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MikeD

MikeD

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Transcend said:
Funny thing about US flag laws: It is also illegal for the flag to be worn as a piece of clothing. Plenty of "patriotic", redneck asshats do this without a second thought. It's especially funny when it's veterans or members of the active military who like to cause trouble like the Vet in this story.

It is also illegal to hang it off of your car, boat, 18 wheeler etc. Plenty do that as well.

Also shouldn't be carried horizontallya st hey do with those gigantic flasg at NFL games.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 7

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 8

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.
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Again...it's not the law...but anyhow...this brings up a point of interpretation of the code, and a much greater philosophical question. (unless there's more in the code that covers it, and frankly, digging through Title 1 isn't my thing right now.)

What constitutes a flag? You could take a strict interpretation and say "flag" means only an actual piece of cloth in the specified design and size...which you shouldn't, say, wear as a toga or cut up to decorate something or display horizontally.

By this interpretation, paintings of flags or use of the design of the flag falls under unspecified territory.

But you could also interpret it liberally, to mean the design itself.

It's all a very Jasper Johns question.

 
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spookydave

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Fonzie18 said:
Yeah. All the time, people don't mind at all...

When we race off-road down in Baja we have a Mexican and an American flag on our race car. There are many teams who's trucks/cars are painted like the flag as well (a violation of the flag code BTW :busted: ).
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lol, yeah on a race truck during the 1,000 is one thing. Lets see a couple of white boys put an American flag on the hood of their car and drive around Mexico City during a socker game. (I see that all the time in Anaheim) They wouldn't get around the block.

I've spent lots of time down there installing equipement. I have to mind my P's and Q's much more then the people standing in front of my shop (across the street from a Home Depot) every day.
All and all the people are very nice. But a white American can't push it like it gets pushed here. I've been all over the world and Mexico is the only country that I've been robbed by taxi drivers (once) and cops (3 times).

BTW, painting the stars and strips on a race car is not a violation of anything. Now if you cut up a real flag and glue it to your car that might be different.

Have fun at the big race and be sure to take lots of Steeekers! ;)

I'll be reading about all the $hit that gets stolen on www.race-dezert.com/
 
Fonzie18

Fonzie18

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spookydave said:
lol, yeah on a race truck during the 1,000 is one thing. Lets see a couple of white boys put an American flag on the hood of their car and drive around Mexico City during a socker game. (I see that all the time in Anaheim) They wouldn't get around the block.
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True, but the racial demographics are not even close. Not too hard to figure out there are alot more Mexicanos in the L.A area than Gringos in Mexico City. Thus, making the comparison apples to oranges, totally different scenario. I think the Americans putting a flag on the hood of the car during a Mexico Vs. USA SOCCER game would not go well, but then again it IS soccer. Have you seen what some European and South American soccer matches come down to?? MURDER! and mass riots, that ****eee is crazy man!

I've spent lots of time down there installing equipement. I have to mind my P's and Q's much more then the people standing in front of my shop (across the street from a Home Depot) every day.
All and all the people are very nice. But a white American can't push it like it gets pushed here. I've been all over the world and Mexico is the only country that I've been robbed by taxi drivers (once) and cops (3 times).
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Hehe, come on. Although the people who are hanging around the home depot do sometimes cause trouble, it is because they are beyond poor and usually un-educated and have not much else in life but to look for a way to live and eat.
Now, as for us Americans not "pushing it" down in Mexico?? Get real. I have been going to Mexico for all of my 22 years and I can tell you without any doubt that Americans feel as though there is no law in Mexico. I have taken hundreds of people to Mexico for the first time, whether it is for a Baja race, a MTB race or just to go party in Tijuana and they all have the same pre-conceived notion that there is no law in Mexico and that pretty much anything goes. I've had many close calls with the law because of this but thankfully have not been robbed or had to pay off a cop...Yeah, I suppose its luck. One of the most traumatizing moments in my childhood was walking down the beach in San Felipe, to find a 50 something year old American couple butt-naked, beyond drunk shouting off all kinds of words...that sucked man.

BTW, painting the stars and strips on a race car is not a violation of anything. Now if you cut up a real flag and glue it to your car that might be different.
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Different how? The "flag code" does not specify the flag as being a particular form or material. And it's not against the law...although it would be a waste of time and fabric. Robby had a full-on American flag Paint job back in the mid-90’s BTW it was pretty cool.

