But it's a 9" travel bike with a 13.5" bb height. You'll have 4.5" of clearance left. I have a little over an inch more than that with my Sunday but I don't think I've ever hit my bashguard due to bottoming.
Anyone built up an M6 yet?
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I am just throwing out numbers. I am in agreement about the cranks and lengths. But with 4.5 inches of clearance, your still seriously close to the ground with your sprockets and bashguards. I ride a seven in travel bike.
Just for giggles, lets add just a bit mroe math, Looking at my e13 40tooth bash, looks like it has about a 3 3/4 to a 4 in radius. So, if your BB is end up only 4 inchs from the ground, thats scary close.
Just my opinion, just my thought.
Like i said earlier, it doesnt mean you need shorter cranks, crank lengths are a whole new discussion
Just for giggles, lets add just a bit mroe math, Looking at my e13 40tooth bash, looks like it has about a 3 3/4 to a 4 in radius. So, if your BB is end up only 4 inchs from the ground, thats scary close.
Just my opinion, just my thought.
Like i said earlier, it doesnt mean you need shorter cranks, crank lengths are a whole new discussion
No, you're style is just plain awesomeness and brakes that don't work!Hey man my style is foot down... sometimes two and I aint changing it!
Your oppinion is pretty solid. Even on flat smooth ground its going to dig in. Throw in a few rocks, a hump of dirt or some roots and you'll get a projectile rider or broken parts/bike.
Its a fackin awesome frame, no doubt at all, which I would love to have (and could if I wanted too), but I never will because of the bb height. They crossed the line of functionality on this one. It would be fine on a smooth course, but who runs a 9" plus bike on smooth course's?????
Well i can see your point but at the same time this is what intense intended. they are known for making bikes that are designed for world cups. I think it hits the boat well this bike is not made for the rec dh racer they have other bikes in their line up. But if you are looking to buy a factory race frame and are looking for a bike to handle racing and high end competiton then this is one of the best bikes on the market. I praise intense for making a bike strickly suited to high leval racing and making it avalible to the masses if they choose to purchase.
Agreed. My bike has a 13.75" bb height and probably close to 9 inches of travel, maybe a bit less. I can't remember ever hitting the bash or guide bottoming out. Might have happened and could happen, but, practically, it's not an issue. And it's not like the trails I usually ride it on don't have rocks.
I have, however, hit pedals way harder and more often than I have on other bikes. Don't know if it's my riding style that's changed, but I've had a few ugly incidents along with some bent cranks and broken pedals. I like the bike the way it is (it's worth a few scrapes now and then). I'd be hesitant to go lower, as the M6 does, but who knows...maybe it isn't enough of a difference to do anything really bad.
Intense makes alot of frames this is their full bore world cup race frame what is so hard to understand. That thing is so sick and I will be getting one sometime this year. The mutant huck circus is the other direction.
yah exactly, if you are worried about the clearance then maybe a full boar world cup dh frame isn't the right bike for you and you should be looking at something aimed more at freeride, i dont get why anybody would complain about it being too low. thats like buying a formula one car and complaining it cant go over speed bumps. obviously lots of dh tracks are super rocky but if your at the performance level where its really worth spending close to 3 grand on a frame then you'll know how to deal with it and the advantages will outweigh the slightly higher chance of clipping a pedal and/or your bottom bracket
Its like totally the same........right.........if there was speed bumps on F1 tracks then the cars would have to be able to go over them. F1 cars aren't designed for that due to the fact that they race on uber smooth (other then Monaco) surfaces. WC DH bikes should be able to go over rocks, because that is what they are faced with when used for their intended purpose. Some of the roughest tracks in the world are on the WC circuit, just because your a pro doesn't mean you have god-like abilities to keep gravity from pulling that bike into the ground.
Lets not forget that Intense is in the business of selling bikes. If a 13" bb is what pros want, they're gonna have a hard time selling it to the public though.
I'm sure any rider on the MS-Intense team will have custom geo to suite themselves too.
I guess it just ticks me off because I love every other aspect of this frame, and if the BB was half too 3/4's of an inch higher I'd like to have one.
Well you are in luck because the BB height is 13.75", not 13".
Chris Kovarik seems to be doing okay on it and I haven't heard from anyone with the bike actually complaining about it yet so maybe the bb height isn't that big of a deal.
your right, but only in a way... well not really at all actually
last year they got to pick the geometry they wanted for the prototype M6
and now that custom geometry is for sale to you... take it or leave it
as for the thought that pro riders get whatever they want... that is a myth. it is very very expensive to make one off frames, and very few if any guys get custom bikes. for the most part they are essentially riding bikes that are one year ahead of production
edit: gotta love the e-speculation here from a bunch of dudes tha have never even seen an M6, let alone actually ridden one. how about y'all wait until people that own them chime in before throwing the whole frame under the bus
...bike geometry is always about trade-offs....if you want a high bb with sluggish cornering and more safety then avoid the M6......if you want aggressive 'pushing the envelope' race geometry then go M6...
...hopefully whoever is buying will realize what they are getting....
