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j-posch

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SPDR said:
LG1 plastics retail for the equivalent of 80 dollars over here - that's pretty expensive plastic . . .



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Don't ruin a potentially great design by making that mistake. DMRs have that "feature" and they are really uncomfortable because of it - the L-R concave sends my feet to sleep. Maybe that's just me but there's a reason that Easton Culleys are generally considered the greatest flat pedal so far built - it's all about the platform . . .

Tech question - does the plastic "cover" double up as the axial location on the pedal - cutting through the aluminium body and engaging the axle? If so - genius! Colin Chapman would be proud. :)
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Agree with the concave bit, don't know if a lot of you guys run Dmr's, but you won't see many on DH bikes over here nowadays. The perfect pedal would be the Cully with a better bearing system or easier to change bearings, why did easton stop making the cully? flatboy is too wide and the pins too small. This pedal seems to gimicky, who cares about the colour of pedals? Why changeable plastic bits, they look like something of a kids bike?
 
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I'm gonna hold on new pedals as long as I can. Please tell me they will come in black. (no jewelry for me either)
 
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SPDR

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Looking at the design; the L/R concave could be an option, as could all sorts of crazy profiles - just by E13 making available different sets of plastic you could have pretty much any shape you require.

I'll only charge you a lifetime's supply of E13 kit for that little gem DW :D
 
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SPDR said:
Looking at the design; the L/R concave could be an option, as could all sorts of crazy profiles - just by E13 making available different sets of plastic you could have pretty much any shape you require.

I'll only charge you a lifetime's supply of E13 kit for that little gem DW :D
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LOL. I guess you missed where your "little gem" was already addressed:

Transcend said:
It's for colors as well as different shaped platforms and a super thing (17mm) pedal body.
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SPDR

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Bulldog said:
LOL. I guess you missed where your "little gem" was already addressed:
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Doh! Fair enough but I still haven't seen anything but a picture from E13 themselves - where's the official scoop? dw?

Are/were different shapes going to be an option (and I mean initially - not a Taco like 12+ months behind) or was that Transcend's interpretation of the info given out?

Come on I know it's early on a Monday morning for you guys but this stuff "went live" 2 days ago. You should know the internet doesn't have days off. ;)

Not sure why i sound too bothered - I'm really not; it's just another set of pedals but I do think it's an interesting design :)
 
FlipFantasia

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SPDR said:
Maybe that's just me but there's a reason that Easton Culleys are generally considered the greatest flat pedal so far built - it's all about the platform . . .
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yes, yes, yes....best pedals ever....took such an incredible amount of abuse before they finally died years after they should've.....
 
iRider

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last i checked (today) we were selling them for 25$...
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Would be great if you can get me the LG-1 parts tree for that price then. :biggrin:
I was trying to buy them at my LBS but paying like 1/3 of the cost of the complete guide just for some small plastic parts :disgust1::plthumbsdown:
 
dhkid

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FlipFantasia said:
yes, yes, yes....best pedals ever....took such an incredible amount of abuse before they finally died years after they should've.....
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still running my 5 year old ones. :cupidarrow:

i do like the straighlines tho, those are gripper then the eastons. only if they stop seizing up i might consider getting a pair.

but now there is e13. weeee!!
 
S.K.C.

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I held the pedals in my hands and checked em' out top to bottom - the fore/aft, L-R concave is not extreme like you would think - very gradual, but well defined i.e. - they look pretty comfy.

Also - Dave said that the red end caps would get a re-design in the next iteration - he mentioned what would be done, but I was so distracted/on edge all weekend (suspension set-up on my rig, brake bleeding issues, getting my head straight over last year's wreck) that I don't remember.

Personally, I think it's a totally rad idea to have replaceable pedal faces (or "bash guards" if you will :biggrin: ) that you can swap out after beating them into the ground.
 
CrabJoe StretchPants

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I heard they use bushings and not bearings......do they at least have grease ports somewhere then? Sounds pretty ridiculous to use bushings on pedals to begin with, especially if there's no means to grease them without having to disassemble the pedal body from the spindle. I don't understand why you would use bushings in an application that sees several thousand full rotation cycles.

Meh.......just another example of overengineered, overpriced, marginally-better-at-best bike parts all for the name of fashion.
 
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mandown

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bushing choice is likely to allow for a thinner profile. you can build a bushing interface to handle the same stress load in a smaller space than you can with a bearing design. is it the best choice for a pedal tha sees many revolutions? maybe, mabye not. i've had pedals develop plenty of play with bearings, so i don't see how bushings would be worse if they were designed with the right wear characteristics.
 
Dogboy

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DHRFX Joe said:
I heard they use bushings and not bearings......do they at least have grease ports somewhere then? Sounds pretty ridiculous to use bushings on pedals to begin with, especially if there's no means to grease them without having to disassemble the pedal body from the spindle. I don't understand why you would use bushings in an application that sees several thousand full rotation cycles.

Meh.......just another example of overengineered, overpriced, marginally-better-at-best bike parts all for the name of fashion.
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Wow. You are just full of insightful posts on this thread. Do you realize how many pedals on the market now use bushings? Almost all of them. Some use only bushings and some use a bearing/bushing combination. And almost none of them use grease ports. I personally like the CB 5050XX pedals because they use bearings (needle and cartridge) and they have a grease port. Lots of people hate them though, but whatever. I'll reserve judgement on the Staccato's until a full release of information has been made, but I have absolutely no doubt that there are sound ideas behind every aspect of them.
 