Have fun at the big race and be sure to take lots of Steeekers! ;)

I'll be reading about all the $hit that gets stolen on www.race-dezert.com/
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I'm pre-running the whole thing the first week of November!! Can't wait. I don't even have to drive back, private plane baby! (perk of hanging with one of the larger teams I suppose).

Oh, we will have stickers, and the kids will be stoked.

Ahaha, don't bring out the Race DeZ shizzz here man. That forum is more ridiculous than this one!! 20th Baja 1000 for me and probably the 25th or so for my pops and not a single thing stolen, people get stuff stolen down there because they are stupid.
 
BMXman

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maybe it's just me but a code that states the American flag has to be on top...wow...that's all i can say......I can think of about 1o codes that would benefit the American people so much more...D
 
MikeD

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
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BMXman said:
maybe it's just me but a code that states the American flag has to be on top...wow...that's all i can say......I can think of about 1o codes that would benefit the American people so much more...D
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C'mon, man. It's part of a larger code of protocol stating how the flag should be displayed...and it's old...been around for a long time. There are protocols for all sorts of things, just sitting there, not taking any effort on anyone's part.

Not to say we can't do a lot better in many areas, but using age-old guidelines on the display of a flag as an example of governmental distraction is pretty weak.
 
Westy

Westy

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MikeD said:
C'mon, man. It's part of a larger code of protocol stating how the flag should be displayed...and it's old...been around for a long time. There are protocols for all sorts of things, just sitting there, not taking any effort on anyone's part.

Not to say we can't do a lot better in many areas, but using age-old guidelines on the display of a flag as an example of governmental distraction is pretty weak.
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I think BMXman is right. Our government should focus on more important things like our neighbors up north. Here is a fine example of Canadian code.

Statute
1 - 2 Chap. 9.
An Act respecting the Royal Style and Titles.


Whereas the Prime Ministers and other representatives of Commonwealth countries assembled in London in the month of December, in the year one thousand nine hundred and fifty-two, considered the form of the Royal Style and Titles, and, recognizing that the present form is not in accordance with present constitutional relations within the Commonwealth, concluded that, in the present stage of development of the Commonwealth relationship, it would be in accord with the established constitutional position that each member country should use for its own purposes a form suitable to its own particular circumstances but retaining a substantial element common to all;

Preamble.

And whereas the said representatives of all the Commonwealth countries concerned agreed to take such action as is necessary in each country to secure the appropriate constitutional approval for the changes now envisaged;



And whereas, in order to give effect to the aforesaid conclusions, it is desirable that the Parliament of Canada should assent to the issue of a Royal Proclamation establishing the Royal Style and Titles for Canada:



Therefore, Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:



1. The assent of the Parliament of Canada is hereby given to the issue by Her Majesty of Her Royal Proclamation under the Great Seal of Canada establishing for Canada the following Royal Style and Titles, namely,

"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith".

Assent to establishment of Royal Style and Titles.


Chap. 9. Royal Styles and Titles.

1-2 Eliz. II., "Her Majesty", etc.

2. (1) Paragraph (10) of section 37 of the Interpretation Act, chapter 1 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1927, is repealed and the following substituted therefor:

"(10) "Her Majesty", "His Majesty", "the Queen", "the King" or "the Crown" means the Sovereign of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, and Head of the Commonwealth;"

(2) Upon the coming into force of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952, paragraph (11) of section 35 of the Interpretation Act, chapter 158 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952, is repealed and the following substituted therefor:

"(11) "Her Majesty", "His Majesty", "the Queen", "the King" or "the Crown" means the Sovereign of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, and Head of the Commonwealth;"

Coming into force.

3. Section 2 shall come into force on the day the Royal Proclamation authorized by section 1 is issued.


EDMOND CLOUTIER, C.M.G., O.A., D.S.P.
Queen's Printer and Controller of Stationery
Ottawa, 1953

Proclamation of 1953
E l i z a b e t h II .


Canada


Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith.



Attorney General, to all to whom these Presents shall come or

Canada whom the same may in anywise concern,



Greeting:


A Proclamation



Whereas the Prime Ministers and other representatives of Commonwealth countries assembled in London in the month of December, in the year one thousand nine hundred and fifty-two, considered the form of the Royal Style and Titles, and, recognizing that the present form is not in accordance with present constitutional relations within the Commonwealth, concluded that, in the present stage of development of the Commonwealth relationship, it would be in accord with the established constitutional position that each member country should use for its own purposes a form suitable to its own particular circumstances but retaining a substantial element common to all;


And Whereas the said representatives of all the Commonwealth countries concerned agreed to take such action as is necessary in each country to secure the appropriate constitutional approval for the changes now envisaged;


And Whereas, in order to give effect to the aforesaid conclusions, the Parliament of Canada, under and by virtue of An Act respecting the Royal Style and Titles, assented to on the eleventh day of February, in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and fifty-three, has assented to the issue by Us of Our Royal Proclamation under the Great Seal of Canada establishing for Canada the Style and Titles hereinafter set forth in lieu of the Style and Titles at present appertaining to the Crown;


Now know ye that by and with the advice of Our Privy Council of Canada We do by this Our Royal Proclamation establish for Canada Our Royal Style and Titles as follows, in the English Language:


"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith".