...hopefully whoever is buying will realize what they are getting....
i dont know why ,but it seems a dh bike's cornering abilitis are measured by the hight of its bb.
i dont understand why a bike with such a low cog (so it apears) has to have 13.3 bbh (measured by somone that actually has an m6)and since when 14-14.5 is considerd high ??? (answer = sunday hype).
there is so much more to a bikes handling other than bbh!
do you really think designing this bike around a 14-14.5 " and thus alowing its riders to not wory about clipping all the time will make it any less fast ???
oh, and if the m6 is so fast and is the pros ultimate weapon ,does it mean the v10/glory/supreme (14+ bbh).... cant turn at all and should be totaly redesigned (for toadys ultra fast and clean wc courses and riders) ???
i love logic (and obviously this is mine) and hate hype !!!
i dont understand why a bike with such a low cog (so it apears) has to have 13.3 bbh (measured by somone that actually has an m6)and since when 14-14.5 is considerd high ??? (answer = sunday hype).
there is so much more to a bikes handling other than bbh!
do you really think designing this bike around a 14-14.5 " and thus alowing its riders to not wory about clipping all the time will make it any less fast ???
oh, and if the m6 is so fast and is the pros ultimate weapon ,does it mean the v10/glory/supreme (14+ bbh).... cant turn at all and should be totaly redesigned (for toadys ultra fast and clean wc courses and riders) ???
i love logic (and obviously this is mine) and hate hype !!!
swapping between my two bikes with ~1" bb height difference (~13.5 vs 14.5, though there's a 1" travel variation so effective sagged difference is probably closer to 1/2"), i have to say in most cases i'm finding the higher to be effectively faster in terms of more pedal-ability, and less fear of hitting pedal snagging / bb slamming lines. different chassis, but the extra 1/2" ride height doesn't seem to be noticeably detrimental in terms of cornering speeds (non-scientific seat of pants testing). of course, in the hands of pros, these differences may be measurable by the stopwatch. time will tell. the bike definitely looks like a rocket.
Totally agree - I would love to try a little higher bb on my Sunday.
Do you realize that the BB height is 14" (give or take a little bit depending on fork/tires) on a Sunday?
Yah that analogy was pretty ridiculous, but then right after that I mentioned the part about some world cup tracks being very rocky. Ever seen this lap of monaco? pretty crazy haha
Mine's 13.6" with 2.5 DHF's on DT 5.1's.
And mine's 14" with 2.5" DHF's and the Boxxer pretty extended in the crowns. Like I said, there is some variation and IH lists the BB height at 13.9".
Intense could offer rear dropouts that are available with a +/- 1" rear axle location to please everyone. That way you get the adustability of a bb in the 13-15" range. That in combination with raising or lowering your fork in the dual crowns you would have a fairly cheap and super easy way of raising or lowering your bike as well as a good bit of geometry adjustment.
Maybe it's something that Intense will look into offering in the future.
Maybe it's something that Intense will look into offering in the future.
I've had a bad day, time for me to rant, this is the easiest target.
I have some good ideas for all of you stressing about the height of the M6...
--you could either buy one and ride it fast like it is meant to be ridden. and shut up about the BB height...
--or if you are never going to ride one....SHUT UP about it.
I'm pretty sure the designer is not an idiot, and that all of your bitching is not going to raise it half an inch.
I have some good ideas for all of you stressing about the height of the M6...
--you could either buy one and ride it fast like it is meant to be ridden. and shut up about the BB height...
--or if you are never going to ride one....SHUT UP about it.
I'm pretty sure the designer is not an idiot, and that all of your bitching is not going to raise it half an inch.
Perhaps not, but man do they like to tease god a fair bit. Always bending the rules of physics as I understood them.
Nice......Monaco's nasty, and Senna was a God amongst men!
I'm pretty sure F1 teams run drastically different setups at Monaco or a completely different chasis.
Well after riding my Intense M6 for a week I am pretty certain the bottom bracket height IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE!!! I was initially sagging too much in my travel which was causing excessive pedal drag. To rectify the problem, I put a slightly stiffer spring and everything is great (I have also altered my riding style slightly.) To date, I have ridden the M6 six days in a row. Doing extensive tuning with my CCDH and Fox 40 rc2 (which is about to be replaced with a boxxer WC) and this steed seems to have NO LIMITS!!! Like I said before, my socom w/ccdb tore it up but the M6, is in a league of it’s own!!! I should be receiving my Industry nine wheels tomorrow which should net me a sub 38lbs rig. I will post some pics soon!
You bloody well better be!
Good to hear from someone who actually has one.
I had a wee test on one of the prototypes and it felt like a bike. Certainly it felt lowered and slammed. Certainly it felt like it could go faster than with me on it. But it still felt like a bike.
I haven't heard anything from the riders to suggest it is too low.
Man I sure wish mine was in. Seems I have to wait for a large till April (although they have been showing early) Good thing I just got that 08 crf 450r to wait it out.
Red taco looks out of place. Go white to match the fork.
e13 stem? What is your upper crown?Well I finally got mine built up. I got a plate put into my collarbone last week so unfortunately this puppy wont see dirt for quite a while. At least I get to look at it.
Risse Racing, works a treat.
Yeah, it's a really cool bike.
Oh my god. That black M6 is f&*king nice. Loving that white 40 on it. Sucks that you have to stare at it until you heal up though - that's sheer torture.
Not sure if anyone would be as interested in this as I am, but here is a visual comparison between the M6 and an older shot of my M3.
Both bikes are running the same wheels, forks, stem etc. The M6 is running the original seat-post-chewing-racer-boy dropouts.
It's a bit hard to tell from these shots, but the bar height on the M6 is about 2.5cm lower than the M3.
Both bikes are running the same wheels, forks, stem etc. The M6 is running the original seat-post-chewing-racer-boy dropouts.
It's a bit hard to tell from these shots, but the bar height on the M6 is about 2.5cm lower than the M3.
My experience is the same as lollapalooza. 13.65" with 2.5" DHF's (on EX721), boxxer at about minimal height, but forced to topout for the measurement to keep it accurate. The bike is significantly lower than claimed, Hill's bike will be a similar story if not slightly lower thanks to the slacker head angle.
BTW - for the M6 owners, what's the frame weight? Preferably without shock or spring... and then a shock and spring weight separately, since that is going to be one pig of a shock.
