Vivid??

Does your username refer to Sam Hill?

s.hill02 said:

keep making posts like that and you'll almost be at that 9,000 post mark....congrats chump

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keep making threads like this, and usernames like that, and saying stuff like "they ride it so it must be good." and peoples thoughts of you being a n0000b will be confirmed they get payed to ride it, for all they care it could be ****.




edit: almost at 2700 posts! yes!!!!

You know sam hill and steve smith? Thats awesome!

The Vivids come in three tune options - A, B & C
But as per most items, to get the most out of the shock you will need the correct spring weight.
Coincidently When you buy the shock as after market, they come spring less - you buy that separate.

Also be aware that standard springs from other shocks such as 5th, Marz, Fox and manipoo wont fit. As the shock body and collars on the Vivid are 4mm bigger in diameter.

You will also notice that due to the increase in size of the overall diameter of the body etc, the spring on a Vivid rubs on the frame of a Sunday....

In concluding though, the Vivid is certainly my favourite of all of the current readily accessible shocks (haven't touched a Bos), and one of the cheaper options out there

hahaha, an "air valve".....since sammy and stevie are your boys, why don't you just get them to throw you some spares.....?......in all seriousness, just get the bike dude, it'll be fine....

wtf... he clearly meant that he knows THAT Sam Hill and Steve Smith use the shock... ****ing wankers you guys. Answer his question instead of just taking the opportunity to rip on him maybe?

Also, who cares what his username is? My real name is nothing do do with a socket...

Socket said:

wtf... he clearly meant that he knows THAT Sam Hill and Steve Smith use the shock... ****ing wankers you guys. Answer his question instead of just taking the opportunity to rip on him maybe?

Also, who cares what his username is? My real name is nothing do do with a socket...

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haha do do

and lets be honest, if your worried about just the rear shock on a 6100 dollar bike, well theres a problem. im sure if your dishin out 6100, you can afford to trade out the shock, sell it, buy a new one, whatever.

(yes i know there 4999 on randall scott right now)

edit: to answer your question, its a good shock, i have one on my blindside and been very happy with it, ive only ridden it in whistler, but so far prefer it over my past roco's, dhx's and 5th elements.

Socket said:

wtf... he clearly meant that he knows THAT Sam Hill and Steve Smith use the shock... ****ing wankers you guys. Answer his question instead of just taking the opportunity to rip on him maybe?

Also, who cares what his username is? My real name is nothing do do with a socket...

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I just thought it was awesome he knew them, guess i was let down.

Ok Ok Ok, in a Proper responce...... The Vivd doesnt compare to DHX5 everyone I know riding one that went from teh DHX to the Vivid is adement they will not go back. Personally I like how the DHX works, but I hate how it feels. The Vivid was one hell of a step up to the plate for Rockshox this year. Everyone on the trail using them is absolutly in love with the dual rebound ciruits. they can have the best of both worlds, small bump sensitivity, and big hit work!!!















Now, in responce to why everyone was coming down on the guy, its not because he came out saying he knew Sam and Steve, its that on his second post of the thread he is calling Pat a chump, nOOb Move anywhere.

s.hill02 said:

......... I know sam hill and steve smith and those guys ride it ........


Thanks

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Socket said:

wtf... he clearly meant that he knows THAT Sam Hill and Steve Smith use the shock... ****ing wankers you guys. Answer his question instead of just taking the opportunity to rip on him maybe?

Also, who cares what his username is? My real name is nothing do do with a socket...

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Actually the way thats read, he is saying he knows them.



As requested though, I gave a real answer

riddle me this s.hill will the vivid fit my 2007 sunday factory frame and where can the A tune be found? bump it up a notch and let me know if an obtainium spring will fit on that shock and frame as well.

Classic ride monkey thread right here... Pure comedy!

