supremecockriding rode a broken one for like a year that was cracked. Didn't kill him. The falling unrelated to the bike is what made him a little funky in the head.
2009 Commencal DH SUPREME
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So all you guys are from "socal" It's just like all the kids from new jersey...what losers.
SooooCAL brah!!! U don't git none unless you got your Tapout trucker hat cocked sideways yo....
my friend has been riding his supreme dh with a cracked chainstay for the past year (2007 frame)
Riding Supreme rode an 06' with a crack under the headtube, and your right it wasn't really growing once it appeared. It was for this reason I felt comfortable riding my 2008 which started cracking in the same spot, once again I will state, after 3 MONTHS. The crack was consistently getting wider and more visible on mine though. Then someone noticed some hairline cracks starting to form all over the welds near the dropouts on the swingarm, not good. It was then I decided to overcome my extreme desire to be on a bicycle 24/7 and stop riding this deathtrap. I researched it online and as it turns out a lot of people were having the same exact problems as me. I don't know if Commencal stood behind their product with anyone else, but they sure turned a blind eye to my ordeal.
All I have to say to regain top entertainment value is this;
Compare yourself to me, Then kill yourself.
My bike is way cooler than yours. I'm way cooler than you will ever be, and umm.. ya kill yourself. (insert family guy clip unrelated to the subject here.)
*** <You know what that means!
hahaha
Compare yourself to me, Then kill yourself.
My bike is way cooler than yours. I'm way cooler than you will ever be, and umm.. ya kill yourself. (insert family guy clip unrelated to the subject here.)
*** <You know what that means!
hahaha
Heres that family guy clip I mentioned
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/fg-wheel-of-fortune-p1.php
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/fg-wheel-of-fortune-p1.php
oh and this one is for gordon. A symbol of my respect towards your douchbagitus
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/family-guy-puke-p1.php
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/family-guy-puke-p1.php
Now for something a little more serious.
About the cracking head tubes, chain stays, etc.. If you look carefully on the new bikes and compare them to the old, you will notice large improvements in reinforcement. They made the material in the gussets thicker, and the weld beads wider as well. And that's mostly noticeable in the head tube. For the Swing arm, not only did they strengthen through design, but they also added extra material on the brake side of the swing arm to reinforce it. I am very sure that the new frames are 100% stronger and less likely to crack than the old ones.
and to the haters out there who have broken their commencal's.. how many bikes have you broken? Perhaps your commencal disagreeing with you, (to put it as nicely as I can,) is not the first time you've experienced frame failure? Perhaps there are more forces at work on your frame than even you realize. And I do include myself in that statement.
When you ride hard at any level things break, its just the way things are. Its up to the manufacture to produce products which exceed the need, if you will. Which brings me to a point much larger than this silly thread;
Manufactures seem to be exceedingly less helpful in any sense these days, haven't you all noticed? Even at races, most company's wont even take 10 minutes to change the seals on you fox 40's even if your a Junior X or higher.
And the company's that do offer help demand the same $ if not more than you would pay at your local shop. Its really quite sad.
How many people that went to sea otter noticed this as well? How many of you cats who work at bikes shops find it harder and harder to get things warrantied or replaced from a manufacture?
You can either, go home and cry about it then buy a new one, or you can just cry about it and quit riding all together. I on the other hand won't quit riding unless I am physically unable to, no matter what the cost. Can I get a witnESS AH!
About the cracking head tubes, chain stays, etc.. If you look carefully on the new bikes and compare them to the old, you will notice large improvements in reinforcement. They made the material in the gussets thicker, and the weld beads wider as well. And that's mostly noticeable in the head tube. For the Swing arm, not only did they strengthen through design, but they also added extra material on the brake side of the swing arm to reinforce it. I am very sure that the new frames are 100% stronger and less likely to crack than the old ones.
and to the haters out there who have broken their commencal's.. how many bikes have you broken? Perhaps your commencal disagreeing with you, (to put it as nicely as I can,) is not the first time you've experienced frame failure? Perhaps there are more forces at work on your frame than even you realize. And I do include myself in that statement.
