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vaccinations : part 2 : children -and- adults

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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I have 2 children. We did everything "right", took every precaution we could, vitamins, healthy diet, exercise during pregnancy, cut out caffiene, the whole bit.
Doing it right means doing the best you can and taking good care of your children, no matter what.

Cheers to you and your family.





And yeah, sometimes, no matter what you do, things are just out of your control.
Like the gheyness of this thread. It started out fine but the sexual tension between you and Brian is nauseating.

Opie, Brian wants you to act like a MAN. Like a MANLY MAN. You acting all Nancy-boy just doesn't do it for him.

:disgust1:
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Like the gheyness of this thread. It started out fine but the sexual tension between you and Brian is nauseating.

Opie, Brian wants you to act like a MAN. Like a MANLY MAN. You acting all Nancy-boy just doesn't do it for him.

:disgust1:
Cause and effect...

There's a real simple solution, Brian can stop stalking me.
 

Ciaran

Fear my banana
Apr 5, 2004
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So, back on track... All this talk and seeing the genetics counselor this morning has me almost ready to throw up.

Question: How many of you, if testing discovered that your kid was going to have down syndrome or some other focked up disease would terminate and try again?

Personally I would want to terminate and try again. This is for my own sanity and the sake of the kid. I am pretty irresponsible and I would likely do more harm than good to a special needs child.

Opie, Brian, and Rob knock it the fvck off. We finally have a thread discussing somethign other then PSPs lack of intelligence, "Teh Ghey", or political paranoia and you all have to fvck it up. Stop already. No wonder people like Partsbara don't come here anymore. This place is turning into PinkBike.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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So, back on track... All this talk and seeing the genetics counselor this morning has me almost ready to throw up.

Question: How many of you, if testing discovered that your kid was going to have down syndrome or some other focked up disease would terminate and try again?
The test itself carries a small risk of killing your child, ask your doctor about this risk. Also, ask your doctor how accurate the test is... I think ~90% accurate. There are also false positives. If the test comes back saying you've got a fetus with down syndrome and you abort, there's a 10% chance that you're aborting a healthy baby.

Opie, Brian, and Rob knock it the fvck off.
For the record, I too think it's bullsh1t and want it to stop. It's been MONTHS now, so see my sig...
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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So, back on track... All this talk and seeing the genetics counselor this morning has me almost ready to throw up.

Question: How many of you, if testing discovered that your kid was going to have down syndrome or some other focked up disease would terminate and try again?

Personally I would want to terminate and try again. This is for my own sanity and the sake of the kid. I am pretty irresponsible and I would likely do more harm than good to a special needs child.
i couldn't tell you honestly until/if the time came to make that choice, but at this point in my life -- 26 years old, scheduled for the gallows, er, i mean "marital bliss" april 2009 -- i'd be in favor of terminating and trying again.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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For the record, I too think it's bullsh1t and want it to stop. It's been MONTHS now, so see my sig...
that really doesn't make the situation any better and just throws gas on the fire mmkay thanx bai.
 

Ciaran

Fear my banana
Apr 5, 2004
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The test itself carries a small risk of killing your child, ask your doctor about this risk. Also, ask your doctor how accurate the test is... I think ~90% accurate. There are also false positives. If the test comes back saying you've got a fetus with down syndrome and you abort, there's a 10% chance that you're aborting a healthy baby.
We saw the genetic counselor this morning. The risk of injury to the fetus is very small and it can depend on the skill level of teh doc administering the test. The accuracy is higher than 90% I believe. Also, I meant other genetic defects as well, not just down syndrome.

My head is all spinning today. I don't like thinking about the kid being born with any defects. I have enough to worry about wondering if I will be a good enough father. :help:

H8R, the armour is real, it's the weapons that are play, and my banana title is better than yours, cranky pants. Of course you're always welcome to come out and play fight with us. The play bruises don't last too long. :cheers:
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Also, I meant other genetic defects as well, not just down syndrome.
yeah, just an example. Point is, the test isn't 100%, just sayin'. And I understand your fears and concerns. Since we weren't going to abort, we didn't bother having the tests.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
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yeah, just an example. Point is, the test isn't 100%, just sayin'. And I understand your fears and concerns. Since we weren't going to abort, we didn't bother having the tests.
We didn't do any test either. IMO the test is an unnecessary risk unless you've already decided that you might terminate as a result of the outcome of the test...
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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H8R, the armour is real, it's the weapons that are play, and my banana title is better than yours, cranky pants. Of course you're always welcome to come out and play fight with us. The play bruises don't last too long. :cheers:

If I had a suit of armor on I would go completely berzerker and hurt someone. Sounds like fun.


Years ago when my band played in Denmark we met these guys that make real custom viking swords and train with them. They all had deep scars on their faces and arms. Focking hardcore.
 

Ciaran

Fear my banana
Apr 5, 2004
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How many of you who would not terminate or test have experience with special needs kids?

My very good friends kid is autistic, and another good friends kid has downs and I know that I couldn't handle it. I just don't have the resources to raise a special needs kid. (financially, emotionally, intellectually..)

That said, I know that there are some things that just happen, somethings you can't test for, and in life anything can happen (accidents, etc.). I will deal with whatever life throws at me as best I can. I just hope that whatever I do is the best thing for the kid.

If I had a suit of armor on I would go completely berzerker and hurt someone. Sounds like fun.
Sounds like we need to have a west coast monkey fest. I'll bring the armour, you bring the beer. Oh yeah! :beerjam:
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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My head is all spinning today. I don't like thinking about the kid being born with any defects. I have enough to worry about wondering if I will be a good enough father. :help:
The parental worry starts now. Soon it will settle into this deep seated general worry, not such an overt or specific thing.

