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ride review: canfield Jedi & Marzocchi Roco WC Air!

bullcrew

3 Dude Approved
First off this is not a bling thing or a bunch of pics, just an initial review based on both bikes ans thoughts. We rode more and kind of put pics to the way side, so Ill get some action pics soon enough.

First ride review:
Canfield Jedi and Marzocchi Roco WC air


First off I’d like to say it was a great weekend and a good ride with the guys! Jopnkranked, Bobby and broken wrist dude AKA shuttle dude! :D (thanks for all the driving!)Thanks

Trail description:
really fast, nasty off camber loose rocky twisty run with lots of washouts, bermed corners, bermed corners with jagged rocks in them and pineapple sized pinecones (send you flying), flat corners jagged rocks and some logs in path with a lot of fast maneuvering and bike control needed. It definitely tested the suspension for fatigue and bigger hits as well as hips and run outs with big rocks. Although there were no big drops or step downs it was a very trying courser and I could not have asked for a better one to jump right in the thick of things and dial a bike.

Initial thought trailside before descent: Comparison F1 VS Jedi
F1: hard to manual, front end is glued, corners kind of sluggish, weight to center to corner and have to sit down to pedal soaks up every hit and blows through stuff fast.. (love this bike and now my freeride bike).

Jedi: Extremly fast cornering nimble, easy control of the front end, pedals like a trail bike and soaks up big stuff as well as the F1, it even picks up speed in the nasty stuff making it easy to pass people while their bikes are bucking I can pedal through it (timed strokes of course).
The jedi has all the qualities that the F1 lacked and all the good stuff it excelled at; it is a different kind of bike all together. It’s the F1 in perfect form and faster. Higher bb made for a nice addition and the shorter chain stay definitely helped.

Marzocchi Roco WC Air: Performed flawless, didn’t bottom on bigger stuff as well as I didn’t notice any fade miles into the run with it being abused the whole way and slammed around. The shock feels like a coil and has a great mid stroke which another air shock lacks. I actually forgot I was riding an air shock, the adjustments will fine tune it for any kind of terrain easily and each twist makes a noticeable difference, the one thing I looked for was a bad ramp up on it which most air shocks do there wasn’t any it was butter from top to bottom. 200 lbs air in reservoir chamber and 160 in main worked perfect, big hits I would up it to 190 but this is my settings for my size on big stuff.

We rode 3 runs at idyllwild several mile runs down with pedaling, and all the above stuff listed in regards to trail conditions, first thing I noticed was I needed to relearn to corner and weight the bike as it was different the the F1 and when pedaling came a specific gear wasn’t as important as it used to be. The bike pedaled great standing or sitting and was forgiving in this sense if you were in too high a gear on a climb. It soaked up the rough stuff which I wasn’t sure with all the changes and feel if it would compare to the old but it did, the changes had no effect on the suspension in nasty stuff or hard square edged hits. It felt like the F1 in bump response but handled like a fine tuned machined that was taunting me to go faster.
The faster you go the more stable it gets and its stable at a standstill so this bike has potential to put it down wherever its ridden. I wasn’t sure when I purchased it but Chris assured me that it was that good, I talked to a few others that rode the prototype and again got the same response. Still I kept doubt as to the handling and performance of it. I no longer question this bike it is exactly what they stated and performs that good.

So a big thanks goes out to Chris and Lance, you guys rock and thanks for answering my questions!

Anyone sees me at the races let me know and I’ll let you pedal around on it.


Jonkranked, Bobby Root, and I
 

jonKranked

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haha dude that was a great ride!

did you find my derailler in your truck?

oh and yesterday I started work on my fork mount camcorder tripod.... wanna ride this weekend to test it out??? :D
 

bullcrew

3 Dude Approved
Yes to riding this weekend (im thinking of racing at woodward west and possibly hitting up the foam pit) If not I know Bobbys trail hunting this week and will be itching to ride so we can hit up there.
Yes your der was under the rear seats. Its sitting on the center console still unopened! :D
 

jonKranked

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Yes to riding this weekend (im thinking of racing at woodward west and possibly hitting up the foam pit) If not I know Bobbys trail hunting this week and will be itching to ride so we can hit up there.
Yes your der was under the rear seats. Its sitting on the center console still unopened! :D
Killer. I would definitely be down to ride w/ Bobby again. That guy is mad fun.

I'm really gonna push this week to get my tripod setup working. I've got all the materials (I think) I'm gonna need.
 

Sandro

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Nov 12, 2006
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Nice write-up, that Jedi looks like a killer bike, but since i'm on a budget i'd be interested if one of you tried out Bobby's canyon? I'm beginning to like that bike more and more...
 

jonKranked

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Nice write-up, that Jedi looks like a killer bike, but since i'm on a budget i'd be interested if one of you tried out Bobby's canyon? I'm beginning to like that bike more and more...
Didn't have a chance to ride it, but it was a very solidly built bike.
 

bullcrew

3 Dude Approved
Nice write-up, that Jedi looks like a killer bike, but since i'm on a budget i'd be interested if one of you tried out Bobby's canyon? I'm beginning to like that bike more and more...
Yes (Rode it wed), the bullit on steroids. It handles really well and is actually superplush, very responsive.
Bobby kills it on that thing LMAO He could ride a matchstick and kill it!:cheers:

But yeah it rocks, good solid design with alot of rider room to win on it as wellas it would make a killer FR bike as well!
 

bullcrew

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Thanks bullcrew, that really does sound enticing. Especially since this thing retails for 2700 Euros over here with a killer spec! Too bad about the exchange rate for all you 'mericans:greedy:
LMAO! Agreed! :D
It is a super buff bike thats light adn 1.5ht speced to kill! Bobby and I were talking about hitting a foam pit up as soon as I can get my scheduel to work out. Backflips etc.. He was trying a front flip last time and apparently the brake method isnt recomended! :shocked:
YEP thats it!
 

bullcrew

3 Dude Approved
Have you ever rode it with a coil?
Id ride my reg F1 with a air roco WC now (ordering 1 for it) based on the feel of it. I rode that shock on a frame that i have also ridden with a coil on and the air is darn close feeling to a coil. I will probably get a wc coil for it as well as a backup during service times but I am sold on the coil and the others this weekend were stunned by the performance of the air shock.

