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What have Obama and/or Biden done?

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Yes, energy costs are (unnecessarily) high. Very high demand from emerging countries like China and India along with our unwillingness to pursue our own energy resources.

Wait I thought the stock market was only for the filthy rich.:monkey:

We have an employment rate of over 94%. Yes, could be better, but higher taxes and more regulations won't make it so. Just look at Europe.

We as Americans do complain too much. We are lamenting about our (non-existent) economic recession. Our Q2 GDP grew 3.3%. Again, most countries in Europe would kill for our economy.
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Unemployment Rate Rises to 6.1%

By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM
Published: September 5, 2008

The unemployment rate jumped to 6.1 percent in August, its highest level in five years, as the erosion of the job market showed no sign of slowing.

Employers cut 84,000 jobs last month, more than economists had expected, and the Labor Department said that more jobs were lost in June and July than previously thought.

So far, 605,000 jobs have disappeared since January. The unemployment rate, which rose from 5.7 percent in July, is now at its highest level since September 2003.
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The Euros are so jealous.
 
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Defenestrated said:
Obama hasn't really done anything remarkable.

However that is beside the point, the main reason to vote for him is that he isn't a Republican.

Which is reason enough.
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That is the same reason people used to vote Hitler in office. That is dangerous logic. Chnage for the sake of change has never been a good course of action whether it be business, personal or politics..........

(note: not comparing Obama to Hitler)
 
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Of course we won't see radical change. Our system of checks and balances ensures that. However, my point is that Obama and McCain will lead to very different outcomes. Al Gore may be a blowhard and a liar, but do you think we would be in the same spot right now had he been elected instead of Bush?
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This response did cause me to think................

It would have been interesting to see how Gore would have handled 9/11 and the flawed intelligence regarding Iraq? (which led to the war)
 
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That is the same reason people used to vote Hitler in office. That is dangerous logic. Chnage for the sake of change has never been a good course of action whether it be business, personal or politics..........

(note: not comparing Obama to Hitler)
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LOL!

You know both Obama and McCain are running on the platform of change.

Change is necessary when the bus is about to drive off the cliff.
 
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LOL!

You know both Obama and McCain are running on the platform of change.

Change is necessary when the bus is about to drive off the cliff.
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I was merely point out to the poster know the issues, first, then make your selection, do cast a vote just b/c it is a different party which he was I thought he was portraying.

Change............
I love that word.
Exactly what are either (Rep or Dem) going to change? Just like Oh, we are going to change the power base in Congress, and wait til you see what happens! I believe that was the message of every Congression Democrat. What has happen? Zip.........
Why?
A system that has been built upon for the last few hundred years and you are gonna change that in 4 years? pipe dream!

I have also heard of well, shiat, it can't get any worse, so why not vote the other way etc. Yes, it can get worse.

Anyone old enough to remember the Carter years?
 
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I did not find it in the link, but I do know he was an advocate WRT Infanticide. He is very death penalty for babies, both unborn and born, but does not have the heart to dispense appropriate justice to convicted criminals.
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i think this is what you're referring to; posted this in rnc night 4 thread:

 
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We as Americans do complain too much. We are lamenting about our (non-existent) economic recession. Our Q2 GDP grew 3.3%. Again, most countries in Europe would kill for our economy.[/QUOTE]


Take an economics class and get back to us. Wages aren't going anywhere. Sure, GDP did rise but really its not a solid indicator whatsoever. And honestly, I find it hard to believe your defending Bush's career. U have oil stock by chance? :biggrin:
 
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sanjuro said:
Bush has brought himself down. Can you list the good things Bush has done in the last 8 years?
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factoring how racist you may be against blacks, that whole hurricane katrina thing was brilliant
then there's inventing global warming, mandating babies be baptized as christian as a condition for being on WIC, manufacturing intel reports & fooling most of congress into an illegal war & occupation, makes us all live in fear of being arrested at the public library when using their computers, tapped all our phones & wire transfers to innocuous charities in pakistan.

of course, this is all eclipsed by his coming out event of partnering w/ the saudis & jews to cause 9/11.

if nothing else, he is singlehandedly responsible for history books to be constantly revised, which is good for our children, who are left behind (only the infidels, that is)
 
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factoring how racist you may be against blacks, that whole hurricane katrina thing was brilliant
then there's inventing global warming, mandating babies be baptized as christian as a condition for being on WIC, manufacturing intel reports & fooling most of congress into an illegal war & occupation, makes us all live in fear of being arrested at the public library when using their computers, tapped all our phones & wire transfers to innocuous charities in pakistan.

of course, this is all eclipsed by his coming out event of partnering w/ the saudis & jews to cause 9/11.

if nothing else, he is singlehandedly responsible for history books to be constantly revised, which is good for our children, who are left behind (only the infidels, that is)
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I stand corrected.
 
