike and three guy without a problem and you don't ruin aerodynamics of the car but here in the US I very rarely see anybody with the bike inside the car even big SUV owners. I remember in Top Gear they said that it would cost more in gas to have bikes on top of the car than to ship them when driving on vacation in Europe. Plus the bike is protected from theft and weather.
 
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Jm_ said:
Really, then why is it rated for 15mpg city and 20 highway? Not to mention that if you drive it to "use" that power, you'll probably do much worse.

How much better would that 20mpg be if it used a 4cyl diesel?

The toureg has a green rating of 1. It doesn't get any worse than that. You don't buy a toureg to be "green". You buy one because you "think" you need 300hp.


http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2007_Volkswagen_Touareg.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2008_Volkswagen_Touareg.shtml
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It seems that u are one of those internet posters gets off by to challenging and arguing

Jm_ said:
The toureg has a green rating of 1. It doesn't get any worse than that.
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Of course there are worse, any full size suv or other heavy vehicle

having a fast car, or nice bike(s) or nice other things is fun
This car is a performance car, but then again I guess any performance car is evil and anyone who owns one should be killed

If i drove it everyday to commute, like all to many suburban sprawlers, contributing to traffic, smog, etc then I'd get a prius or something

Been riding a bicycle to work for the last 7yrs, and now work from home, only use it to get to the mtns and trails
Prolly only put 6k mi per year or less

I guess I better cancel that order of baby harp seal fur toilet paper


 
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flat broke

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dirttastesgood said:
your probably just an idiot. allroads kick subaru's ass's. and for all you subaru lovers, anyone else see the article in the new york times a few months back saying what car companys advertise towards gay people, Subaru(lezbaru), mazda miata, mini cooper, vw bug
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Man, I'm glad that you have a quick and easy place to look and tell you how to feel about people, products, and places. The New York Times said, so it must be true. Does that mean you'll only buy bikes based upon what demographic the mfg advertises to? And of course, every world event that is reported in the Times happened just as it was written. I hate to be a dick, but when your contribution about the performance of vehicles is prefaced with, "my mom has..." your credibilty is going to come up short. After you've paid for, paid the maintenance costs, and literally logged over 550,00 miles in various autombiles ranging from 11 second canyon carving Chevelles, to classic Porsches, to Euro coupes and sedans, to SUVs, light trucks, and even the odd Subaru, you may have a slightly different perspective on what kicks whats ass.

As far as the Allroad kicking a Subaru's ass; yes on the top end it is a faster car. It has a nicer interior with more room, and it also costs about $13k more for an 05 2.7 through a dealer, than a Suby Legacy 2.5GT wagon. Even better is the 15k more it costs over a WRX wagon which has well documented zero to 60 times that are quicker than the Allroad 2.7. Then there is the reliability.

As I said before, I've got nothing against the Allroad, but the "Allroads kick Subaru's asses" comment is only valid if you look at a the vehicle from a limited perspective. The Allroad is nice, but there are multiple facets to a vehicle that play into what kicks ass for each different buyer. The bottom line, Subys don't suck, and for plenty of folks the WRX or Legacy GT wagons kick ass for one reason or another over any Audi.

Chris
 
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dirttastesgood

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flat broke said:
Man, I'm glad that you have a quick and easy place to look and tell you how to feel about people, products, and places. The New York Times said, so it must be true. Does that mean you'll only buy bikes based upon what demographic the mfg advertises to? And of course, every world event that is reported in the Times happened just as it was written. I hate to be a dick, but when your contribution about the performance of vehicles is prefaced with, "my mom has..." your credibilty is going to come up short. After you've paid for, paid the maintenance costs, and literally logged over 550,00 miles in various autombiles ranging from 11 second canyon carving Chevelles, to classic Porsches, to Euro coupes and sedans, to SUVs, light trucks, and even the odd Subaru, you may have a slightly different perspective on what kicks whats ass.

