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jimmydean

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So if had lived in either PA or MD, would you have voted for either Lynn Swann or Michael Steele or would you have been one of "those people"?
I can't speak for JD, but I would have voted for the candidate most qualified and capable of the job. You know, the person who can take the job and his or her district in the right direction. Blindly selecting a candidate, regardless of political party, race or sex, is rarely your best option.
 

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I can't speak for JD, but I would have voted for the candidate most qualified and capable of the job. You know, the person who can take the job and his or her district in the right direction. Blindly selecting a candidate, regardless of political party, race or sex, is rarely your best option.
You know, I'd argue that if you're black, you may be best served by not voting Republican ever.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/09/04/barack_and_michelle_obama_are.html

And, here's a early nomination for the most transparent lie of 2008:

U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, who was born and raised in the South, said Thursday that he’s never heard the word “uppity” used in a racially loaded fashion — and meant nothing more than “elitist” when he applied it to Barack Obama and his wife Michelle.

N*****, please.
 

sanjuro

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You know, I'd argue that if you're black, you may be best served by not voting Republican ever.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/09/04/barack_and_michelle_obama_are.html

And, here's a early nomination for the most transparent lie of 2008:

U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, who was born and raised in the South, said Thursday that he’s never heard the word “uppity” used in a racially loaded fashion — and meant nothing more than “elitist” when he applied it to Barack Obama and his wife Michelle.

N*****, please.
Lynn Westmoreland, all black man:

 

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In their minds, Dems are always there to support blacks. That is, as long as they stay on the Plantation. Just ask Clarence Thomas.
The overriding white supremacist tone of your posts is ridiculous.

Knowing my luck, you're probably one of my idiot Mormon relatives that lives on Vashon.
 

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Apparently Palin's ebay story is also a bit overcooked. She DID put it on ebay, it didn't sell. She sold it privately for 2.1 million, a loss of $600 000, despite McCain claiming today from the stump that she sold it for a profit.

She did make recoup 2.1 million which is obviously a great move, but why lie about it to make it a slightly better story when you KNOW the media is going to look into it? Seriously, it is like everything this campaign says is overblown or complete fabrications. Their campaign manager is clearly not working with a full deck, is completely desperate or has just lost control of his candidates entirely.

I don't get it. If they had gone in and used actual facts to support themselves and their accomplishments (which after 26 years in govt must be feasible when your opponent has 4), they would be coming out smelling like roses and actually probably be ahead, despite their insane policies of revoking citizens rights and invading small nations. Instead they make crap up, complete nonsense at times, and get called on it.
 
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White supremacist tone? GMAB.:plthumbsdown:
Why is that? It's painfully clear to everyone on this board that you were attempting to hide your racism behind your political beliefs. I'm not okay with that train of thought, but I'd be a fool to think that it doesn't occur.

"If I say I won't vote for Obama because he's black, I'm a racist. But if I tell everyone I'm voting Republican because of McCain and his record, it's okay."
 

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Typical. When you can't support your argument, start calling names. Suprised you haven't thrown in homophobe as well.:shocked:
Before you get all butt hurt, I'm still waiting for one positive accomplishment....
 
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Suprised you haven't thrown in homophobe as well.:shocked:
Oh I see, so what other reason do you have to want to ban gay marriage? Please, point form if necessary, but be specific. "The bible says so" isn't a valid answer.

While you are at it, please also explain why you believe TAKING AWAY citizen's rights and putting the government in charge of women's bodies, is a valid plan. Again, be specific.
 

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Oh I see, so what other reason do you have to want to ban gay marriage? Please, point form if necessary, but be specific. "The bible says so" isn't a valid answer.
Is it my imagination or is that a non-sequitur? Who said anything about banning gay marriage, before you brought it up?

I believe that government has no business in the bedroom, WRT adults.

Keep in mind, I am basically a Liberatrian, who that government has WAY overstepped its bounds. Sorry, the Constitution is not a "Living, Breathing Document". Sorry to offend any of you on that stand.

While you are at it, please also explain why you believe TAKING AWAY citizen's rights and putting the government in charge of women's bodies, is a valid plan. Again, be specific.
It is about life and death. When does life begin? Science can help tell us that. Or at least give a better indication. It definitely tells us that life begins long before a botched abortion baby withers to death in a utility closet. It begins long before a baby's brains are sucked out during a partial-birth abortion.
You may not believe life begins at conception, but it should not take an Ivy Leage grad to figure when (at least) life begins.

If you are willing to open your eyes, take a look here
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm
This gives you some background about the "Negro Project". Sorry, not my title. This is the "right" held up by the left.

Also keep in mind, prior to Roe .v Wade, abortion was very legal. It was left up to, **gasp**, the individual states.
 

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Is it my imagination or is that a non-sequitur? Who said anything about banning gay marriage, before you brought it up?

I believe that government has no business in the bedroom, WRT adults.

Keep in mind, I am basically a Liberatrian, who that government has WAY overstepped its bounds. Sorry, the Constitution is not a "Living, Breathing Document". Sorry to offend any of you on that stand.


It is about life and death. When does life begin? Science can help tell us that. Or at least give a better indication. It definitely tells us that life begins long before a botched abortion baby withers to death in a utility closet. It begins long before a baby's brains are sucked out during a partial-birth abortion.
You may not believe life begins at conception, but it should not take an Ivy Leage grad to figure when (at least) life begins.

If you are willing to open your eyes, take a look here
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm
This gives you some background about the "Negro Project". Sorry, not my title. This is the "right" held up by the left.