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vibiker said:
Smart move. The ones who, in a heartbeat, close or limit MTB trails under the guise of saving rodents or insects.
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Faced with international wars, terrorists trying to kill us (your words), economic downturn, largest national debt and deficit in history, rise of China, decreasing education standards, increasing wealth gap you're worried about the local trails (which the federal government has nothing to do with)?

Nice priorities you short-sighted fvcktard.

(Not to mention that you're thinking of a portion of environmentalists typified by the Sierra Club and ignoring the rest of the movement who are working their asses off to ensure you still have any wild areas to even have trails on. Better buck up on your street steeze.)
 
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obama campaign email:
David Plouffe said:
I wasn't planning on sending you something tonight. But if you saw what I saw from the Republican convention, you know that it demands a response.

I saw John McCain's attack squad of negative, cynical politicians. They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and they attacked you for being a part of this campaign.

But worst of all--and this deserves to be noted--they insulted the very idea that ordinary people have a role to play in our political process.

You know that despite what John McCain and his attack squad say, everyday people have the power to build something extraordinary when we come together. Make a donation of $5 or more right now to remind them.

Both Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin specifically mocked Barack's experience as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago more than two decades ago, where he worked with people who had lost jobs and been left behind when the local steel plants closed.

Let's clarify something for them right now.

Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.

And it's no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. That promise is what our campaign has been about from the beginning.
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that's right - community organizing consists of helping elect obama president! This fits right in with obama's claim that he is more qualified to be president than sarah is to be veep because, whereas she has run a mere town, he has run a campaign for himself.

The community obama has organized is, in plouffe's own telling, the community of those who admire obama. he is mayor of obamaville and aspires to be president of barackistan. at the center of it all is a man who, like hans christian andersen's naked emperor, may or may not believe that his veneer of accomplishment is real.
 
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SDH said:
It would have been interesting to see how Gore would have handled 9/11 and the flawed intelligence regarding Iraq? (which led to the war)
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Flawed intelligence did not lead to a war with Iraq.

Flawed intelligence, intentionally flawed intelligence, was a tool used to sell a war in Iraq. The war in Iraq was a long term goal of the PNAC guys, a lot of whom just happened to end up in the Bush government, and who would have not ended up in a Gore government.
 
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Flawed intelligence did not lead to a war with Iraq.

Flawed intelligence, intentionally flawed intelligence, was a tool used to sell a war in Iraq. The war in Iraq was a long term goal of the PNAC guys, a lot of whom just happened to end up in the Bush government, and who would have not ended up in a Gore government.
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nope; no way al gore would ever consider it.
 
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$tinkle said:

nope; no way al gore would ever consider it.
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To think he only had 8 years as VP after he made that speech to try to convince Bill to invade Iraq. Must not have been enough time, I guess.

Jesus, just because Palin is almost as retarded as her new son doesn't mean you guys are supposed to get even stupider...
 
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To think he only had 8 years as VP after he made that speech to try to convince Bill to invade Iraq. Must not have been enough time, I guess.

Jesus, just because Palin is almost as retarded as her new son doesn't mean you guys are supposed to get even stupider...
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please don't think this was his coda hawk speech. up until 9/11 he wasn't a diplomacy-only advocate.

and another thing: when i post a u2b vid that's 9:27, at least wait until 9:28 before you begin to post. at least then you will appear at first blush to be slightly more intelligent than ted haggard's bedside chowder-soaked shamwow
 
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$tinkle said:
please don't think this was his coda hawk speech. up until 9/11 he wasn't a diplomacy-only advocate.

and another thing: when i post a u2b vid that's 9:27, at least wait until 9:28 before you begin to post. at least then you will appear at first blush to be slightly more intelligent than ted haggard's bedside chowder-soaked shamwow
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I didn't need to watch the whole thing once I saw the handy datestamp in the corner. After about a minute, it's easy to see that Gore is talking tought about Iraq. Of course, since he was actually in the administration for 8 years AFTER that speech was made, I'm going to guess that an invasion of Iraq was not on the books for an Al Gore presidency. The video would be relevant to your point if it was made in 2000, not 1992.

