Seems to be a popular trend....
Two DW ripoffs in one bike!!!!
the dw-link patents dont involve the shock mounting but rather the axle path (how you can get away with patenting an axle path i don't know...anywho), so it still could technically infringe.
Cesar Rojo, (ex Global Racing) the frame designer had a 10.5 vivid on in whistler. He raced Canadian Open on the Vivid, said it felt much better than the BOS since, he couldnt get the BOS compression setting low enough for the bike.
woop, Some one said it!!!I hope this doesn't come off as a rant but........ I'm a bit suspicious of the current trend to lower the leverage ratio of all new bikes. I see it more as a marketing effort to parallel the success of the Sunday rather than an actual performance enhancer. We appear to go through this cycle every five years(think SPV). It seems to me that shock technology is finally coming into sync with the current frame designs. So now that we've got things just right, let's drop our leverage ratio so that our shock will be over damped. Of course that's alright since you can always spend some extra cash to get your shock "custom" tuned(gutted) to make it feel normal again. On the flip side you've got a fairly capable rig called the V-10 which is known to have a ratio that is higher than most and yet a rider like Rennie, who is larger than most, prefers to run the DHX reletivley wide open(according to his set-up video). So who is it that is demanding that their bikes have a larger oil plunger beneath their trousers? Having spent the last season on a CCDB equipped Sunday I am well aware of how capable the new breed of dampers are. I only worry that as we approach the LLRatio extremes we will begin to lose tunability. I guess my point is that a 10.5 shock won't automatically turn your bike into a magic carpet; only Sanjay can.
Actually the dw-link patents for the most part focus on anti-squat curves and associated pivot placement and linkage layouts to achieve said ant-squat curves.
Your memory serves you well, the prototype Sundays used a floating shock mount, which was later changed to the concentric mount after testing showed that we wanted to add more early travel progression.
Boy, you and me both wish for that Damo. In my world, there are few things worse than stuff like this. You might not be old enough to lose sleep at night over things, I am though, and this is the type of thing that does it..
There is an extra pivot on the Sinister, the rear end can float back and forth unsprung.
IIRC it helps take some of the stress off of the front triangle of the bike by having the shock push against the linkage on both ends, instead of pushing one end against the linkage and the other against the front triangle. It allows for a slightly lighter tubeset I believe. Cannondale is also using this design on their new Moto bike (there's another bike using it from c'dale, can't remember the name at the moment).
They should solve the spring bending/rubbing issues first.
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I don't think its a bending issue... with a coil designed for that much stroke, you're going to get an increased amount of change in the dimensions of the spring (ever watch a spring when you compress it? the diameter changes slightly with more displacement). Having a Ti spring is only going to increase this problem, because of how they are wound (when compared to steel springs - which have more winds over the length of the coil).They should solve the spring bending/rubbing issues first.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?p=4772712&postcount=17
Yeah because horrifically overdamped rearends are just what DH bikes need, and who needs the right spring rate anyway?
