I'm sure that makes Dave feel a whole lot better
lthumbsdown:I am sorry for your legal troubles with Giant and hope that you can win the uphill legal battle against a large corporation that was obviously short on brilliant suspension ideas. Karma is great but obviously you deserve to get paid for your work and have your designs protected.
monk hits it outta the park! and frankly, a lot of people don't hang out on message boards, and have no idea about the infringements, or, don't care either way....See the funny part about this, is that it would be fairly easy to make a statement regarding this. Its funny that people comment over and over about "its a shame Dave" and "we feel real bad for you", and then go and buy the damn bike.
If there is no honor in the cycling industry, it would be easy for the community as a whole to force a company to pony up. if the riders would as a group protest, sign a petition and not buy the bike, I can bet that a company that size would notice.
However the very real truth is that all the sentiments towards Dave are hollow, and won't be acted upon. People just want to ride bikes, and spend as little as possible. With Giant, you get both those things. It will undoubtedly ride well, and it will be cheap.
Its a shame though that it comes at the cost of Dave's livelihood.
Dave, if you're at bromont, i'll at least buy you a slushy.
ummm...just WOW!
Yeah, it's unreal. I've been dealing with this for the past few months with a Chinese company. We spent the time and money to get an application patent in both Taiwan and China. Really the best we can hope for is for said company to stop distribution in the states, but it's almost impossible to stop them from manufacturing and selling it elsewhere.
Not being a jackass - I just thought it funny that you decide not to buy a Giant and feel bad for Dave, and then in the next sentence say you're glad you jumped to a competing design.yah I'm sure. but then again, big things are made up of little things and even if its a drop of water in the ocean its still in his favor. No need to be a jackass about it
To clarify, if that is a copy of the DW link then shame on Giant and Dave clearly has the right to file a suit and let the courts handle this and hopefully he will win.ummm...just WOW!
Nope. Maestro is a version of dw link and that was said before quite often. However I've wondered why DW and IH didn't fill the lawsuit.
Dude. Its one thing to say it, its another to prove it. So unless you got proof........ I'm pretty sure DW doesn't own the right to make a 2 link bike. Its how those 2 links drive the rear axle that matters.
I agree with you mate...If there is proof then i will shut my mouth and allow a spanking!
I've patented a few things and know exactly what you're going through.
Yup the guy who invented walkman needed years and millions dollars to receive cash settlement and royalties from sony.
Have a look at the old VPP
I heard about that. Wasn't it orginally started a low/middle end euro bicycle company? Could be confusing myself though...happens often enoughHave a look at the old VPP
Outland Bicycles
That's exactly right. Funny how many people are armchair engineers/lawyers.
I do see what your saying but there is more to it really. Lets say for instance I was the first person to develop a mountain bike with suspension and some how got the rights to suspension. Now that would in no way advance bike design as only people I said could make suspension bikes could do it and I would take a cut of the profits. No I know in real life that would never happen or anything similar that that but that is a exaggerated example to try and show the point I was after.
No, thats not business, that's corruption. Accpeting it as status quo is certainly not the 'right way'.
Would you care to elaborate on how Giant are stealing DW idea and how it differs from the way many other patents are similar to DW and were around before it? If legally Gaint are not stealing I dont see the problem as DW is also legally not stealing.
