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OrthoPT

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Nov 17, 2004
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Although he is a total toolbag, Ahmedinejad is the lawful leader of a sovereign nation. He is not a terrorist despite what the dubya fear mongers would like you to believe.
Neville Chamberlain thought he could reason with Adolf Hitler, another lawful leader of a sovereign nation.

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
 

OrthoPT

Monkey
Nov 17, 2004
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So you are saying an invasion of Iran would be a bad idea based on the result of our efforts in Iraq.

I'm so glad we agree.
I wasn't referring to an invasion at all. But, now that you mention it, I think the military is stretched too thin right now.
 

Silver

find me a tampon
Jul 20, 2002
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Neville Chamberlain thought he could reason with Adolf Hitler, another lawful leader of a sovereign nation.

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
You're comparing Adolf Hitler circa 1938 to a guy who isn't even in charge of the country?

There's a story about people in glass houses and rocks that comes to mind...
 

vibiker

Monkey
May 3, 2004
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You're comparing Adolf Hitler circa 1938 to a guy who isn't even in charge of the country?
Not exactly from Merriam-Websters, but
Main Entry: his·to·ry
Pronunciation: \ˈhis-t(ə-)rē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural his·to·ries

a chronological record of significant events that may or may not have occured in your lifetime.:shocked:
 

Silver

find me a tampon
Jul 20, 2002
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Not exactly from Merriam-Websters, but
Main Entry: his·to·ry
Pronunciation: \ˈhis-t(ə-)rē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural his·to·ries

a chronological record of significant events that may or may not have occured in your lifetime.:shocked:
Quiet down, dickhole.

The adults are having a conversation.
 

bohorec

Monkey
Jun 26, 2007
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Neville Chamberlain thought he could reason with Adolf Hitler, another lawful leader of a sovereign nation.

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.

Comparing Ahmedinejad with Hitler is insult for Hitler.

The same could be said for comparing Bush and Blair with Churchill and Truman.
 

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
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Neville Chamberlain thought he could reason with Adolf Hitler, another lawful leader of a sovereign nation.

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
Hitler invaded several countries which Chamberlain did nothing to stop him.

Iran has not invaded anyone, nor is there proof they sponsored terrorism, the 21st Century version of invasion.
 

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
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C'mon, when even France is telling them to stop trying to build a bomb, you've got to admit they're up to no good.

BTW, does your mom even know you're using her computer?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/03/america/cia.php

*yawn*

And the whole Chamberlin thing is not that he negotiated with Hitler, it's that he ACQUIESCED to Hitler. It's almost that he looked into his eyes and "was able to get a sense of his soul..."
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
He was a socialist, and that's close enough for a lot of people...
It's not even remotely the same thing, in fact at most points they are completely opposite. A lot of people need to go back to school.

Communism is a political system based on ideals. Few people have control of the system (the fewer the better). It is a very conservative system.

Socialism is an economic system based on distribution of wealth due to the benefits of industrialization. In this system, the entire populace (ie: many, many people) is supposed to take control of the economic system. It is a very liberal based system.
 
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Defenestrated

Turbo Monkey
Mar 28, 2007
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Hitler was actually a socialist. Socialism was appealing to the German people because of the dismal state the Europeans left Germany in after WWI and it raised the standard of living significantly.

Too bad he was also a nationalistic, militaristic, genocidal dictator.
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
Hitler was actually a socialist. Socialism was appealing to the German people because of the dismal state the Europeans left Germany in after WWI and it raised the standard of living significantly.

Too bad he was also a nationalistic, militaristic, genocidal dictator.
No, he wasn't.

Hitler was very far right, actually. Private capitalists owned all production facilities. Economic dictatorship is not a socialist policy, it is the complete opposite. See my post earlier.

Socialism espoused all the things Hitler was against. Racial tolerance, freedom of reproduction, competition, nationalism etc.
 

Defenestrated

Turbo Monkey
Mar 28, 2007
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No, he wasn't.

Hitler was very far right, actually. Private capitalists owned all production facilities. Economic dictatorship is not a socialist policy, it is the complete opposite. See my post earlier.

Socialism espoused all the things Hitler was against. Racial tolerance, freedom of reproduction, competition, nationalism etc.
Yeah I was wrong.

The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism.

Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi “Charter of Labor” gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the “leader of the enterprise,” and read: “The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.”
 

vibiker

Monkey
May 3, 2004
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No, he wasn't.

Hitler was very far right, actually. Private capitalists owned all production facilities. Economic dictatorship is not a socialist policy, it is the complete opposite. See my post earlier.

Socialism espoused all the things Hitler was against. Racial tolerance, freedom of reproduction, competition, nationalism etc.

Hey T, this is not a jab. This is just a question. What is the history behind the name NAZI? Was it used just to gain policial traction?
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
It's the shortened version of the German National Socialist Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ).

Party ideals were anything but Socialist and were based purely around anti semetic beliefs instilled in the middle class at the time. The party offered to return control to the people, from "jewish capitalists".
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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back on topic:

it seems that the real question should be "what has obama done since being elected to make him qualified to serve as president?"

here's why i ask:

 

Samirol

Turbo Monkey
Jun 23, 2008
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As a state legislator, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.

He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare. In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures.

Obama and Coburn introduced legislation that created http://www.usaspending.gov/ that allows you to see where your tax dollars are being spent.

Obama sponsored legislation requiring nuclear plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks (Source, created a bill that allocates money to try to help democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the atrocities there are absolutely terrible (Source).Obama also introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007. He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, and co-sponsored legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.

He sponsored an amendment to SCHIP that would provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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look at those verbs: "supported", "sponsored", "introduced", "held", "promoted", "left and took", "became chairman"

well color me nonplussed

just a nit, you can't sponsor a law; you sponsor a bill or legislation, which in turn may, or, (in his case most of the time) may not, become law. i'll wait while you update the wiki page
 

Samirol

Turbo Monkey
Jun 23, 2008
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look at those verbs: "supported", "sponsored", "introduced", "held", "promoted", "left and took", "became chairman"

well color me nonplussed

just a nit, you can't sponsor a law; you sponsor a bill or legislation, which in turn may, or, (in his case most of the time) may not, become law. i'll wait while you update the wiki page
are you seriously nitpicking over mixing up law and legislation?

You were wondering what he has done in his limited time as a Senator, and I gave a quick rundown.
 
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$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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my point is if you're going to source wiki, well, i really hope there are stronger shills

needs tightening up; try obama.org. beware: it's updated hourly throwing ex-associates under the bus
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Lesson learned - Never, ever, trust an (ex-)commie.
You understand that what makes Putin dangerous has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with his KGB past as part of the Russian autocracy, an intense nationalism and belief in the right of a Soviet Union. He would be just as happy with a pseudo-capitalist autocratic empire as a pseudo-communist one.

No, no you don't.