BTW: Jason I put goodridge lines on the formula "the ones" and a huge difference in power or wooden feel. :thumb: good upgrade to a great brake. Actually bought them based on your review! Thanks. (actually bought another set new for $250 complete :D as backup)
 

jvnixon

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Nice, i'd like to ride it back/back on a few trails with some sort of metric between the two.

Ha, 2 sets! In case... you get another bike? lol The One's are quite impressive.

Front - Center measurement is on the Canfield site I believe in their geo chart.
 

bullcrew

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Nice, i'd like to ride it back/back on a few trails with some sort of metric between the two.

Ha, 2 sets! In case... you get another bike? lol The One's are quite impressive.

Front - Center measurement is on the Canfield site I believe in their geo chart.
:D 09 Foes fly on the way soon! totem/formula "the ones"/dt 2350 wheelset/king headset/??? havent stocked any more parts than that yet!

That would be cool if we could hook up to ride at some point! Let me know.
 

fred.r

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May 9, 2006
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Ha, I'm guessing he does then. Because during Sat. expert practice in line at Sea Otter there were two guys, both riding Canfields, a smaller bike and a Jedi, wearing Canfield jerseys, poaching the practice. I had a good 5 min. conversation with them about the Jedi and all they could do was talk it up... I remember thinking in my head that from all this high praise these dudes are giving the bikes this could very well be the brothers themselves. I'm thinking I was right! Funny stuff. Nice guys for sure though, but I threw in a "that was gonna be my next DH frame until I got a hold of this DHR, which I wouldn't trade for any other bike," just incase they were the brothers spamming me by talking up their own frames. :biggrin:
 

Supernaut

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Being a hack with computers things took a little more time then i thought it would. :biggrin:

Currently trying to upload the pictures to google photo-something.
 

bullcrew

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Ha, I'm guessing he does then. Because during Sat. expert practice in line at Sea Otter there were two guys, both riding Canfields, a smaller bike and a Jedi, wearing Canfield jerseys, poaching the practice. I had a good 5 min. conversation with them about the Jedi and all they could do was talk it up... I remember thinking in my head that from all this high praise these dudes are giving the bikes this could very well be the brothers themselves. I'm thinking I was right! Funny stuff. Nice guys for sure though, but I threw in a "that was gonna be my next DH frame until I got a hold of this DHR, which I wouldn't trade for any other bike," just incase they were the brothers spamming me by talking up their own frames. :biggrin:
That was them, I talked to Chris sat when he was on the course at 6pm. LMAO thats funny!
The bike is good no ?'s asked! Not that your turner is not, I love those frames.
Im happier than last year with this years design!
 

Supernaut

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Ok.... so i dont understand how to insert a picture from an URL, and the monkey wont let me upload pictures from my harddrive. (Yes they are under the size limit. About 40kb each.) The pics are hosted on google-picasa by the way.

Fuggin computards and their intarwebs are pissin me off :rant:
 

Supernaut

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Got it now. Photobucket solved my troubles.



If you take a close look at the chainguide in this picture you will notice the taco on the guide is missing. This is because i fugged it up and bought the wrong size guide. Will fix it with an MRP roller for todays ride, and by a new wide backplate when i have more funds.


This is just a bling-shot og my newly pushed ROCO. Looking forward to seeing how this baby performs.

Havent weighed her yet, but will hopefully get that done during the day.
Posting first impressions after todays ride.
Also gonna post some betters pictures in that tread, kinda destroyed them when i tried to resize:redface:

Cheers, Fredrik.
 

William42

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yeah they were totally awesome, we rode the course with them thursday night and they let a couple of us hop on their rigs, super cool guys and the bikes were awesome

great writeup, but lets hear more after you've had time to break some stuff, i wanna hear how the seals in the roco WC A do
 

bullcrew

3 Dude Approved
yeah they were totally awesome, we rode the course with them thursday night and they let a couple of us hop on their rigs, super cool guys and the bikes were awesome

great writeup, but lets hear more after you've had time to break some stuff, i wanna hear how the seals in the roco WC A do
Ill try and not break anything this season, or minimize breakage. :D
The air shock is my first bet after that its a craps shoot! :thumb:
 

joelsman

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Hey,

front center, canfield calls it dh size, it is just the horizontal distance from the BB to the center of the upper head tube opening.
wanting to know because the jedi geometry page says the effective top tube is 23.0in but they don't offer that size, they list 21.25, 22.5 and 23.5in
 

bullcrew

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you tell me to buy the air shock in the above quote, then a few posts later state the following?



:crazy:
Have you broken any frames lately? Wheelsets, sidewalls on DH casings, bent pro tapers?????
I think you will be fine on a air roco wc! I trust it and If I blow it its some stupid thing more than likely that I did. Gotta figure my shock has never been an issue and then again its been an Avy DHS!:cheers: