Iron Horse does it again
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Too expensive?
Buy something else.
Enough said.
In the end, what good does it do any of us here to know WHY the prices have jumped? They have, and you either are going to suck it up to have a Hill Replica, or you'll move onto something else.
I can't believe these 'big' companies that are producing bike overseas are charging Made in the USA prices. Look at a Ventana Cuervo, made in the usa, everything made in house, on very small scale. Every little cnc bit is made there. Frames are heat treated and powdered in house too. That frame is hundreds less than a IH or Spec frame. How's that possible? I know they're not using the Corvette model of doing business...
Buy the hype, or not, it's your money, you decide.
Buy something else.
Enough said.
In the end, what good does it do any of us here to know WHY the prices have jumped? They have, and you either are going to suck it up to have a Hill Replica, or you'll move onto something else.
I can't believe these 'big' companies that are producing bike overseas are charging Made in the USA prices. Look at a Ventana Cuervo, made in the usa, everything made in house, on very small scale. Every little cnc bit is made there. Frames are heat treated and powdered in house too. That frame is hundreds less than a IH or Spec frame. How's that possible? I know they're not using the Corvette model of doing business...
Buy the hype, or not, it's your money, you decide.
depends on the markup that the distributor and the dealer have. for example in the US it's :i see, i stand corrected. 45 dollars more? 450 dollars more?
cost x frame factory markup x assembly factory markup x duty x company markup x dealer markup
for international it's something along the lines of:
cost x frame factory markup x assembly factory markup x company markup x duty x distributor markup x dealer markup
combine cost of materials increase along with plummeting dollar value, and you get higher prices across the board.
Last time I checked, an Iron Horse Sunday, wonderful as it may be (I've never tried one), is simply not a staple of life. Price goes up, deal with it. Iron Horse just isn't a stupid company, they know they have a hot commodity and are going to take advantage of that. And why shouldn't they? You can clearly see the progression they have made with the frame, all the improvements, tweaks and so forth.
You wanna play, you gotta pay.
I can guarantee cost of manufacturing definitely plays a part in the price increase, but IH is almost a boutique brand now, and the pricing is starting to reflect that. Its like buying Sony, Ferarrii, Oakley, or any other company whos producst are partially image based.
You wanna play, you gotta pay.
I can guarantee cost of manufacturing definitely plays a part in the price increase, but IH is almost a boutique brand now, and the pricing is starting to reflect that. Its like buying Sony, Ferarrii, Oakley, or any other company whos producst are partially image based.
wUrd, bikes ain't cheap to make, and iron horse probably isn't "ripping" anyone off, but the fact remains that the iron horse is probably not 2-3k "better" than the mongoose. But then again, that's a meaningless statement because it is ~100% subjective :'(. Food for thought.
whoa **** he's baller now.
Hey DW, question, do you think the bike industry could benefit from consolidating (ala moto industry)? Im talking price wise. I don't know a whole lot about the cost structure of a bike company, but I'm guessing lots of it is development and marketing costs over mfg costs. I curious as to your thoughts, given you have actual, inside, real information.
Yowza, fun thread, classic e-spec at its finest. 
I've never run a bike company but I know that there are so many things that go into it that have not been mentioned here, all of which effect the bottom line. Research and development has been mentioned, but to just scratch the surface, what about rent, employee salaries, insurance, marketing, and legal costs?
Plus, what about the huge (HUGE!!) royalties paid to DW for The Link?
I suspect margins are way lower than most think. An old saying comes to mind: "Want to make a small fortune in the bike biz? Start with a big one."
In the end, it doesn't matter anyway, there is no magic formula, no "standard" profit margin, and the whole thing is fluid anyway. If you want a Sunday, sack up and pay the price. If you think you are getting gouged unfairly, vote with your wallet and get something else.
I've never run a bike company but I know that there are so many things that go into it that have not been mentioned here, all of which effect the bottom line. Research and development has been mentioned, but to just scratch the surface, what about rent, employee salaries, insurance, marketing, and legal costs?
Plus, what about the huge (HUGE!!) royalties paid to DW for The Link?
I suspect margins are way lower than most think. An old saying comes to mind: "Want to make a small fortune in the bike biz? Start with a big one."