Its a $6200 top of the line DH bike, that shock will be fine, if you have to ask, you probably wont notice

It all depends on how much you weigh. If you're going to need a stiffer spring then the Vivid on the Sunday is not for you.

donkeyWC said:

riddle me this s.hill will the vivid fit my 2007 sunday factory frame and where can the A tune be found? bump it up a notch and let me know if an obtainium spring will fit on that shock and frame as well.

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The Vivid will fit, its just a tight fit as per my first post.

Obtainium is a sponsor of Sam Hill, who as you know runs a Sunday with a Vivid.
Check out their website dude - http://obtainiumperformanceproducts.com
I bought mine from them direct. Most expensive sticker I ever bought, comes with a free spring all for 300 bucks
One word of advice is check very thoroughly what weight you order, then double check when they send the confirmation, sometimes they substitute one weight for the other depending on availability.
I ordered a 350, they sent me a 375 but I didnt check the confirmation.
Turned out ok actually, in the end

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hey thanks ceng.dog.

are you running the vivid/obtainium on a 2007 sunday? your 1st post mentions frame rub; is this wearing the finish on the spring? and lastly, were you able to buy the A tune?

tia.

donkeyWC said:

riddle me this s.hill will the vivid fit my 2007 sunday factory frame and where can the A tune be found? bump it up a notch and let me know if an obtainium spring will fit on that shock and frame as well.

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As far as I can tell only the (B) tune is available aftermarket.Just get one then have Push tune it when they start that service(in development).The www.ObtainiumPerformanceProduct.com springs will fit that,is the shock they were originally designed around.They however will still work on any other shock out with the correct performance adapters.

ceng.dog said:

The Vivid will fit, its just a tight fit as per my first post.

Obtainium is a sponsor of Sam Hill, who as you know runs a Sunday with a Vivid.
Check out their website dude - http://obtainiumperformanceproducts.com
I bought mine from them direct. Most expensive sticker I ever bought, comes with a free spring all for 300 bucks
One word of advice is check very thoroughly what weight you order, then double check when they send the confirmation, sometimes they substitute one weight for the other depending on availability.
I ordered a 350, they sent me a 375 but I didnt check the confirmation.
Turned out ok actually, in the end

check it:

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Did you contact Jim,I don't believe the switch would have been intential.Did you give him the option when you ordered it.I bet it was just a mistake,but it sounds like it worked out for the better.

yeah, i know the spring fits the shock but i have read that the combination of vivid + obtainium (or even a stock vivid spring for that matter) rubs the sunday frame due to the increase in spring o.d.

also in the sunday sticky thread there is mention of a "2008 link kit" swap necessary for running a vivid on a 2007 sunday. i have queried ironhorse multiple times via email but no rspx.

donkeyWC said:

yeah, i know the spring fits the shock but i have read that the combination of vivid + obtainium (or even a stock vivid spring for that matter) rubs the sunday frame due to the increase in spring o.d.

also in the sunday sticky thread there is mention of a "2008 link kit" swap necessary for running a vivid on a 2007 sunday. i have queried ironhorse multiple times via email but no rspx.

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You are combinng a bunch of seperate questions, but let see....

1 you cannot get an A tuned vivid, they are not avail despite the marketing via RS

2 two posts above, carl mentioned staying away from the vivid if you need a 'stiffer than stock' spring....what does this mean??
Well all of these things have tollerances, the width of the uprights in the frame will vary a bit, the shock placement within the frame will vary a bit, the OD of the (any) spring will vary with weight, length, mfg, paint thickness, mfg tolerances....as well as changing OD slightly as the shock goes through the travel.

So will will the exact combination that you want to run rub....you would have to put it all together to be sure, but with the larger diameter spring on the Vivid, it would be safe to say that a spring over 300lb/in no matter the mfg will have a good chance of rubbing on the frame.

In the end, with the change to a larger diameter shock, the Sunday should have had the uprights slightly re-designed....and that was not done for one reason or another (last year of production..cost of re-tooling).

