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Oil weight in DJ1, quick help, please?

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
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Alright, picked up a NICE 2004 DJ1 for a song from my bud. It's sweet for a few reasons, one cuz it was cheap, two because the first owner swapped out the upper steel stuff(stanchions and steertube) for the lighter alloy versions. Still burly, but shaves like 13 pounds or so...
I opened it up to check out its guts and it was full of motor oil! Now before I opened it up it was nearly rigid. I have no idea what the weight of the original oil was but the rebound wouldn't even let it flow fast enough, kept packing the fork down. I put in 10wt fork oil figuring that's a good enough place to start and I'd go up from there. NOPE. Fork is now basically an air spring with no controls! It about rips the bars out of my fingers when I lift it off the ground quickly and that's with neutral PSI! So no rebound...equals too thick of oil perhaps?
I think 7wt is the thinnest fork oil I can get and it's spendy. 5wt motor oil with a spoonful of tranny fluid to keep it from foaming?
 

rainbow_smoke

Monkey
Sep 19, 2003
265
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Bellingham, WA
why don't you adjust the rebound via the external rebound adjuster??
and 10wt should be pretty good if the rebound is adjusted properly...if there is no external adjuster there should be an allen adjust inside the leg, pop the top caps and remove the springs and drop an allen in there
 

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
2,692
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Pacific North Wet
It's an 04. It's external. Thanks for calling me a retard, dude.
I've gone from 20wt, to 10wt, to 7wt, now at 5wt motor oil with a cap full of trans fluid to prevent cavitation. NO CHANGE.
I keep hearing about "blown rebounds" but I don't see how that's even possible. I can pull the cartidge and watch the "window" open and close. I don't think there's much else to it than hard, mechanical parts, i.e. no rubber seals, etc. Even with WATER I should be able to feel the rebound do it's job. Nothin but harsh top-out. I'm running neg psi on one side just to keep it from slapping so hard. Also dropped it down to 80mm travel, so it doesn't have 6" of travel to build up speed then rip the bar out of my hands! lol! I'm confused.
 

allsk8sno

Turbo Monkey
Jun 6, 2002
1,153
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Bellingham, WA
well to be honest you didn't mention that the adjustment had no effect....anyways i have no idea...i guess you could try and take the cartridge apart...maybe the window you see has no sides and the oil just passes right by...i don't know the exact shims in one of these puppies but i do have an 03/04 hybrid that has the lower foot nuts stuck on...cartridge spins...i need to get my friends impact wrench on it so i can lower it to 90mm from 130

ps that was me on my wifes SN
 

BikeMike

Monkey
Feb 24, 2006
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You're saying that there is now uncontrolled rebound and harsh top-out, right?

Check that the SSV washer guy is in place properly. And that there is nothing getting in its way (check the lower inside part of the stanchions.)

As for oil weight, Marzocchi specs a 7 wt, but their forks usually work well with 10 wt too.
 

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
2,692
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Pacific North Wet
ps that was me on my wifes SN

Uh huh...likely story...I think we can all safely assume that's your personna for "other" websites...?

As for getting the nut off, just try sideloading the cartridge/pump rod a bit, even just pulling down on the ratchet a bit will usually break em loose for me. And do it the way my buddy did...grab my $400 cordless impact, don'
t bother to check which direction it's going, then sheer the end of the pumping rod right off. I guess it got the lowers off, so technically it worked...? :bonk:

I'm gonna pull the cartridge apart tonight I think, mess with it a bit. But I think it's pointless, it's a pretty damn simple valve. Big window open, big window closed. But not sure I know what the SSV washer actually is... There's two washers with 3 slots in each, but I think they're just spring seats...there's a plastic spring seat for the useless side...that's about it really. Just the rods, the seats/cone ends, topout springs...that's about it. And I haven't been able to find crap on Marzocchi's "tech area." I'll try googling a few things...
 

allsk8sno

Turbo Monkey
Jun 6, 2002
1,153
33
Bellingham, WA
see the nut is loose already...with some slight play in the fork...makes me think my HS is loose. but i've spent a good 45 minutes trying to get it loose with all manner of side loading and what not...and i plan on checking the direction before slipping the wrench on its an air version too...
 

DirtEveryDay

Turbo Monkey
Nov 24, 2003
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Pacific North Wet
Gotcha. Good luck with that! Oh, also try using a wrench the sise of the shaft, but smaller than the nut or even a knife blade depending on how much space(if any?) you now have under the nut? Push up on the nut while turning? Works on trucks...
I just dumped the oil out AGAIN in my fork and there's atleast some difference between it and the 10wt, so it's doing SOMETHING. I'm gonna plop some 40wt in and see what happens. I've read a few stories that that's what it took to get a few other peeps forks workin right.