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Proto Yeti Slope style!

Oct 14, 2007
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The bike is gorgeous...the only problem with yeti is the weight...I use to have the 303 and hated the weight...the 1st picc was'nt that bad but the second one just makes me think of a fat cow...i don't really see the point in purchasing a frame for slopestyle when it weights much more than typical 8-8.5 in travel frame...IMO
 

ZenkiGarage

Monkey
Jan 9, 2007
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they should just go with industry standard.
This is the problem with the bike industry...
If everyone stuck with the "standard" we'd have really sh*tty bikes. This is also the reason we are still running a sh*tty drivetrain.
Its the people that push the envelope that take our sport to the next level. Im not saying yeti is going to make a huge impact, but that train of thought to stay with the "standard" is slowing us down.
 

MrPlow

Monkey
Sep 9, 2004
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as i stated in post 12. stiffness. :busted:
But at the expense of extra weight maybe?
I dont get it really?? what benefit does it have.
I would think you can tune a link more than a rail, you can adjust pivot points easier than angling that rail?
It seems heavier too. A little link, A long rail??
Maybe they ordered a heap of rails for 303 but need to use them up so they can go back to a normal system? AKA:


I have ridden the 303 a little, seen its development in fair detail.
The original concept as I heard it was to get rails that could be all different shapes (not just straight) so you could tune the axle path and suspension characteristics. They seem to have lost this (cause they couldnt seal the bearing).
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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looks sick but I don't really know why they're (or anyone else for that matter) calling it a "slopestyle" bike. I understand the idea is popular right now but lets be honest; how many of us are doing 360s off 30 foot drops? Most of the people are using these type frames for light duty downhilling and all around riding.
the terminology sucks but the reality is these bikes are insane fun to ride...its a marketing game so all the cool kids like the bike...

IMO they are the perfect bikes for my type of riding and what alot of folks are doing out there
 

CRoss

Turbo Monkey
Nov 20, 2006
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These are two different prototypes Yeti has. I am not sure which is which but they are definitely different.





It looks like the first one is a slopestyle/4x rail bike and the second looks to be a rail version of the ASX.

I can see how the rail could stiffen up the rear of the bike and take alot of stress off the shock. With the rail the only thing the shock is doing is controlling the travel of the swingarm. Now instead of the shock being a structural piece it is just a shock.
 

MrPlow

Monkey
Sep 9, 2004
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These are two different prototypes Yeti has. I am not sure which is which but they are definitely different.





It looks like the first one is a slopestyle/4x rail bike and the second looks to be a rail version of the ASX.

I can see how the rail could stiffen up the rear of the bike and take alot of stress off the shock. With the rail the only thing the shock is doing is controlling the travel of the swingarm. Now instead of the shock being a structural piece it is just a shock.

But if you are adding all that weight, why not make the dogbone beefier instead of adding a rail? I just dont see the benifit?
I love Yeti's always have. I have had a few now. But to me their designs are making less sense?:bonk: Design = good dolution to a problem? What was the problem that the rails solved?

Hmm, I had heard of a Rail ASX in the pipeline, but was thrown off when the 7 was released? If this more "freeride" to the 7's "Trail"??
Looks to me like potentially a better DH bike than the 303.
 

Ridge Rider

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Nov 11, 2005
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By mounting the rail colinear with the shock they will achieve very close to a linear rate. That could be tuned with small angle changes of the rail relative to the shock angle. The stiffness and ability to remove almost all of the side load on the shock as already mentioned are also benefits. The rail system seems to be reasonably reliable so are the benefits worth the weight?
 

karpi

Monkey
Apr 17, 2006
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yeah, I was wondering when someone was gonna say something about the rear shock! looking interesting, looks like a big piggy back to my, who knows what's going on inside. I find the idea yeti has given is not neceseraly an answer to specific problem but just a different aprouch to a suspension design that has other benefits. It can be heavy, but there are lots of spaces where they can lower the weight down and we are just seeing the protos.... at this stage, weight isn't an issue, general design is.
 