In the end, it doesn't matter anyway, there is no magic formula, no "standard" profit margin, and the whole thing is fluid anyway. If you want a Sunday, sack up and pay the price. If you think you are getting gouged unfairly, vote with your wallet and get something else.
Actually, a little more accurate but still staying truer to Richard Branson:
"It's easy to become a millionaire. Simply start with a billion dollars and buy a bike company."
i see i see. msrp doenst really mean the rpice its selling for anyways, i got my team from go ride last year for 3100 wen msrp was 4100. Pre orders rock
No not at all. I hope Iron Horse sells out and boosts their profits, because there a good company and a company should always try and get the most profit available.
Demand won't change because of price, but quantity demanded will. But because quantity demanded went up, price went up. Its simple economics. If people don't like the price, then they don't have to buy one and if enough people don't buy one, they'll have to lower the price (probably won't happen, but you never know),
Didn't mean to change thread focus, I just can't help comparing the different amounts of materials that are involved with building either a DH bike or a Motocross bike.
But youre right, our bikes are extremely light for what they do, its pretty amazing really.
I just think it will be a better day when people can buy high end factory built bike for a substantially cheaper price than a scratch component build of the same bike. That would obviously require oem pricing to come down quite a bit as well.
Have you ever, just for fun, priced a moto from scratch? $$$$=small mortgage
Im not really sure how you guys came up with a mathematical formula to produce type vs. weight results. Lets be realistic here, you have one bike that can produce 40-70hp against a bike that produces 0hp. Seems like a difficult tech and spec comparison to me with the whole power-to-weight ratio issue. Maybe if I get some time Ill dig some of those threads up and see how you did it.
By the way, I probably should have originally stated that I was referring to an average frame build. There are a lot of companies out there charging high end prices for average frames, especially with some of the single pivot price tags.
****in nerd, calm your bed no one wants to hear that ****.
AND GET ME SOME WAFFLE FRIES BITCH.
Heres the real tuffness. spend more and go faster.
edit: holy **** this forum is a bunch of nerds. yall stop quarelling about crazy ass **** where the biked at?
looks nice, but does not work as good as the DW Suspension.......
do you have ample proof to back that up there santa maria. cause every company says there design is the best, and that rail system will handle square hits, and rock gardens a whole lot better than the dw link.
i bet that yeti is a bit scrunchy in the mud...
god forbid a rock wedges in there...
god forbid a rock wedges in there...
Shut your goof hole you 'tard.
you ride a ghetto'ed out SGS on Forest Service trails and have not showed up to a single race in 2 years.
Oh..and see you at Wayehutta. I'm gonna buy you a sing that says "This End Up" so you'll stay off your helmet.
Not even CLOSE!!! You wanna see nerds....I just got back from getting a haircut. The biz in the little strip mall next to the hair place is a "Game Center". They have Magic the Gathering. They don't open til 3pm in the afternoon. Dudes and chicks go in there dressed in full on wizards and warrior kit and play til 3am...most of whom are dropped off by their parents!! Compared to them, we're as cool as they come!mack said:
How about you ride one instead of making stupid assumptions. tard.i bet that yeti is a bit scrunchy in the mud...god forbid a rock wedges in there...
My opinion why IH is charging more money for their bikes..................
Because they can. They have become the Turner DHR of a few years ago. Everyone wants one, so why not make a little more money. When Santa Cruz first came out with the V10, it was one of the best bangs for the buck. When it's popularity went through the roof, they were able to charge more, and yes, this was before the change in frame design. If people want a product bad enough, they'll pay for it.
Because they can. They have become the Turner DHR of a few years ago. Everyone wants one, so why not make a little more money. When Santa Cruz first came out with the V10, it was one of the best bangs for the buck. When it's popularity went through the roof, they were able to charge more, and yes, this was before the change in frame design. If people want a product bad enough, they'll pay for it.
bizutch if that statement wasnt so funny and ohh so true i might just have to take offense to that. ohh and when is weyehutta cause i really want to attend and need a good excuse to go.
wow i think that has got to be the most intelligent first post ever.
soon...thinking mid-October.