When you ride hard at any level things break, its just the way things are. Its up to the manufacture to produce products which exceed the need, if you will. Which brings me to a point much larger than this silly thread;
Manufactures seem to be exceedingly less helpful in any sense these days, haven't you all noticed? Even at races, most company's wont even take 10 minutes to change the seals on you fox 40's even if your a Junior X or higher.
And the company's that do offer help demand the same $ if not more than you would pay at your local shop. Its really quite sad.
How many people that went to sea otter noticed this as well? How many of you cats who work at bikes shops find it harder and harder to get things warrantied or replaced from a manufacture?
You can either, go home and cry about it then buy a new one, or you can just cry about it and quit riding all together. I on the other hand won't quit riding unless I am physically unable to, no matter what the cost. Can I get a witnESS AH!
^ I never really understood the mentality of free parts and service 'at the races'...why does everyone expect this?
I have used the same analogies forever-I can not take my motocross bike to the pits at supercross and get new top end, I can not take my canon cameras to an expo and get new rubber grips put on, I can not take my macbookpro to a computer expo and have apple replace the worn keyboard.
Head still spinning with why the bike industry was 'supposed' to give out free sh1t.
I have used the same analogies forever-I can not take my motocross bike to the pits at supercross and get new top end, I can not take my canon cameras to an expo and get new rubber grips put on, I can not take my macbookpro to a computer expo and have apple replace the worn keyboard.
Head still spinning with why the bike industry was 'supposed' to give out free sh1t.
Coming from the guy who can't even install his own chainguide. You better watch your mouth or I'll never even look at your bike againAll I have to say to regain top entertainment value is this;
Compare yourself to me, Then kill yourself.
My bike is way cooler than yours. I'm way cooler than you will ever be, and umm.. ya kill yourself. (insert family guy clip unrelated to the subject here.)
*** <You know what that means!
Its not just about the quality of the bikes, its about the company as a whole. They are terrible to work with and have no interest in pleasing or working with their customers. Commencal has by far the worst customer service of any company (even non-bike related) that I have ever seen. I have had better luck at the DMV for gods-sake. Furthermore, I don't care how much of a hack you are, NO FRAME should crack anywhere after only 3 months, you can't possibly argue with that. If you plan on buying a Commencal you had might as well just kick yourself if the nads, if you have any that is.
I don't know **** about Comencal frames, but ANY frame is just as likely to crack on day 1 of hard use as it is on day 100, assuming you're keeping your shock and fork serviced and your pivots tight. If you hit it too hard, it breaks. It doesn't matter how old it is.
thank you. I have never understood that either. About time someone else questioned that.....
The mentality might stem from companies providing free &/or heavily discounted goods & services at races. I never bought chain lube between 1994 and 98 because Pedros would hook everyone up at the races.
I've never had such luck or expected it with repairs. Only experience was getting a shock & fork rebuilt @ the rockshox tent... and paying for it
I've never had such luck or expected it with repairs. Only experience was getting a shock & fork rebuilt @ the rockshox tent... and paying for it
Dude....enough with the family guy shiat. We know you're a virgin already.
The top end of your moto and the grips on your camera are not so fragile and pricey and made-like-crap-to-save-5g-of-weight-for-racing, so if people are spending money on that kinda junk they had better back it up, guess what, at a race!
Because R tard. People who race are the people who spend the most money on the best $***. How dense are you that your head is always spinning. perhaps you should wear a helmet when you ride.
if your keyboard is worn out, clearly you spend too much time yapping. If you really had a mind capable of conceiving the idea of a few simple hand-outs in support of those who ride in the only manner which really matters. Racing is what brings out design flaws, Racing is the WHOLE F ING REASON THERE ARE NEW PRODUCTS EVERY YEAR.
so like I said, perhaps you should wear a helmet when you ride. and for that matter, maybe you should wear one when trying to have an adult conversation too.
irate2:Well put there, champ. Adults usually don't make personal attacks like "tard" or questioning other's intelligence and mental state. Adults usually master the form of passive aggression rather than blatant childish name calling. Regardless though, this thread is quite entertaining to read.maybe you should wear one when trying to have an adult conversation too.