The link is a completely seperate issue and has nothing to do with spring or shock diameters not the uprights of the frame. The Vivid has a low wpeed rebound adjuster on one end that sits in a place where it would hit the lower link at bottom out. The contact is only a mm or so and is something you could easily mod with a file/dremel in a couple of minutes (there were pics of this mod floating around a while ago...maybe from Acadian??). The new lower link has this small 'cutout' already done for you.

None of this really matters however, because you cannot get a Vivid in A tune, and that is what the Sunday needs.

davep, so it sounds like a no go due to availability of the "A" tune.

i am running the 300 lbf/in spring on the dhx currently. if obtainium could post the nominal (with tolerance) dimension of the o.d. of a 3"x300 lbf/in spring, and any of the other springs for that matter, on their site i could handle the rest (e.g. measuring the seat post uprights, check interference with a mock-up, & link notching) on my end should the "A" tune vivid become available. i suspect obtainium only posts the i.d. because they know what mandrel they are wrapping around...or however they wind the wire.

i'm definitely not going to buy the vivid and wait on push to get up to speed as someone suggested above, because there is no telling how long i might be waiting; if forever.

also if the obtainium spring is rubbing on the frame i thought that you (davep) or someone else claimed it was imperative to maintain the finish on the shock in order to achieve the intended product longevity.

donkeyWC said:

davep, so it sounds like a no go due to availability of the "A" tune.

i am running the 300 lbf/in spring on the dhx currently. if obtainium could post the nominal (with tolerance) dimension of the o.d. of a 3"x300 lbf/in spring, and any of the other springs for that matter, on their site i could handle the rest (e.g. measuring the seat post uprights, check interference with a mock-up, & link notching) on my end should the "A" tune vivid become available. i suspect obtainium only posts the i.d. because they know what mandrel they are wrapping around...or however they wind the wire.

i'm definitely not going to buy the vivid and wait on push to get up to speed as someone suggested above, because there is no telling how long i might be waiting; if forever.

also if the obtainium spring is rubbing on the frame i thought that you (davep) or someone else claimed it was imperative to maintain the finish on the shock in order to achieve the intended product longevity.

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I was sort of in the same boat, have an 07 Sunday world cup and was thinking of going with a vivid....just because. Unfortunately, It has become apparent that unless you have a strong hook-up within RS or IH, you are NOT going ot get an 'A' tune no way, no how. I was going to go the Push route but their delay times have gotten pathetic in the last year or so. Wait time for simple service (not that I would pay someone else to do that) is a month out....the Lyric and boxxer mods were announced 6-8 months ago and they are no closer to geting those available....I would guess the Vivid work will be AT LEAST a year away....I am also not sure i fpush needs to start with an 'A' tune of if all those parts are being replaced and a 'B' tune plus Push would work on a sunday. At this time, since the service is not even being offered, I have droped the idea for this year, and will continue on the DHX for now....

About the spring, contact Jim at Obtainium. He is super buisy as he is a one man show, but I am sure he would be happy to give you an OD measurement (or range as they are all going to vary a bit in production (heat treating, media blasting, etching, painting)). He is a good guy and well versed in tech knowledge (as you know ti springs are usually used in 'higher tech' uses..and he has been in the biz for a while) so he can answer your questions for sure, just may take him a few days to get back to you.

I would not worry too much about the spring if it rubs..but ti will eat through other materials pretty quickly.

Class act from some on here as usual.
Brillant

donkeyWC said:

i'm definitely not going to buy the vivid and wait on push to get up to speed as someone suggested above, because there is no telling how long i might be waiting; if forever.

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why would you need to wait, this was posted ages ago
http://www.sicklines.com/2008/02/21/push-industries-4-way-rock-shox-vivid-more/

donkeyWC said:

also if the obtainium spring is rubbing on the frame i thought that you (davep) or someone else claimed it was imperative to maintain the finish on the shock in order to achieve the intended product longevity.