MrPlow

Monkey
Sep 9, 2004
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By mounting the rail colinear with the shock they will achieve very close to a linear rate. That could be tuned with small angle changes of the rail relative to the shock angle. The stiffness and ability to remove almost all of the side load on the shock as already mentioned are also benefits. The rail system seems to be reasonably reliable so are the benefits worth the weight?
But just because the shock is linear doesn't mean actual true suspension rate is linear. Maybe fairly true on the 4X SS bike I spose.
 

WheelieMan

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Feb 6, 2003
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By mounting the rail colinear with the shock they will achieve very close to a linear rate. That could be tuned with small angle changes of the rail relative to the shock angle. The stiffness and ability to remove almost all of the side load on the shock as already mentioned are also benefits. The rail system seems to be reasonably reliable so are the benefits worth the weight?
Yes, the suspension rate would be very linear, but linear rates can be created very easily with normal pivots. Why a linear suspension rate would even be desirable is beyond me. Normal suspension designs with shock actuating "links" can easily be designed to allow for rate tuning, and are also very capable at preventing side loading on shocks. There are absolutely no benefits to such a system that I can think of. I used to think Yeti knew better than to fall into the marketing trap...
 

SylentK

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2004
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This is the problem with the bike industry...
If everyone stuck with the "standard" we'd have really sh*tty bikes. This is also the reason we are still running a sh*tty drivetrain.
Its the people that push the envelope that take our sport to the next level. Im not saying yeti is going to make a huge impact, but that train of thought to stay with the "standard" is slowing us down.
Oh c'mon dude. Do you really think that? I have no problem with innovation, in fact I welcome it and am an "early adopter" if it makes sense. Rails do not make sense. Don't make me do the Chewbaca theory on you :clue::biggrin:

But please, for the love of jeebus...if you love the rails, buy Yeti! I'm cool with that.
 

Sandro

Terrified of Cucumbers
Nov 12, 2006
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Kind of reminds me of my Nicolai trombone shock (except it had a horst link), but that didn't work to well either.
 

spoke80

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Nov 12, 2001
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Word on my street is that the frame pictured above is the new DHR which, is slated to be an affordable DHer.

I wonder what the new 303 will look like....
 

leprechaun

Turbo Monkey
Apr 17, 2004
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Just spoke with Yeti,..

The sloperstyle bike gets 5.5 or so inches of travel and is linear, they say it holds the bike up in the travel when cornering hard. I suppose that may be the case since linear bikes would be stiffer at the beginning and mid part of the travel. I would think personally that if "slopestle" is in the name of any bike bottoming control would be a bigger priority.

The second bike is a lighter, more affordable 303 DH bike. 10.5 lbs. The pivot location makes the bike feel very close to the original 303. There is a rail on that bike as well and it controls the rate as well, but i would think the link also plays a role there.

The rails can be complex and heavy but i like the fact that they are being used in conjunction with a single pivot to enhance stiffines and get a certain rate. I still like single pivot bikes with linkage most so i guess these fall into my favorite bike design catgory.

Thank you Yeti for realising that a (reasonably) affordable DH bike is a huge priority for Yeti dealers!!

Krispy
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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Since you guys don't have quite enough to hate on...














The second bike is a lighter, more affordable 303 DH bike. 10.5 lbs. The pivot location makes the bike feel very close to the original 303. There is a rail on that bike as well and it controls the rate as well, but i would think the link also plays a role there.
Could THIS one be the bike you speak of, not the more "AS-X with Rail assist" looking rig pictured previously? Just asking...

:D
 

CRoss

Turbo Monkey
Nov 20, 2006
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I guess Intense is not the only company with extra tubing and other frame pieces laying around. Looks like Yeti actually has more spare parts to play with.
 

dhkid

Turbo Monkey
Mar 10, 2005
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really like that design.

its like breaking down an axle path in to its x and y components. actually, more like x component and the other one controlling the curvature.
 

no skid marks

Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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It's hurting my head. I had it all figured out that it had a tavel window that it could move freely in, rather than an axle path, then I saw the damned rail,now I have no idea.