And in the French language:



«Elizabeth Deux, par la grâce de Dieu, Reine du Royaume-Uni, du Canada et de ses autres royaumes et territoires, Chef du Commonwealth, Défendeur de la Foi»


Of all which Our Loving Subjects and all others whom these Presents may concern are hereby asked to take notice and to govern themselves accordingly,


In Testimony Thereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed,


GIVEN the Twenty-eight day of May in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifty-Three and in the Second Year of Our Reign


By Her Majesty's Command
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spookydave

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Hey Fonzie,

A few other apples to orange comparisons:

TJ to any other part of Mexico
Bourbon Street to any other part of the US
Trophy Truck /Class 1 team to a guy racing his quad. That’s like a waxed apple to an orange that’s been laying in my back yard for a few weeks. lol

Let me ask this. Does anyone think it would have been any different if a white American raised an American flag above his restaurant in Mexico?? If so you are selling the Mexican people short. They are very proud too. I have no doubt that some proud Mexican would come along and cut that sucker down. And if you ask me, rightfully so!

I’ve been going to Mexico for about as long as you. But I was 24 the first time I went. It’s much different when I would go by myself for work then on vacation with my wife (who grew up in central America and speaks Spanish as well as English.) I’m sure you are treated different as well for the same reason. I’ve been your web site a year or so ago. Looks like fun times and I remember thinking that if I was 20 years younger I’d be all over it. I only go now on vacation and yes, some times I’m totally embarrassed by how some of the snotty Americans act. No wonder everyone hates us!
 
BMXman

BMXman

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MikeD said:
C'mon, man. It's part of a larger code of protocol stating how the flag should be displayed...and it's old...been around for a long time. There are protocols for all sorts of things, just sitting there, not taking any effort on anyone's part.

Not to say we can't do a lot better in many areas, but using age-old guidelines on the display of a flag as an example of governmental distraction is pretty weak.
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ok agreed but it made the news and people think this guy is a hero...priorities people please!!....D
 
BurlyShirley

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Transcend said:
It's too bad the Mexican guy hasn't decided to press charges ranging from tresspassing to destruction of private property and theft.
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Hopefully he gets deported as soon as he speaks to a government official expecting some public service like protection from the police.
 
Silver

Silver

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So, I guess I'm fully within my rights to tear off this man's shirt and sodomize him for not respecting the flag, right?



A man cheers after singing during the 'Stand in the Gap' event on the National Mall October 6, 2007 in Washington, DC. The event is geared to Christian men from around the United States. By Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images.

Sorry about that. I had a Larry Craig attack there for a moment. I am not gay. I love my wife. I do not fantasize about sodomizing men wearing American flag shirts. (Although, if I did, is that patriotic, or gay? Does the patriotism outweigh the gay? Does Jesus love a straight person who is indifferent about his national allegiance more than a faggot who really loves his country? It's so damn hard being a Republican these days...)
 
Westy

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Silver said:
So, I guess I'm fully within my rights to tear off this man's shirt and sodomize him for not respecting the flag, right?



A man cheers after singing during the 'Stand in the Gap' event on the National Mall October 6, 2007 in Washington, DC. The event is geared to Christian men from around the United States. By Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images.

Sorry about that. I had a Larry Craig attack there for a moment. I am not gay. I love my wife. I do not fantasize about sodomizing men wearing American flag shirts. (Although, if I did, is that patriotic, or gay? Does the patriotism outweigh the gay? Does Jesus love a straight person who is indifferent about his national allegiance more than a faggot who really loves his country? It's so damn hard being a Republican these days...)
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It is only gay when you get caught. Of course you can then just go to counseling and get fixed, it is just an illness.
 
valve bouncer

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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BMXman said:
"My country"??....maybe you considered it that but I never did. It's just where I was born...nothing more....D
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Silence traitor....will you be so glib when you're standing against the wall? All people who live in countries other than their own are automatically ideologically suspect. You're on the list.
 
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