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Turner DHR x Ventana El Cuervo

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
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Well, thanks everybody for your report and experience on both frames. It cleared my mind specially for El C which I didn't know much bc of few reviews. Actually my first option was DHR, due to delay I decided to look for other frames. I'll talk to Turner and see if schedule is supposed to delay more. Depending on that I'll probably go for El C. Again, thanks fellow monkeys. This is my first post here at ridemonkey and I got impressed how good information I found. Cheers.
 

Threepointtwo

Monkey
Jun 21, 2002
632
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SLC, UT
If you have to choose again, which one would you pick now that you have ridden both? Though both very similar and good bikes.

Well, I ride the DHR and the Cuervo sits in the garage. Just personal preference, I live the livelier feel of the Turner and I don't really like the super ramp at the end of the Cuervo stroke much.
 

Mani_UT

Monkey
Nov 25, 2001
644
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SLC, UT
Well, I ride the DHR and the Cuervo sits in the garage. Just personal preference, I live the livelier feel of the Turner and I don't really like the super ramp at the end of the Cuervo stroke much.
You forget to mention you had your best race result EVER on the Cuervo though :huh: :huh:
 

SinatorJ

Monkey
Jul 9, 2002
582
51
AZ
mine is 43 with creappy wheels and DH tubes. I will weigh it on race wheels. Keepin it for 08 gonna get painted.
 

beesonutah

Chimp
Apr 23, 2006
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Mine with tubeless is at 40lbs. And by far the best bike I have ridden to date. And by the way I'm a finness rider, I don't like the plow.
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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Mine with tubeless is at 40lbs. And by far the best bike I have ridden to date. And by the way I'm a finness rider, I don't like the plow.
Is it 07? Medium or small? IMO the only part in my build which is heavy is fork, a 888WC which I won't trade for anything lighter soon. UST for me too, EX823, Hope ProII and Michelin front and rear. Formula K24 and XT or Hone cranks. At this point I'm convinced El C is a good bet as DHR, no doubt anymore. Everybody only say good things about it, and to my console handling and cornering is similar to DHR.
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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Does anyone have pictures sitting on El C? Just curious how those bearings and linkage work when sagged.
 

Zoso

Monkey
Jan 31, 2003
212
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Seattle
I have my pick of all the high end goods at our shop(Intense, Turner, Foes, Rotec), and the Ventana was the clear choice for those seeking a "real world" dh rig. Its not the lightest frame(~12lbs for a large with steel spring), but its quad bearing system holds up to the nasty way better then the dhr. As Luke Strobel's wrench, I've rebuilt his dhrs more times then I can count. The dhr works good when maintained, but its performance suffers when its neglected. The Ventana folks are great people who do everything in house and take pride in their products. When you consider all the factors: ride quality, geo, sizing, pivot/frame design & execution, availability, price, weight, etc., the Ventana was the last frame standing.
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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I have my pick of all the high end goods at our shop(Intense, Turner, Foes, Rotec), and the Ventana was the clear choice for those seeking a "real world" dh rig. Its not the lightest frame(~12lbs for a large with steel spring), but its quad bearing system holds up to the nasty way better then the dhr. As Luke Strobel's wrench, I've rebuilt his dhrs more times then I can count. The dhr works good when maintained, but its performance suffers when its neglected. The Ventana folks are great people who do everything in house and take pride in their products. When you consider all the factors: ride quality, geo, sizing, pivot/frame design & execution, availability, price, weight, etc., the Ventana was the last frame standing.
I was already convinced about El C qualities and how close it rides like dhr, my first option. But it's nice I still read good reviews like yours. It just makes me want it more.
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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How much sag do you run, 30%? And what spring rate suggested for 176lb, #450?
ISCG standard or 05?
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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Thanks. And what spring rate are you running and how much sag?
Is ISCG standard or 05?
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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Looking at some pictures I've noticed how close ti spring rests near link inside seat tube. Does ti spring rub against link or is it safe, no contact?
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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Hmm, that sounds bad. Do you see any functional problem or just esthetic? Can you hear spring rubbing while shock is working?
 

DHR

Chimp
Sep 4, 2007
57
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Sorry I missed your question earlier. For your weight I'd recommend a 500 lb spring. I'm 160 lbs and run a 450, but most of our riders bigger than me (or faster) are running a 500.
No problem Scott. I may start with 450, Ventana and Fox suggestion. Depending on sag and riding feedback could go for 500 later, thanks. How much BO adjustment do you regularly use?