CrabJoe StretchPants

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mandown said:
bushing choice is likely to allow for a thinner profile. you can build a bushing interface to handle the same stress load in a smaller space than you can with a bearing design. is it the best choice for a pedal tha sees many revolutions? maybe, mabye not. i've had pedals develop plenty of play with bearings, so i don't see how bushings would be worse if they were designed with the right wear characteristics.
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BUT routine greasing is what prolongs the wear of the bushings......hence why they should have a grease port on the body of the pedal into the spindle housing, and why I'm asking (can't see one in the pics). If not, you would have to remove the spindle assy to lube the bushings......something I wouldn't want to do after every ride.

Hopefully DW or one of the e13 guys can chime in.

To dogboy - every pedal I have taken apart has used bearings. Haven't had to rip a pedal apart in 3-4 years......but last I did they all used sealed and shielded ball bearings. How do all these bushing equipped pedals hold up as far as play/free spin?
 
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mandown said:
gotta agree. it looks like any weight savings will be negated by the addtional mud and dirt and rodents which will accumulate in the various spaces between spaces.
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Not if you actually wash your bike. And even if you don't I doubt dirt would be a problem. take a look at a pair of clipless pedals (especially shimano's) and look at all the places where dirt should accumulate but doesn't; it either falls out or is washed off

of course i'm going with the assumption that people actually clean and maintain their equipment. how silly of me.
 
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Jeremy R

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Nothing worse than dip**** e-reviews.
You post up one picture of a prototype pedal and get a 100 people telling you how the pedal will perform.
Even MBA rides the product first before their review.
But you guys keep shaking that magic 8-ball!!:crazy:
 
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General Lee said:
Not if you actually wash your bike. And even if you don't I doubt dirt would be a problem. take a look at a pair of clipless pedals (especially shimano's) and look at all the places where dirt should accumulate but doesn't; it either falls out or is washed off

of course i'm going with the assumption that people actually clean and maintain their equipment. how silly of me.
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tough to clean your bike mid-ride. i don't care what it weighs standing still after a bath if it just ends up as a gram-magnet when the rubber hits the dirt.
 
mandown

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Jeremy R said:
Nothing worse than dip**** e-reviews.
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this is the internet. did you forget?

Jeremy R said:
You post up one picture of a prototype pedal and get a 100 people telling you how the pedal will perform.
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there are just shy of 150 posts in this thread and it wasn't until the half-way point that we even knew it was a pedal. we didn't even need to know it was a pedal before we knew it would be flexy.

Jeremy R said:
But you guys keep shaking that magic 8-ball!!:crazy:
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what i do with my curtains closed is none of your business... unless you are a member on my pay-site, in which case you are supporting my business.
 
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dropmachine

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Funny how downtubes have no spots to collect mud, yet it somehow magically accumulates there.

Of course, theres zero chance that DW or e13 for that matter have any experience with mud. All of thier products are designed and produced in a sterile enviroments. You can't even fart without an alarm going off. As such, there is absolutely no chance that they thought about mud. I mean look at the SRS. One peice of dirt, and the whole bike collapses.

Looking at the pin on the back right platform, its clear to me that the moment you step on that pin, you get herpes. Way to go DW. Jerk.
 
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General Lee

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Jeremy R said:
Nothing worse than dip**** e-reviews.
You post up one picture of a prototype pedal and get a 100 people telling you how the pedal will perform.
Even MBA rides the product first before their review.
But you guys keep shaking that magic 8-ball!!:crazy:
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sitting around the e13 pits we came up with a pretty good list of all the 'problems' the internet forum test ride experts would come up with after seeing photos. So far we have been spot on:rofl:
 
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General Lee

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mandown said:
so you knew what the design flaws were and you still didn't fix them? :poster_oops:
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Hardly. We were entertaining ourselves by guessing what all the complaints would be. or, more to the point, we were making fun of all the know-it-alls and keyboard product testers on the internet.

good to see they haven't let us down.
 
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kidwoo

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Oh great.


I agree with Lee.


This thread sucks.:rofl:



But more to the point.....
When has e.13 ever put out something that sucks? I don't mean isn't the best, I mean SUCKS......

Never. The fact that these were what......7 years in the making now...means they probably also do in fact, not suck.
 
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CrabJoe StretchPants

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kidwoo said:
Oh great.


I agree with Lee.


This thread sucks.:rofl:



But more to the point.....
When has e.13 ever put out something that sucks? I don't mean isn't the best, I mean SUCKS......

Never. The fact that these were what......7 years in the making now...means they probably also do in fact, not suck.
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The LG1 "sucked" until people started making tacos (at least that's how I see it)
 
dante

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Jeremy R said:
Some people see the glass half full.
Some people see the glass half empty.

Some people see the glass f***ing empty.
Those people are among us.
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then some people hear that there's a glass, and that there's supposedly liquid in it, and know that it definitely sucks because someone said it was square and round is definitely better, and there's probably no Scotch in it anyway...

:biggrin:


just kidding DHRFX Joe
 
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