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ya i saw them on justin leov's bike in whistler, i was sooooo amazed. if you watch the latest yeti dispatch video from crankworx, they have the fox guy talking about how they are giving justin's suspension some prototype stuff and they are also testing the reactions of his rear shock with a little computer mounted to his bike. i predict a new rear shock in the works, or at least new internals, next to these upgrades for the 40.
 
gonefirefightin

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the laptop is basically downloading all of the dampening, rebound, compression and travel stops in the run for the format. after they look at the graph and numbers they can determine if the shock is tuned properly and/or being used to its limits.

by the way, the new fork is completley different than the older models. it uses a new fit cartridge that is 80 percent of the dampening rather than the previous forks that relied on the spring to all the work. you can upgrade your current fork with a new cartridge from fox. the changeout is very simple and will improve you handling by a huge margin. they are trying to develop a metering system for the forks as well.
 
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Hope it lasts better than the marzochi slippery silver...
I'd be curious to see proof that it actually makes a difference in the real world. A close Friend has an 06 888RC and an 07 888WC and he finds last year's fork works better.
 
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Eurotrash said:
Hope it lasts better than the marzochi slippery silver...
I'd be curious to see proof that it actually makes a difference in the real world. A close Friend has an 06 888RC and an 07 888WC and he finds last year's fork works better.
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LMAO! Hows that. I rode both the rc2x white 06 and now the WC and hands down the WC is smoother.
If the polish is rubbing down take some mothers and polish them, its what i do, then some teflon as a good measure. :D
The WC rocks I have rode the boxxers wc/team and the 888's rc2x and the wc as well as 66's and Stratos s8's modified. Aside of the weight the S8 was the best as far as plush, but overall out of these the 888wc is staying atleast till this years release of the new 888's. :D
 
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I have two close friends who have the silver peeling of the stancions in big flakes (not quite that slippery anymore). They probably got a bad batch, that wan't cleaned properly before coating or some other problem.
Rock shox had the same problem too when they used it.
I'm not saying one brand is better than another it's just that coating the stancions seems complicated and expensive with little real world benefits over an hard ano.
I just think there is a lot of hype around this kind of thing.
 
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gonefirefightin said:
...by the way, the new fork is completley different than the older models. it uses a new fit cartridge that is 80 percent of the dampening rather than the previous forks that relied on the spring to all the work...
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Springs don't provide damping, they do provide a percentage of the total force at a given point. So the old and new cartridges both provide 100% of the damping (well, minus friction and gravity). I think the point your making is the new cartridge is tuned differently or offers a different range of adjustments. I'm curious where you got 80% from. It makes it sound like the new cartridge is way different from the old...and I thought the old was pretty good. Not saying it could use some fine tuning.
 
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that "slippery silver" isn't going to be available to the public anytime soon...hell the guys I work for don't even get it and they are fast and fox does a fair bit of testing with them as well. From my understanding whoever has them now (Yeti and MBUK) are going to be the only ones that wil ever have them because of the cost of the tubes and the custom work that went into the rest of the fork to make them what they are.... so don't hold your breath on getting them.

unless you can suck the chrome off a bumper...
 
Jm_

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These coatings are the ultimate in hype IMO. It's shiny and it looks smooth, so it MUST be an upgrade.

With proper lubrication, there is no issue and no need.

I say this partly because I asked RS about this when they first came out with their TiNi. It's just a gimmick people, look past it.
 
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well the reason there switching to the silver stantion is so you cant see the gold coating scraping off the fork.
 
rosenamedpoop

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Jm_ said:
These coatings are the ultimate in hype IMO. It's shiny and it looks smooth, so it MUST be an upgrade.

With proper lubrication, there is no issue and no need.

I say this partly because I asked RS about this when they first came out with their TiNi. It's just a gimmick people, look past it.
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It seems like hype to me too, but it's not how fox does product. They have aways been function first, so we'll see.
 
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the forks stantions are made of nickel. so I dont think that it is a coating. It wont go into production, its just an added bonus to get the sponsored pros the advantage. there are tons of new things the pros are riding inside the fork that are way better than just nickel stantions, trust me...
 
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JohnnyBoyDH said:
I like all the suspension "tech geeks" who use the term "Dampening" instead of Damping...makes me laugh.


You dampen a sponge. You damp vibrations.

easy peasy japanesy.
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Ha. Where's John P?

I actually just was reading through decline and saw an add for SR Suntour forks that featured a "cartridge dampening system."

How embarassing for them...
 
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So here is the official word on the silver uppers directly from Fox team coordinator and product development guru Mark Fitzsimmons. He saw the thread and fired this over and asked me to post it.

There are 7 World Cup Fox sponsored gravity athletes testing FOX 40 forks with prototype upper tube surface finishes.

The riders are:
Jared Graves
Justin Leov
Marc Beaumont
Neil Donoghue
Gee Atherton
Dan Atherton
Rachael Atherton

The forks, coatings, materials, and parts are prototypes for testing or to provide these world cup racers a performance advantage. They will not be offered to the public in the near future and if the FOX engineering group determines what is tested or being raced on is reliable and makes economic sense, it may some day show up in a production product. Exactly what they are testing or racing on is confidential and will not be disclosed.

The purpose of our race program is to test and develop product at the highest level of competition and trickle what we learn into production product. We also race to win and if that means making a special part for a factory rider in an effort to help them, we will do so. Even if the cost is too high to ever become a production part.
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driftsrfun said:
the forks stantions are made of nickel. so I dont think that it is a coating. It wont go into production, its just an added bonus to get the sponsored pros the advantage. there are tons of new things the pros are riding inside the fork that are way better than just nickel stantions, trust me...
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Made of nickel, not just a coating? Hmmm...(cough)...
 
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gonefirefightin said:
the laptop is basically downloading all of the dampening, rebound, compression and travel stops in the run for the format. after they look at the graph and numbers they can determine if the shock is tuned properly and/or being used to its limits.

by the way, the new fork is completley different than the older models. it uses a new fit cartridge that is 80 percent of the dampening rather than the previous forks that relied on the spring to all the work. you can upgrade your current fork with a new cartridge from fox. the changeout is very simple and will improve you handling by a huge margin. they are trying to develop a metering system for the forks as well.
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Where can i get a new cartidge?
 
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jamesdc

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The part is coated in nickel, not made of it.

The nickel tubes are mainly just a marketing gimick. Only a small number of top level riders will notice a difference. If you keep the seals lubed on a fork with standard tubes it will feel great. Most people want the nickel coating as a bling factor or they think it will make them ride better.

I have been using this for awhile and it works great.

http://www.enduroforkseals.com/id79.html
 
William42

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jamesdc11 said:
The part is coated in nickel, not made of it.

The nickel tubes are mainly just a marketing gimick. Only a small number of top level riders will notice a difference. If you keep the seals lubed on a fork with standard tubes it will feel great. Most people want the nickel coating as a bling factor or they think it will make them ride better.

I have been using this for awhile and it works great.

http://www.enduroforkseals.com/id79.html
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i'm trying to get my head around this... who are they marketing this to? the fox racing team? They're not selling them to consumers, and the fox guy as good as said the cost was prohibitive and not worth attempting to sell to consumers...:crazy:
 
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William42 said:
i'm trying to get my head around this... who are they marketing this to? the fox racing team? They're not selling them to consumers, and the fox guy as good as said the cost was prohibitive and not worth attempting to sell to consumers...:crazy:
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This was mainly aimed at marzocchi who markets the nickel tubes, not fox
 
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jamesdc11 said:
This was mainly aimed at marzocchi who markets the nickel tubes, not fox
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Go to bed sasquatch, you'll stunt your growth!
Whats up big guy, Im hitting (or supposed to) wtex tomorrow with drew and Bobby for a photo shoot for his portfolio as wellas his sponsors. Drop the forks off at marz for a little tender loving care and go hold a flash for the photog!
 
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bullcrew said:
Go to bed sasquatch, you'll stunt your growth!
Whats up big guy, Im hitting (or supposed to) wtex tomorrow with drew and Bobby for a photo shoot for his portfolio as wellas his sponsors. Drop the forks off at marz for a little tender loving care and go hold a flash for the photog!
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Maybe give me some waring next time you come out, I have school anyways tomorrow. You should come out to ride on the weekend.
 
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jamesdc11 said:
Maybe give me some waring next time you come out, I have school anyways tomorrow. You should come out to ride on the weekend.
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Definently, we'll hit it up. I have been slammed here at work as people lose jobs they go self employed and need signs and peeps in business need more signs to try and keep peeps spending $.
Im working still and will till the wee hours to get ahead enough to ride tomorrow.
Keep me posted and when we plan a ride N of LA or around Ill pm you! :thumb:
 
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bullcrew said:
Definently, we'll hit it up. I have been slammed here at work as people lose jobs they go self employed and need signs and peeps in business need more signs to try and keep peeps spending $.
Im working still and will till the wee hours to get ahead enough to ride tomorrow.
Keep me posted and when we plan a ride N of LA or around Ill pm you! :thumb:
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The west texas trail sucks right now, its way overgrown and bob refuses to clear it out and everyone else is too lazy.
 
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jamesdc11 said:
The nickel tubes are mainly just a marketing gimick. Only a small number of top level riders will notice a difference. If you keep the seals lubed on a fork with standard tubes it will feel great. Most people want the nickel coating as a bling factor or they think it will make them ride better.
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Nitrided stanchions on current production forks (ie previous Boxxers and marzo) are also harder, making them wear better and aren't damaged as easily. That is of benefit to everyone so hopefully fox do use it on production forks in the future.
 
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