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Finish on the shock?
The outside of the spring rubs the inside of the uprights on the frame, I cant understand that response, and at the most we are talking about is 1mm of overall damage. Its pretty minimal but it is there.
The vivid is very robust, I have one retro fitted to an SW Trail2, and its not an ideal fit, and still poopies over a DHX.
My M3 has a B tuned Vivid and turned the twitchy rear end into a stable bulldozer. I cant ride for poopie, so I need all the help I can get, and the Vivid is the best help I've had.
A Sunday isnt an M3 I know, but I do know and ride with people who have current model WC frames with Vivids.
Speaking of which one of them has a 19" 08 WC frame is for sale..
(It is too big, so he bought an M6)

ceng.dog said:

why would you need to wait, this was posted ages ago
http://www.sicklines.com/2008/02/21/push-industries-4-way-rock-shox-vivid-more/

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Just because it was posted ages ago doesn't mean the service is actually available.oster_oops:

ceng.dog said:

why would you need to wait, this was posted ages ago
http://www.sicklines.com/2008/02/21/push-industries-4-way-rock-shox-vivid-more/


Finish on the shock?
The outside of the spring rubs the inside of the uprights on the frame, I cant understand that response, and at the most we are talking about is 1mm of overall damage. Its pretty minimal but it is there.
The vivid is very robust, I have one retro fitted to an SW Trail2, and its not an ideal fit, and still poopies over a DHX.
My M3 has a B tuned Vivid and turned the twitchy rear end into a stable bulldozer. I cant ride for poopie, so I need all the help I can get, and the Vivid is the best help I've had.
A Sunday isnt an M3 I know, but I do know and ride with people who have current model WC frames with Vivids.
Speaking of which one of them has a 19" 08 WC frame is for sale..
(It is too big, so he bought an M6)

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that is a typo, i was referring to the finish on the spring.

ceng.dog said:

why would you need to wait, this was posted ages ago
http://www.sicklines.com/2008/02/21/push-industries-4-way-rock-shox-vivid-more/


Finish on the shock?
The outside of the spring rubs the inside of the uprights on the frame, I cant understand that response, and at the most we are talking about is 1mm of overall damage. Its pretty minimal but it is there.
The vivid is very robust, I have one retro fitted to an SW Trail2, and its not an ideal fit, and still poopies over a DHX.
My M3 has a B tuned Vivid and turned the twitchy rear end into a stable bulldozer. I cant ride for poopie, so I need all the help I can get, and the Vivid is the best help I've had.
A Sunday isnt an M3 I know, but I do know and ride with people who have current model WC frames with Vivids.
Speaking of which one of them has a 19" 08 WC frame is for sale..
(It is too big, so he bought an M6)

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Try to 'up' the reading comprehension next time. The time differential between Push press releases and product availability was a large part of what I wrote above......of course you could have actually gone to Push's site and noticed the glaring absence of 'Vivid tuning'........

How many of you guys got Sundays thinking you were going to ride like Sam Hill? ALOT, but guess what you still slow figure it out.

ceng.dog said:

In concluding though, the Vivid is certainly my favourite of all of the current readily accessible shocks (haven't touched a Bos), and one of the cheaper options out there

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You need to try a Double Barrel guy.

davep said:

Try to 'up' the reading comprehension next time. The time differential between Push press releases and product availability was a large part of what I wrote above......of course you could have actually gone to Push's site and noticed the glaring absence of 'Vivid tuning'........

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Fair call, missed it

Is the tuning difference between 'A' & 'B' something your local importer could/should have access to?
These shocks afterall, are serviced by the licensced dealers. There prouct knowledge should be up to scratch. It could be worthwhile trying that avenue for a simple fix

boogenman said:

You need to try a Double Barrel guy.

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I'd need an M6 to go with it, thats the plan anyway