Also keep in mind, prior to Roe .v Wade, abortion was very legal. It was left up to, **gasp**, the individual states.
You mentioned homophobe. Republicans get pegged as homophobe's due to their wanting a ban on gay marriage. I was just wondering what other reason there was for wanting to tell someone what they can and cannot do when it has 0 effect on YOUR life.

As for abortion, you missed my point entirely. I asked about taking away rights (in both of these cases).

McCain said for himself (I'm paraphrasing, but i mentioned it in the rnc night 4 thread when it happenned) in his stump speech at the convention, he would "get the government OUT of American's lives and leave more choices for americans."

From these 2 policies alone, it looks to me like McCain wants to take 2 very large decisions out of American's hands and put them into the government's hands. Not only is he in their households, he is in their bedrooms and even their wombs.

Hypocrisy? I'd say so.
 

kidwoo

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It is about life and death. When does life begin? Science can help tell us that. Or at least give a better indication. It definitely tells us that life begins long before a botched abortion baby withers to death in a utility closet. It begins long before a baby's brains are sucked out during a partial-birth abortion.
You may not believe life begins at conception, but it should not take an Ivy Leage grad to figure when (at least) life begins.

So you're a vegetarian?
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

118 democrat representatives & most of the democrat senators voted for it just before sending over to clinton to be signed into law

now will you go away, or must i taunt you a second time?
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Nope, as it still doesn't answer my question. I asked for the reasoning behind it. Specifically when you tell America you are giving them more choices. Clearly, this is not the case is it?

Nice straw man though.

Oh edit: This isn't the outright ban that Republicans want either. And yes, it is still ridiculous.
 

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Sorry to take so long to get back to you on this one.... She has a better understanding of our energy needs and our ability to fill those needs, than the 3 other guys.
While I agree with you on this point, that's not an "accomplishment". If you want to insist it is, Obama's years of Harvard Constitutional law far outweigh all of her other "accomplishments" combined when it comes to law, domestic policy and even foreign policy.

If you don't believe me, check out what the JD program alone covers (after 7+ years of prior law schooling). http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/degrees/jd/pos/index.html

You have to take classes from each of the 5 programs in the first year.
THE FIVE PROGRAMS OF STUDY ARE:
Law and Government
Law and Business
International and Comparative Law
Law, Science and Technology
Law and Social Change
 
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This sounds dangerously close to the argument to maintain the status quo WRT slavery.

If you are concerned about rights, what about the rights of the baby, er, fetus?
A baby has no rights until it is born.

Forcing a mother to have a baby conceived via rape is insanity. As for the slavery straw man, those slaves had rights as well, they were given them. No rights were taken away.

Also, still missing the point. McCain is going to get the Govt out of your home remember? More choices to American people, he told 37 million people this live on television. Sounds like a load of Bs to me.
 

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A baby has no rights until it is born.

Forcing a mother to have a baby conceived via rape is insanity. As for the slavery straw man, those slaves had rights as well, they were given them. No rights were taken away.

Also, still missing the point. McCain is going to get the Govt out of your home remember? More choices to American people, he told 37 million people this live on television. Sounds like a load of Bs to me.
You missed my point. Do you consider an unborn baby human? Slaves were not considered fully human. You don't consider a baby until it is born? Why stop there? Why not 1 day, 1 month, 1 year?

As for rape, the baby is no less human. Regardless, this a strawman argument. The number of pregnancies resulting from rape is statically zero.
 

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Ah....no. Sorry, meat is not murder:nopity:.
Do you equate a human life with that of an animal?:crazy:
Let's see.

I've got a dog that knows its name, exhibits definitive trends in behavior (we'll call that personality), responds to his environment and certainly displays apparent survival tendencies....including an unmistakable reaction to pain.

Sounds pretty "alive" eh?

What does a fetus know? How does it respond to pain? What sort of decisions is it capable of? Not a whole lot differentiating itself from an amoeba if you're honest with yourself.

More importantly, what does the mother carrying that fetus know and why is it less than what you know about how that mother should carry out the rest of her life? Why the fvck are you so brilliant in your assessment of what constitutes the life of what should be eaten and what should be dictated over the parent that created it? Our theoretical mother can make a decision on whether or not to participate in the end of respiration of moocow mcsteak'ums, yet not on a bundle of cells she herself has grown? Tell me how that makes sense to you. Tell me how it's something other than ego regarding the human race's superiority over other mammals.

Better yet......


Tell me jeebus told you. You're too much of a moron to come to the conclusion yourself. Everything you type is rehashed bullshlt from some other transparent source. As a sentient internet participant, your short time here has at least shown me this much.

You're a walking talking point politically, but I think it's cute to hear you espouse some sort of supposedly genuine morality. Mostly because it's just as much recycled crap.

I swear to god I'll send you a sixpack of your choosing if you post one original thought in the next two weeks.

It'll be fun! Try your hardest!
 

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That's what I named my left testi.


The right one is hank reardon.



Fiddle in the middle is dagny. The sexual tension within my crotch alone could power our city.
I bet your secret valley is full of DJ's, not industrialists.
 

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You missed my point. Do you consider an unborn baby human? Slaves were not considered fully human. You don't consider a baby until it is born? Why stop there? Why not 1 day, 1 month, 1 year?

As for rape, the baby is no less human. Regardless, this a strawman argument. The number of pregnancies resulting from rape is statically zero.
I'm going to try respond to you like you aren't an American for a second...

Read this for a few minutes:

http://www.2think.org/abortion.shtml

Your thoughts?