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help choosing an AM/FR Brake?

b4stealth

Chimp
Nov 4, 2008
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Well, to start things off, these brakes are going to be going on a 6" travel hardtail. I weigh about 220 pounds. I usually ride AM singletrack and will make a few DH/FR trips a year for shuttle runs and such. These brakes need to modulate well, be strong, and preferably not weigh a ton. I currently ride BB7's and some of the things I like about them are: where the lever engages, the lever is about parallel to the bar, or about 1.5" out when the brake is fully engaged. I also really enjoy how I am able to run them with one finger braking. The power is ok, but I am definitely looking for something more. Modulation would be pretty good except for the fact that my rotor is out of true. These brakes will be ridden in their 8" front and 7" rear flavors. I have already done a fair amount of research and price checking, and these are what I came up with.

Avid Elixir CR - These seem to be a fairly solid option, and well within my budget. I haven't heard anything bad about them other than the pad contact tends to wander and sometimes you get the Juicy Shudder, but on the other hand, I also haven't heard anything all that great about them either.

Formula K24 - These also seem to be fairly solid, but the thing that worries me is the fact that formula markets them as a XC intended use from what I have seen, correct me if I am wrong. Parts availability is also a pitfall of these brakes.

Formula Mega - Marketed as a DH/FR brake, which is good, but I haven't seen a whole lot review wise of this member of the formula lineup. and if I am not mistaken, they don't use a one piece caliper, would I notice this?

Formula The One - This is about $65 out of my budget, but if it is truly my best option I suppose I could spring for it. I have heard nothing but amazing things about this brake, but it is a race brake, so would it require more maintenance and be more delicate than the others?

Hope Moto V2/FR / Tech X2/ whatever it is now - This was hard to track down because it seems Hope has like four names for the same brake, but oh well. Just barely out of my budget and I haven't heard a lot about it, but it seems to be the most expensive out of Hope's lineup, so it has to be worth something I imagine? I don't like the rotors though because I have a Fox Talas RC2 and I have heard the "rivets" tend to rub, so that would be another expense.

Hope Mono M4/Tech M4 - Same story with the name and the rotors, however this one is comfortably within my budget. I like the one piece caliper and the four pistons, but how does that effect modulation and such?

Magura Gustavs - Definitely the most powerful of the bunch, maybe even the most powerful on the market. I have never heard of anybody able to fade these brakes, but they are pretty heavy I would imagine. Can anybody here attest to how grabby they are? or aren't? I also don't like the odd rotor sizes, 210/190/160??? I need some middle ground Magura!

Magura Louise BAT - Another fairly solid brake here, I have heard lots of things about it, but none of them really positive or negative, just kind of neutral. The BAT system sounds nice though, to adjust your braking power for the available traction you have. How well does it really work? The Venti disks look good, albeit a little heavy.

Shimano Saint (next gen) - These things just look hawt, and I have heard nothing but amazing things about them, no fade, great power, excellent modulation, but for some reason it doesn't seem to get the raving fans that the One does. does anybody here use them and what do you think of them?

So those are the brakes I have been considering, sorry for the long post, but if you have read this far I know your input will be useful and have some thought behind it. Any suggestions are welcome, and feedback on these brakes is much appreciated, as well as a recommendation as to which you would put on there for the riding conditions I described.

EDIT: afer some deliberation, i decided not to skimp at all on the brakes, out of these, money being no object, which would you pick.
 

b4stealth

Chimp
Nov 4, 2008
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I left out the codes because I heard their modulation left something to be desired, and since it is mostly a trail brake I value modulation over raw stopping power. I am starting to lean towards the Ones, any other ideas? Thanks for the input btw.
 

dejacky

Chimp
Jul 2, 2006
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I really like my Shimano M485 disc brakes that came standard with my 2008 Iron Horse MIII Trail bike. Even though they're not regarded as anything special, they have fantastic stopping power and modulated much better than the Hayes and Avid equipped bikes I tried at my local bike stop.
 

1453

Monkey
I left out the codes because I heard their modulation left something to be desired, and since it is mostly a trail brake I value modulation over raw stopping power. I am starting to lean towards the Ones, any other ideas? Thanks for the input btw.

my codes work fine, modulating is pretty good for my riding(trail, AM, Fr, whatever). Try them in person before you decide to exclude them base on 2nd hand info
 

ctrailfreak

Monkey
Apr 19, 2004
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Independence,Mo
I've run Codes for almost a year now and they have plenty of modulation! Tons of stopping power or just scrub off speed with one finger. They are the best brake I've ever used.

Their not overly heavy for what your getting either,never had any break chatter or anything of the sort. Just raw stopping power when I needed it and modulation when I didn't have to come to a complete stop. All with only one finger braking too. If you're over 200lbs, I'd give them a look also!

