You have to be completely unaware of the past 7.5 years to believe that. The POTUS may struggle with the power they have to make changes, especially in some areas, but they certainly have the ability to fµck things up when they do not know what they are doing.She would be just a doll, with very limited actual power just like anyone else in that position
Palin has no business being a VP candidate
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Presidential Signing Statements. Look them up. If McCain passes or becomes otherwise unable to perform his duties, this raging lunatic of a woman who wishes creationism be taught in school, would like to see sex ed go away and who likes to fire people who do not agree with her, will have all the power she needs.She would be just a doll, with very limited actual power just like anyone else in that position
And talking about "the sole remaining superpower" is funny, especially with the current global situation in mind.
Ps: what is your definition of the "free" world?
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/signing.htm
George Bush has single handedly changes more than 1100 laws, despite the fact that the executive is not supposed to be able to do that, except in cases of extreme urgency through signings.
Here's a fun one: the government's now allowed to open mail without a warrant, thanks to Dubya.
http://www.coherentbabble.com/signingstatements/SSann2006.htm#2006-20b
Also, despite the current atmosphere in the USA, if you don't think that as a citizen you are more free than citizens of North Korea, Iran or China; you are incredibly delusional.
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LOL!So what your definition of hypocrisy? My understanding is that hypocrisy means to ask others to do as you say, not as you do. Kind of what Limousine- Liberals do with regards to the environment. If Mrs. Palin had pushed her child to abort the pregnancy, that would be hypocrisy.
Governor Palin's problem, like all of us now on this earth, is she is not perfect. That also includes her daughter. We are all flawed. Its how you handle your adversity that matters.
This is a bike site. A limo here is a push cart attached to your front fork.
I really don't care much about her daughter getting knocked up. I worry about her beliefs and how they match up to mine.
For example, my sister is gay. I wonder how her religion will allow my sister to hold onto the protections of law she and her family enjoy.
I wonder how a white person in a mostly white state is going to represent my interests as a minority.
I wonder how a person who I believe has not traveled much around America or the world is going to relate to me.
I have a lot of questions which remain to be answered.
I heard that line from every interviewee at the RNC.
Tell you what: go down to your local city council sit in the spectator section.
The first thing you will wonder is how the city council is able to stay awake.
If you can stay awake for 3 hours, you will kiss their feet for handling all the ridiculous issues like paying for the stop signs and when to bring out the snow plows.
You won't be leaving thinking, wow, that mayor who decided to table this issue until the next legislative session, that guy is ready to decide who we should go to war with.
Just to clarify, Palin didn't do this, even as mayor. Wassila is in the Bureau of Anchorage, and as such, sanitation, snow removal etc is handled by the Anchorage city council.
She may have paid for stop signs when she wasn't threatening librarians who wouldn't ban books, attending successionist meetings or skinning a moose,
Her co-workers would be experineced politics, who are in charge for last 8 years. I doubt that Schrub signed any of laws you are talking about on his own.
Free is relative term. In any given country some people are more "free" than others. Anyway you didn't anwser my question. When country become part of free world? How can country gain freedom? When they are lead by other, more powerfull countries? Or through democracy? With becoming a member of coalition of the willing?
They are presidential signing statements. He signed each and everyone on his own. There is no oversight, there is no veto. This, by definition, is a presidential signing statement.
Sanjuro isn't a dumbass all the time.
What ever happened to judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin (or whatever their plumbing is)?
You are right, a Chicago community agitator is much more ready for that job.:huh:
Many (many) years ago, that was my experience watching the U.S. Senate in person. A lot of blow-hards talking about stuff that they had new clue about.
ianal, but i'm pretty sure gov palin's constitutionally protected right to express her religion does not include mandating favoritism and protection only upon others who share her beliefs. besides, i think the westboro baptist church doesn't have sister churches outside kansas (or anywhere for that matter). let's make a deal: i'll never seriously suggest gays seek leadership positions in order to recruit kids, and you stop the madness of suggesting christians of any stripe would want to round up all the fags. if it were true, the pews would be empty & tithes would suffer...and we can't have that, now can we?
apart from the fact every presidential ticket has had 2 white guys from 2 mostly white states, this concern (if honest) shouldn't just now be raised. i gotta tell ya, if i ever had to be a minority in any country on earth, i'd be an asian in this country. besides distorted depictions of hate crimes in spike lee joints, what significant & ongoing (even perceived) oppression is there toward asians? [ed: this may not have been what you were driving at it seems...hmmm...]
wouldn't a more valid concern be someone who lives in a vastly different financial stratum? these last few gen'l elections have revealed a widening gulf between the presidential hopefuls & the day-to-day hopefuls. everybody running for high office is elite. it's just a matter of how well they can pander undetected
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How do you know I'm talking about the daughter, hmmmmmm?