What happened to Ted anyways? With the Republicans having a philanderer and divorcee on the ticket who has a sugar momma spouse that was a pill addict and a VP candidate with a very young disabled infant who she isn't mothering (I remember hearing Republicans in the past blame everything from AIDS to hangnails on working mothers) and who has an unmarried underage daughter that's been knocked up, I'm starting to get the impression that being publicly caught being a little gay is the only thing that Jesus frowns on these days.
 
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I was merely point out to the poster know the issues, first, then make your selection, do cast a vote just b/c it is a different party which he was I thought he was portraying.

Change............
I love that word.
Exactly what are either (Rep or Dem) going to change? Just like Oh, we are going to change the power base in Congress, and wait til you see what happens! I believe that was the message of every Congression Democrat. What has happen? Zip.........
Why?
A system that has been built upon for the last few hundred years and you are gonna change that in 4 years? pipe dream!

I have also heard of well, shiat, it can't get any worse, so why not vote the other way etc. Yes, it can get worse.

Anyone old enough to remember the Carter years?
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Uh Clinton didn't involve us in a land war. The Bushes did.

Carter messed up, or rather, the Delta Force's Airlines did.
 
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What does Obama plan to do?

Negotiate openly with terrorists (e.g. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) without any preconditions, thereby giving them legitimacy.
 
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What does Obama plan to do?

Negotiate openly with terrorists (e.g. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) without any preconditions, thereby giving them legitimacy.
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Uh...

O'REILLY: Who's the enemy?

OBAMA: Al Qaeda, the Taliban, a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America, who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted the faith of Islam, and so we have to go after them.

O'REILLY: Is Iran part of that component?

OBAMA: Iran is a major threat. Now, I don't think that there is a — the same — they are not part of the same network. You've got Shia, and you've got Sunni. We've got to have the ability to distinguish between these groups, because, for example, the war in Iraq is a good example, where I believe the administration lumped together Saddam Hussein, a terrible guy, with Al Qaeda, which had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417563,00.html
 
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OrthoPT said:
What does Obama plan to do?

Negotiate openly with terrorists (e.g. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) without any preconditions, thereby giving them legitimacy.
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Although he is a total toolbag, Ahmedinejad is the lawful leader of a sovereign nation. He is not a terrorist despite what the dubya fear mongers would like you to believe.
 
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Although he is a total toolbag, Ahmedinejad is the lawful leader of a sovereign nation. He is not a terrorist despite what the dubya fear mongers would like you to believe.
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as the lawful leader of a sovereign nation, would you say his policy of executing his citizens for the "crime" of being a homosexual just a tad over the top?

and when he makes statements about literally pushing israel into the sea, how would you neatly categorize that?

you made a jab up-thread (maybe not here) about cognitive dissonance. is yours so vast is has squeezed out your ability to recognize irony?
 
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$tinkle said:
as the lawful leader of a sovereign nation, would you say his policy of executing his citizens for the "crime" of being a homosexual just a tad over the top?

and when he makes statements about literally pushing israel into the sea, how would you neatly categorize that?

you made a jab up-thread (maybe not here) about cognitive dissonance. is yours so vast is has squeezed out your ability to recognize irony?
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Again, nice try, but not the case. Being a grade A asshole does not make you a terrorist.

See: Sadaam Hussein. Also not a terrorist. Despot yes, terrorist, no.
 
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as the lawful leader of a sovereign nation, would you say his policy of executing his citizens for the "crime" of being a homosexual just a tad over the top?

and when he makes statements about literally pushing israel into the sea, how would you neatly categorize that?

you made a jab up-thread (maybe not here) about cognitive dissonance. is yours so vast is has squeezed out your ability to recognize irony?
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Not much different than the policies of Israel concerning the West Bank.

He say whatever he wants. Until the security of America and Americans is really threatened, you should deal with him.

Why don't we attack China next?
 
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