I might have another set "brand new, in the box" to sell if someone wants them... I'll post them in the classifieds section as soon as I get them in. I just sold my DH/FR bike and don't need another set laying around now.:banghead:
 

b4stealth

Chimp
Nov 4, 2008
15
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so the general consensus seems to be either codes or saints, they are about the same money wise, and the differences seem to be that the saints use mineral oil and non symmetric pistons, along with no "tri align CPS" Which is easier to keep serviced and which has better modulation, assuming stock pads. Thanks for you help you guys.
 

partswhore

Chimp
Jan 6, 2008
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I can't say enough good things about the Formula One's. I've been riding them for a year in heavy North Vancouver riding as well as Whistler in any conditions you can imagine abd they have yet to let me down. The only thing I've had to do is change the pads. The power, modulation(adjustable) and reach (also adjustable) are bang on.

I would recommend these to anyone.

I would like to try the Avid Elixir though, similar weight and look great too.
 

1453

Monkey
seems like your mind was already made up since I don't see most of the "consensus" you concluded here in this thread.

so the general consensus seems to be either codes or saints, they are about the same money wise, and the differences seem to be that the saints use mineral oil and non symmetric pistons, along with no "tri align CPS" Which is easier to keep serviced and which has better modulation, assuming stock pads. Thanks for you help you guys.
 

Sir_Crackien

Turbo Monkey
Feb 7, 2004
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alex. va. usa.
B4stealth i have ridden formula K24's and K18's over the past few years and they have been great. one of my k24's ended up leaking a little after a while but just needed a seal replaced in the lever. i'm currently running codes on my 6x6 bike and i'm with you that they are ALOT of power but not completely out of control.

i have a set of new xt in the box that i'm very tempted to put on the bike but haven't yet. i might end up doing over the holidays if i find the codes to just be too much.
 

renorider40

Monkey
Aug 22, 2005
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ya man you really should try out the codes, they are amazing brakes, and it would be stupid for you to not even give them a looksy
 

rigidhack

Turbo Monkey
Aug 16, 2004
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In a Van(couver) down by the river
Why not just go with Avid Juicy 7s? They have enough stopping power for pretty much anything, plus they are both lighter and cheaper than the Codes or Eilxirs.

EDIT: Although the new Saint stuff looks pretty damn good...
 

BALOG

Chimp
Mar 3, 2004
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Elixir all the way.... I could not believe how light they are being so powerfull... lighter than Juicy 7´s and almost as strong as the Codes (I said Almost!!)

Fo sure my next brakes are gonna be these ones.

Formulas and Hopes are amazing too... but as I see yu´re not a DH racer, you do not need the extra weight just to have a little more power.
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
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May 23, 2002
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Skip the gustavs and hope Motos. Those offer too much power for non lift-assisted riding. You'll never come close to maxing them out, but you'll pay a price in weight, and if you're climbing that's not so good.

Some FYI:
Magura is a german company...thus the goofy rotor sizing, goofy adapters, and goofy brake setup (floating caliper). They work well and are supposedly set and forget for 5 years. They are heavy. I've ridden mine only a little bit and they are as powerful as everybody says. My rear hope was pumped way up while my front was just cruising along...cool!

Hope's mega-brake was the Moto. For 2009 they released a new lever and made some modifications to the caliper, and it's now called the Tech. The V2 and FR in the names comes from the Vented or Floating Rotor. The vented rotor has two vanes and supposedly eliminates brake fade but weighs a ton, and the floating rotor is the single vane model with the same aluminum spider. You can still run standard 8" rotors if the aluminum "hat" scares you (or your fork). Also, while the complete moto setup weighs a ton with the vented rotor, it's on par with other brakes with a standard rotor. Most people write them off immediately because of the complete weight.

As for what you should pick, I would pick out certain things you need to have, like DOT fluid or mineral oil, power or weight, and perhaps most importantly, which brakes are most common in your area. Formulas might be blingy and the best on the market, but if you're the only guy on the hill with them and you split a line or shred a pad, you're done for the day...vs. having saints or codes which are more common.

As for what I would recommend, when they were set up properly, I really liked the feel of my hopes compared to other brakes I've tried. They were a challenge to get set up right, but once they were on the feel was powerful and consistent. I got rid of them because they heated up too much on very steep runs, and got the gustavs instead. Those are great but I'd really like to get the Tech V2s as they're supposedly the be-all end all of power, and I prefer DOT fluid as it's easier to find in a pinch. For somebody your size and style, I'd go with an M4 setup or Saints or Juicies. Avid and shimano will be the most common, outside of Hayes, and all three will offer adequate power without being overkill. I would stay away from formula for now, just because I don't believe that the import fees cover a significant upgrade in performance, especially when compared to something like Avid brakes. I'm sure they're good brakes, but I wonder if anybody has compared similar products (ie cost, placement in the lineup, etc.) to see how they really compare. Lots of people have been using juicies as a DH brake without much problem. I think those would be a good choice.