It is obvious that Governor Palin is more than qualified. If she weren't, the Angry-Left would let her and McCain sink on their own.
You're right, it's not hypocrisy, it's proof of a complete lack of sound judgement in both public policy and her own family leadership: as an adamant supporter (pusher?) of abstinence as the only choice for birth control, you'd think she could keep the reigns on her own kids let alone the policies for a whole nation.
When you manufacture your own adversity, I can hardly call you strong for standing up to it.
Do you really, honestly believe that? Really? No, really?
I'm not too worried about sinking on their own. She will be eaten alive in the campaign... the baby thing is just good old-fashioned fun while we're waiting for the conventions to end.
Is that what you think? I never thought that?
I don't it is simply a matter of color, but of experience. Palin is from a very homogeneous population, which happens to be white. My concern is that she doesn't have much contact with a lot of races.
I know a lot of white people like that, and it is usually amusing faux-pas that I deal with, like "You're Oriental, right".
I don't want someone like that as my president or my vice president.
to have out of wedlock babies? Sure, OK.
Qualified to be VP, I guess so, she's old enough, a citizen by birth.
Deserves to be VP. Nope. There are waaaay more logical and practical choices out there.
KBH for one, but that's just me.
Or a bitter old NVA ex-prisoner?
aren't they all Eskimos and live in igloos up there? :biggrin:
i have a different tack:
i believe palin's reigns were too tight, and by not modeling grace for her daughter, she acted out. and where did you get that sarah is the leader of her family? shouldn't that be todd in this traditional set-up? i also find it telling you use the phrase "complete lack of sound judgement [sic] in ... public policy"; are you now suggesting that she did indeed have a great deal of responsibility, which would in essence be furthering her qualifications for vice-president?
I hope it is clear that I don't know much about Sarah Palin. She hasn't been rigorously challenged by the media as of yet.
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I do have very clear questions that I would like answered. Honestly, these questions are because of my deep concerns with what Palin is really like.
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Call me a Democrat for Palin. I think she's the absolute BEST thing to happen to the GOP the "read my lips, no new taxes" line. I spoke to my parents (moderate republicans) about this last night for a new (non-GOP-shill) perspective, and they're just dumbfounded by the whole thing. They see this as total pandering by McCain and were really, really turned off by the whole thing, both in her as a candidate and him for choosing her. Not sure who they're going to vote for in the end (they've been SICK of Bush for years now), but I was reassured that it really does just seem to be the GOP talking heads (and bloggers) who actually like this woman.
I'm a bit indecisive about whether I want her to drop out or not... on the one hand, her being on the ticket is a lightening rod that has driven voters towards Obama and changed this to a referendum on McCain (and Bush) instead of the story being whether Obama is ready to lead. On the other hand, making a choice, allowing all of your surrogates to go on and on and on about how WONDERFUL this woman is, how she's the absolute best choice for America and how she has foreign policy experience because Alaska is close to Russia, and then to yank her back and say "nevermind, I changed my mind, my real choice is Romney" would be devastating. Devastating for him since it would look like he couldn't make up his mind, and devastating for the GOP who just had to swallow their pride and talk up this inexperienced governor and then get left out to dry.
I hope you never have kids or your kids are perfection. Silly to say that your child's missteps is a reflection on your judgment.
Yes, KBH is a women, but she would not fire up the base (or the Left) like SP is.
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I'm not a parent, so I can't say what she should have done. Only that what she did, didn't work.