"ring ring"
Hello (insert fork/shock/frame/component manufacturer her) technical support. How can I help you?
Yes, I have a blown fork seal on my (insert 1 to 6 months) old fork & racing (insert National/Regional/Local) race. What should I do?
Oh, well rather than send it in, I'm gonna be riding/racing/repping/tuning at (insert National/Regional/Local) race. Just bring the fork by the tent & we'll handle it there.
Cool. Thanks so much. I'll see you there. Maybe we can do a couple runs together.
SWEET! Thanks for calling (insert fork/shock/frame/component manufacturer her) technical support.
Now multiply it by the factor of DUDE...BUDDY...BRO! and you get to where we are today.
Because R tard. People who race are the people who spend the most money on the best $***. How dense are you that your head is always spinning. perhaps you should wear a helmet when you ride.
if your keyboard is worn out, clearly you spend too much time yapping. If you really had a mind capable of conceiving the idea of a few simple hand-outs in support of those who ride in the only manner which really matters. Racing is what brings out design flaws, Racing is the WHOLE F ING REASON THERE ARE NEW PRODUCTS EVERY YEAR.
so like I said, perhaps you should wear a helmet when you ride. and for that matter, maybe you should wear one when trying to have an adult conversation too.
Please keep up this kind of response. I would love you to give someone the motivation to remove you from this board. There are many that are here specifically to avoid your type.
BTW, if you are serious about this blathering, you might want to look into stick's past....he might just know a little about the mtb bike biz in general, and racing specifically.
Ignore list update.
Are you sure you had the 2008 Commencal ? or maybe the one you received was a factory defect. It is kinda odd that commencal wouldn't help you, because they have a 2 year warantee system in which they will replace anything that breaks on the frame without question. You being a shop employee and all Isn't it supposed to be easier for you to get a replacement? the late batch of 2007 - 2008 commencal's have the head tube reinforced. I cracked the head tube on my 2006 Supreme, but loved the frame soo much I decided to buy a 2008 one, and I love the thing to death.
I too had a 2006, when it cracked they were very helpful and gave me a new frame. They had it shipped pretty fast; I got it with in 3 weeks. The 2008 has a pretty large gusset plate at the base of the head tube and down tube junction. I was very happy with the bike and must say it is quite certainly my favorite bike that I have had so far. I just got the new frame a few weeks ago and have been very happy so far, still working the kinks out but I'm sure it will surpass the 2008. It really sucks if you had a bad experience with them. They were very nice and cordial with me.
Ever heard of yield???
Just curious as to what method you are using to analyze the metal? I'm guessing X-Ray would be the most effective, or did you use another procedure?
Has anyone emailed this thread to Commencal yet?
hahahah.. This thread is awesome. I can only hope that there is enough chlorine for the gene pool.
brother, the reason there are chicks at the motocross races is because they came with the dude who's already got money. If you don't need a CDL to drive your rig to a moto these days, you might not get in the gate.
But, in all fairness...scanning Racer X's "fan of the week" makes me wanna throttle...something!:
........sorry...I just had to liven this thread up some.
Thanks bizutch for the third one. I wonder what type of raisons the second one is smuggling. My guess is Sun-Maid...
Am I sure it was a 2008??? You know now that I think about it, it was most likely a 2012 prototype with a 2008 paint job. I bet thats why they wouldn't warranty it, I had no proof it was a 2012. About being a shop employee, after Commencal did all this to me, they tried to tell me they wanted us to be a dealer. Ya, thats exactly what we want. That way when bikes keep braking every three months we won't have to warranty anything and people will just keep buying $3000 f'ing dollar frames all the time, apparantly that is Commencal's sales tactic. Hope its working out for them.
I had my '08 meta 6 crack around the toptube just at the back of the gusset....took about a month to get a replacement from france to BC....my friend last I heard was still waiting on his replacement m5.5 that broke before mine though.....I've heard hit and miss stories, but I'm happy with how the bike rides....would be nice if they had extra's in country though to expedite warrenty issues though.....
You will never own a DH bike long enough or ride it enough miles for fatigue to be the source of failure. You will always yield some portion of the frame long before that.
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