As far as the Allroad kicking a Subaru's ass; yes on the top end it is a faster car. It has a nicer interior with more room, and it also costs about $13k more for an 05 2.7 through a dealer, than a Suby Legacy 2.5GT wagon. Even better is the 15k more it costs over a WRX wagon which has well documented zero to 60 times that are quicker than the Allroad 2.7. Then there is the reliability.

As I said before, I've got nothing against the Allroad, but the "Allroads kick Subaru's asses" comment is only valid if you look at a the vehicle from a limited perspective. The Allroad is nice, but there are multiple facets to a vehicle that play into what kicks ass for each different buyer. The bottom line, Subys don't suck, and for plenty of folks the WRX or Legacy GT wagons kick ass for one reason or another over any Audi.

Chris
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haha. i've grown up around vintage car racing. my dads owned mutiple porche's and other sports cars now he has a bmx 3 series. my mom wanted a new car so he bought her an audi allroad competly decked out, the women never goes more than 10 miles in the car. the car is used by me and my dad for our needs. but we say its my moms to make her happy. the allroad is a sick car, any wagon that can look that good and have as much power and handling as it does kick ass.
 
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gideon said:
having a fast car, or nice bike(s) or nice other things is fun
This car is a performance car, but then again I guess any performance car is evil and anyone who owns one should be killed
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Well that's all fine and dandy and I agree, but you're the one that said it should still be "green". Must I go back and quote you?

Green is the opposite of excessive power.
 
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gideon

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quote what whatever tickles your fancy

what i wrote was "they need to make a green, super high power, 4wd that has good ground clearance and ample people and storage room and also handles well"

I didn't say nor imply the allroad is all of that, it's most but not all

rather a wish list

just out of curiosity?
what kind of vehicles do you own/drive?
how many miles per year?
what's ur carbon footprint?

cuz we all surely know there's no possible way you could be a hypocrite
 
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JRogers

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gideon said:
quote what whatever tickles your fancy

what i wrote was "they need to make a green, super high power, 4wd that has good ground clearance and ample people and storage room and also handles well"

I didn't say nor imply the allroad is all of that, it's most but not all

rather a wish list

just out of curiosity?
what kind of vehicles do you own/drive?
how many miles per year?
what's ur carbon footprint?

cuz we all surely know there's no possible way you could be a hypocrite
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Calm down, dude. You gave incorrect information and he called you out on it. No need to go after him.

I wouldn't mind the car you described, but I also wouldn't mind being able to fly, having a billion dollars, etc.
 
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dirttastesgood said:
haha. i've grown up around vintage car racing. my dads owned mutiple porche's and other sports cars now he has a bmx 3 series. my mom wanted a new car so he bought her an audi allroad competly decked out, the women never goes more than 10 miles in the car. the car is used by me and my dad for our needs. but we say its my moms to make her happy. the allroad is a sick car, any wagon that can look that good and have as much power and handling as it does kick ass.
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so you have a rich family, but you're still a 15 year old douche. come back in about 10 years when you've paid for anything on your own.

btw, it's "porsche" and "bmw".
:banghead:
 
streetweapon_dh

streetweapon_dh

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btw,

I have an 04 audi allroad 4.2 with 67k showing. no real problems to date. The earlier ar's did have a lot of airbag problems, which lessened over the years. I chose the 4.2 because it has a timing chain in lieu of a belt. The lack of belt and turbos = less maintenance, more hp+torque, less tuneability.

Subaru is the only other I considered. I just don't fancy turbos. The AR is also considerably larger than the smallish impreza (wrx). The only way to get the AR4.2 power from suby is the wrx sti offering which isn't available in a wagon.

The audi and subaru were my final two to choose from. the audi owns suby in interior fit/finish, options, function, aesthetics, QUATTRO, airride. The suby fights back in reliability and cost of ownership and is undeniably a great car.

both good choices.

With the front wheel on, the dh bike consumes the hatch of the AR by itself. If you have any Allroad questions, feel free to pm me. I hope this helps.
 
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