I don't see where I state she has a great deal of responsibility, only a voice. I should have been more specific: in policy, she advocates an abstinence only approach (a "great deal of responsibility" would require that she actually made that happen in her home state). I say that this demonstrates poor judgment (thanks for the sic) in policies regarding birth control and teen pregnancy, as proven by the fact that it didn't even work for her family. How can she expect it to work for the diverse nation as a whole?
I do have a child, a 13 year old and I consider everything he does, good or bad to be a reflection of my parenting, therefore my character and moral base. Will kids screw up? Yes. Do they know right from wrong? Yes.
When are the cops going to bust the 18 y.o. baby daddy for statutory rape of a minor, hmm?
Yeah, I hear you. god forbid we have political leaders that do something for the country other than give Sean Hannity a hard on and Rush the shivers..
sheesh...
When you are pushing your parenting techniques and values onto an entire country, I would say that the outcome of your parenting is of critical importance. Abstinence did not work in her own household. It is insanity for her to still believe that it will work for the entire nation.
gun to my head 5 days ago & i couldn't recognize her name. i barely know the names of 5 other sitting governors
wat? to the best of my knowledge, she gave birth to Track about the first anniversary of marriage
[ed: it looks like it could have been a shotgun wedding just like bristol's will soon be]
[ed#2: the quick math puts the birth @ 37 weeks after marriage, which is barely full term; my daughter was born @ 37 weeks, but we're at a higher elevation where this isn't so rare]
too old/white/texan; it would be very unoriginal & never fly
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you mean it worked 99% of the time. hey, that's damn good!
is planned parenthood's only role to abort the medical by-product of the unwed/underaged? i thought they were a women's health care service provider
this is a poor argument, but does open up the cynical jab of obama's statement about being punished with a baby (which i believe is the main reason why he's purporting to stay above the fray)
Well the good thing is when she goes hunting. There is a better chance for her hunting partner to not get shot like Cheney's friend did.
Yes, well said. I forgot to note that with decades of sex-ed in elementary, middle, and high schools, along with free condoms, that teenage pregnancies has dropped to (near) zero.
This statement has to be tongue-in-cheek. If it's not, I fear there's a large understanding leakage that needs to be shored up.Yes, well said. I forgot to note that with decades of sex-ed in elementary, middle, and high schools, along with free condoms, that teenage pregnancies has dropped to (near) zero.
Schools do not have the power of suggestion that parents do. Parents do not have the power of suggestion that peers do.
Education on a subject only goes so far. Parents instilling in their children what the consequences are for their actions only goes so far. Once people (kids especially) are educated fully about what the hell they're doing and how it will effect them, they are in a much better situational mindset.
Just pushing the Falco-agenda doesn't work. Ever.
reduce unwanted pregnancy ?
sex ed = PIIHB
sex ed = PIIHB
Don't forget Africa... Remember how the current administration requires abstinence-only education to receive funding for AIDS awareness programs there? Yeah, suddenly having a pregnant daughter just became a foreign policy issue.
do you expect teen pregnancy rates to increase, decrease, or stay the same in a world where abortion is outlawed and sex-ed is limited to abstinence-only advocacy?Yes, well said. I forgot to note that with decades of sex-ed in elementary, middle, and high schools, along with free condoms, that teenage pregnancies has dropped to (near) zero.
I should point out that I grew up in a very religious community in rural Ohio, where we did not get free condoms and sex ed was limited (at the time AIDS was the focus, and the curriculum pushed a "condoms don't prevent AIDS [so why use them?], abstinence is the only sure thing" approach). We had the highest teen pregnancy rate in the state. Higher than urban areas. Anecdotally, of the 4 pregnancies I specifically remember, all were church-going and 2 were quite religious (both were daughters of pastors). However, that's skewed because I don't know of the ones that were "taken care of." There's also the study showing that teens that signed the "abstinence promise" had higher pregnancy rates than those than the general teen population.
Stt...
you mean the ABC (Abstinence, be faithful, use a condom) policy? i don't recall reading a proviso that abstinence only teaching was mandated. the only strings attached were that the countries who had strict trade policies relax them, specifically to foreign investors.Don't forget Africa... Remember how the current administration requires abstinence-only education to receive funding for AIDS awareness programs there? Yeah, suddenly having a pregnant daughter just became a foreign policy issue.
the nerve of bush: both fighting aids and crushing poverty