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narlus

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Nov 7, 2001
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behind the viewfinder
it's not all that big a difference, really; at least in the one week i rented one, i didn't see a big difference. ask BAH, who switched to from a 1.6x sensor (20D) to full-frame/35mm film equivalent (5D).
 

erastusboy

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Mar 5, 2003
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Sorry I didn't mean to say taking great pictures is easy. I was more thinking about all the really basic stuff, like what they were talking about depth of field studies that kind of thing.

I think its easier to shoot what you meant to shoot with a digital. I think someone said it in a post above about seeing what the lens sees. The instant feedback you can get with a digital camera makes that easier.

But I also think that visualizing shots is pretty much impossible. At this point I am trying to get really good cliche photos (a good groundwork) Before trying to experiment.

I could never shoot a photo for a bike mag, at least not right now. I have the utmost respect for pro photographers.
 

Transcend

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Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
it's not all that big a difference, really; at least in the one week i rented one, i didn't see a big difference. ask BAH, who switched to from a 1.6x sensor (20D) to full-frame/35mm film equivalent (5D).
I just sit at that happy 1.3 medium. I like it plenty. FF would be nice, but at this point there is no full frame camera that can do what the mk2 can. The d3 can do it, but only in DX mode. For now, the mk2 is still kickin ass and takin' names.
 

dirttastesgood

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Dec 12, 2006
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its all cloudy and boring and its going to be cloudy and boring for the rest of the week. any suggestions for shooting with poor light.
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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Cloudy is often a preferred condition for shooting black and white film.
Plus, you're shooting a 400 speed film...you're not suffering from a lack of illumination, just a different quality.

This is a good time to learn to use your light meter properly, anyhow. Shoot a white marble building and bracket your exposures...you'll find you need a stop or two of additional light above what your light meter reads to get a bright white that still shows detail. Then shoot a subject mostly/entirely in the shadows; you'll need a stop or two less light to get it right.

This would be an excellent time to learn the Zone system; it lets you coodinate a specific film development with your exposure to compensate for nearly any lighting condition. But that may be getting a bit beyond what your teacher wants to teach... (Still, I like to teach photo with a view camera and cut film, and start teaching Zone System from the start; it's hard for people to learn it once they've acquired habits, but it's easy to modify/simplify it to your needs if you know it.)
 

dirttastesgood

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keep in mind my teacher is flaming homosexual who worked in the fashion industry for 20 years. today he showed us prints from his other class's. 95 percent of them he threw across the room saying they were crap. the other 5 percent were "really hot".
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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Hmmm. The best part about teaching/assisting photography in a university setting is that 1) lots of hot chicks take photography as an art elective, because it seems easier than drawing/paining 2) 3/4 of them inevitably choose the nude self-portrait as a form of expression.
 

erastusboy

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Mar 5, 2003
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:rofl:

if it's so damn easy, let's see yr digitally-created portfolio.

i'm preparing to be blown away.
What until after Christmas, don't own a digital camera at all right now. Only extended experience I have with digital is borrowing a friends Rebel to shoot a few sculpture projects. It was fun, I'm getting excited to get back into photography.

Did the 35mm thing in high school, but after I graduated the cost/time commitment made shooting film unrealistic.

Maybe I will post some of the sculpture photos after a little photoshopping.
 

H8R

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Nov 10, 2004
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keep in mind my teacher is flaming homosexual who worked in the fashion industry for 20 years. today he showed us prints from his other class's. 95 percent of them he threw across the room saying they were crap. the other 5 percent were "really hot".
Awesome.
 

deadatbirth

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i started out with a old Canon AE1 from 1979 and as much as i love it, its great to have a digi to see the difference b/w all the settings to help me learn to use my camera better.
i am new into photography so having the ability to upload all my pictures to a computer is great. granted maybe the 40D i bought might be more than i need right now, but hey, the price was right and i just sold my two HD cams
 

skinny mike

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Hmmm. The best part about teaching/assisting photography in a university setting is that 1) lots of hot chicks take photography as an art elective, because it seems easier than drawing/paining 2) 3/4 of them inevitably choose the nude self-portrait as a form of expression.
i can't wait to take photography next year. i hope hot chicks like film studies classes as well.
 

dirttastesgood

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i did the black bag today. that was really stressful. i only got one finger print on the film to. so not bad for my first time.
 

skinny mike

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Jan 24, 2005
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i did the black bag today. that was really stressful. i only got one finger print on the film to. so not bad for my first time.
i thought that since you do a prewash before developing, getting a fingerprint or two on the film isn't that big of a deal. the only real problems that i've had with my negatives were water marks.
 

dirttastesgood

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i thought that since you do a prewash before developing, getting a fingerprint or two on the film isn't that big of a deal. the only real problems that i've had with my negatives were water marks.
yea apparently its not but it might leave little smudges.
 

dante

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Feb 13, 2004
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does your school still make you learn to type on typewriters? if you don't have to deal with correction tape, you'll never learn to type without constantly making mistakes (and use of the backspace key is just cheating)...

I took a year of photography in HS (on a beautiful Minolta X700), and I learned more in 2 weeks of having a digi SLR due to trial, error, and being able to adapt to changing situations. light changes from full daylight to shadows? bump the ISO and keep shooting, instead of winding up that roll of ASA 125 and pulling out a roll of ASA 600. finding that perfect shot in the middle of the 3 rolls you shot, only to realize that you didn't write down the Ap and Shutter speed so you can't do it again... no thanks. I'd have traded most of that year's classes for 2 solid weeks of layers and levels in post processing. I'd love to get back into film photography now that I've had a taste of digi, but that's only to bring what I learned back to film.
 

dirttastesgood

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right now i'm 5 days ahead of the rest of my class so today i taught the class and the teacher went out to get coffee.
 

benno

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I'm having fun shooting film again. It does have qualities that digital just can't replicate, some like that feel and some don't I guess.

I picked this up the other day:

My grandpa bought it in 1959 or so, and it's been in the family ever since.
 

skinny mike

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I'm having fun shooting film again. It does have qualities that digital just can't replicate, some like that feel and some don't I guess.

I picked this up the other day:

My grandpa bought it in 1959 or so, and it's been in the family ever since.
:drool: :drool: :drool:
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
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Nov 7, 2001
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behind the viewfinder
is that a rangefinder? i've never used one of those before.


i have heard that b/w is a whole 'nother ballgame when using film. but i do like the convenience, immediacy, and control of shooting digital.
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
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is that a rangefinder? i've never used one of those before.
Whole 'nother world for certain kinds of shooting. Since you're looking straight at the subjects, not a projected image, it tends to make it less like you're making photos and more like you're slicing out some reality.
 

dante

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Whole 'nother world for certain kinds of shooting. Since you're looking straight at the subjects, not a projected image, it tends to make it less like you're making photos and more like you're slicing out some reality.
and much more likely to get a finger/camera strap in the picture... :disgust:


(but yes, I'd kill for that old leica... hmmmm. I *could* kill for that leica!! :lighten:)