Get comfortable with it, that's part of fatherhood.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
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How many of you who would not terminate or test have experience with special needs kids?
Not me. But when we were rolling the dice we decided mutually to take whatever we got....

My very good friends kid is autistic, and another good friends kid has downs and I know that I couldn't handle it. I just don't have the resources to raise a special needs kid. (financially, emotionally, intellectually..)
It's REALLY good that you guys realized this. I think most people wouldn't have the courage to admit it.

I just hope that whatever I do is the best thing for the kid.
Why? Then he won't be f***ed up like every other kid he'll know. :rofl:
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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How many of you who would not terminate or test have experience with special needs kids?
I didn't want to give my complete answer previously cuz I don't want anyone thinking that I'm trying to influence anyone else in such a personal matter, but you asked a leading question, so my answer is...


I do not have experience. Doesn't matter. The decision to abort would be mine and I would consider it murder. I couldn't live with myself if I chose to murder my child.
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
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Nov 7, 2001
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Also, ask your doctor how accurate the test is... I think ~90% accurate. There are also false positives. If the test comes back saying you've got a fetus with down syndrome and you abort, there's a 10% chance that you're aborting a healthy baby.
it's quite a bit more accurate than that, as it's a pretty simply assay:
Amniocentesis has an accuracy rate of between 99.4 and 100 percent in diagnosing chromosomal abnormalities.

http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/Prenatal Testing/prenataltest-amnios.htm
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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You'll start to reconsider when the kid turns 2. :rofl:
I'm sure you're right :D Louis CK does a stand-up act where he talks about punching his 4yo daughter in the head. It's wrong and funny.

When my son is old enough and really, truly pisses me off, in front of his friends...

"Son, don't give me any backtalk, I used to wipe sh1t off your nutsack."
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
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Nov 7, 2001
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my step-sister has severe cerebral palsy. life is not easy for her.


my wife and i opted for amnio on the 2nd pregnancy since she was a bit older and at increasing risk for genetic defects.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Denver
it's quite a bit more accurate than that, as it's a pretty simply assay:
okay, but on that page, it talks about "a three percent chance of serious birth defects that will not be detected by amniocentesis", ambiguous diagnosis, lab errors and the need to re-test a second time. So, I'm not sure how they come up with a 99.4% result with so many variables that they list?

Also, this scared the crap out of me: "...1 in 200 pregnancies miscarries due to amniocentesis (that would not have miscarried otherwise)."


Thanks for posting that, it looks like a great resource and for anyone making this decision, I'd encourage you to read it.
 

Ciaran

Fear my banana
Apr 5, 2004
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We're going to have the amnio done but not the CVS (I think that's the one) since they (according to the geneticist) test for basically the same things and the risk of injury to the fetus is higher with the CVS.

I'm probably over reacting and worrying too much.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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BTW -

For all you idiots...sorry, parents with young kids, here is the type of crap you have to look forward to:

Remember the thread about my kid's friends and how they are incredibly lame?

So even though my kid technically didn't steal anything from Sears - her friend was shoplifting - since she was with her friend they were both caught.

Sears sent us a bill for $375. It would cost more than that to contest it, so I have to pay it.


My kid is grounded, completely, till she pays the full amount. We are cracking the whip for her to get a part time/summer job.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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I'm probably over reacting and worrying too much.
Tame that sh1t, bro. You'll need your wits about you when mom starts freaking out about every little thing. And she will, it's in the hormones.
 

laura

DH_Laura
Jul 16, 2002
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We're going to have the amnio done but not the CVS (I think that's the one) since they (according to the geneticist) test for basically the same things and the risk of injury to the fetus is higher with the CVS.

I'm probably over reacting and worrying too much.
I might have missed it but why are you having the amnio done? Has anything shown up to make you believe that your child might be at risk for something. I wouldn't have an amnio unless I had major reason to believe that my child was going to have issues.
 

Ciaran

Fear my banana
Apr 5, 2004
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I might have missed it but why are you having the amnio done? Has anything shown up to make you believe that your child might be at risk for something. I wouldn't have an amnio unless I had major reason to believe that my child was going to have issues.
Wife is over 35 so it's recomended.

Now that I have had more coffee I am not as worried.
 

Durt

Chimp
Nov 28, 2007
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Me again.....work keeps getting in the way of my slacking....

After all of the problems we experienced with our first child, my wife just about went off the deep end mentally. All kinds of self-doubt and feelings of guilt and such. Not really surprising but very difficult to deal with in addition to the problems we were already facing.

Anyhoo, once she finally started to regain her sanity, she immediately wanted to have another child. Not because she wanted to abandon Aaron for a "normal" child but, I think, more to prove to herself that she was not at fault and could bear a "normal" child. We asked for the in-utero testing, despite the risks, because we did not want to have 2 children with problems. At the time, neither of us were anywhere close to being mentally or monetarily fit to raise 2 handicapped children.

We never specifically talked about whether or not we would terminate if problems were found. I believe that my wife would have wanted that option. Personally, at the time, I would've opted to terminate as well. Here we are 14 years later and I can say that if I knew then what I know now, no way would I opt to terminate. (Hindsight is 20/20.) I have come to know many mentally challenged people while dealing with my son's problems. Some of the sweetest, most innocent and loving people you could ever hope to be associated with.

My aunt has mild Downs Syndrome and epilepsy. My sister's first child, born several years after my first, was born with severe Downs Syndrome and passed away at 18 months. These factors led to our belief that these problems were most likely genetic.