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Arcade Cycles Juggernaut 24"

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Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Heres the Juggernaut, Cru suggested i start a thread about it and here it is. Arcade Cycles started as a bmx company making frames and components. We recently designed and built the Juggernaut and it feels great. We are still in samples stages for them, so they are not available as of yet. If all goes well with the new samples, we should hopefully go into production around Spring 09. Here are some of the dimensions:

HT Angle: 73 degrees
ST Angle: 75 degrees
CS Length: 14"
TT Length: 20.75"
BB Height: 12.5"
Rear Spacing: 110mm
Integrated HT
Mid BB

If you have any questions or comments, Thanks
 

Stoked

Turbo Monkey
Nov 28, 2004
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seat tube height is taller than my fallguy. its nice w/ that short rear, seat/ass is clear of the rear tire and whatnot. its a pleasure riding this bike. still surprisingly stable with 14" stays.
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Yeah we do make seats, we actually just got an order from Dans for another80. So waiting on those, we have been testing our stem and our waiting on some new samples since i changed the design a bit.We stopped making bmx frames for a while and have really been into the bigger bikes as of late. We also have some new Juggernaut samples in the works, which will hopefully be in around Jan/Feb. If you are interested in checking us out, you can do so at
http://arcadecycles.blogspot.com Thanks
 

t1maglio

Monkey
Oct 29, 2001
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seat tube height is taller than my fallguy. its nice w/ that short rear, seat/ass is clear of the rear tire and whatnot. its a pleasure riding this bike. still surprisingly stable with 14" stays.
Stoked, are you off your FG already?

Not to take away from the Arcade thing, dope stuff!
 

gackrider24

Monkey
Jun 4, 2007
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NJ
does the cockpit feel short with a 20.75 top tube?
what is the weight and seat tube length
how much are these goin to cost ?

they look sweet by the way
 

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Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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It feels a bit short, but personally i prefer it. I feel it gives me more control. As for the seat tube length, sorry but we actually left st height out of the drawing. I will get back to you on that a bit later.Weight, haven't actually weighed frame alone, but altogether comes in at 27lbs.You might run lighter parts, which will lower this weight.If i were to give an estimated weight, i would say little over 5lbs. Feels similar in weight to our BMX frames which are 4lb 10oz. Not sure if that helps, but it was a long time in the making and rushed to get it together once i got it.
Price, still not sure about. Got some numbers and depending on Quantity they will be anywhere from $600 to $800. We are hoping to get enough interest in them to take some preorders, and get a higher quantity which should lower production costs. But as of now with the numbers we got that looks to be what theyll go for. Any other questions let me know.
 

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Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Yeah, im not sure if we are going to stick with the clamp. Been havin a bit of trouble with them in the past on some of our bmx frames. I do like having the option so we might do some with and some without. We will also be making them with both U-Brake mounts and V-brake mounts. I know alot of people are into discs, which we might also do. But these are our options as of now. Like i said earlier, we have 2 new samples coming soon. Which are the revised version, of the one in the photos. Once we get those dialed in, based on interest for them, we will be going into small run production.
 

Stoked

Turbo Monkey
Nov 28, 2004
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Stoked, are you off your FG already?

Not to take away from the Arcade thing, dope stuff!
no sir, im still on a FG.

sean's got so many ideas its crazy haha. i do have something in the works on the component side. i hope that will materialize soon. just a matter of getting a response from the machine shop. everyone's crazy busy these days.
 

cmc

Turbo Monkey
Nov 17, 2006
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does the cockpit feel short with a 20.75 top tube? .....
.... i was thinking about that this morning. the USB Molly has a 22.2"tt. the specialized p-street 24" has a 22"tt. any shorter on either of these bikes and i probably wouldn't like it.

one thing though, this bike has a 75 seat tube angle (more vertical) while the molly has a 72. i don't know if 3 degrees can make a lot of difference in tt length (probably not, and i forgot how to do trig) but at least in theory, a bike with a more vertical seat tube angle will have a shorter top tube but may not actually be shorter when you consider where the bottom bracket is and where your stance is. blah blah blah.






old thread from a year ago on this....
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193279
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Yeah the 75 degree angle does make it a bit shorter. I have a friend tha described our frames as boxy. Which i thought was a good description, considering its not drawn out over too much length. Which in my opinion gives you more control over your bike. Its not for everyone but everyone who has rode it so far, has liked it. No complaints about tt length or cs length. Some thought it would be loopy or unstable, but this is not the case.
 

SuspectDevice

Turbo Monkey
Aug 23, 2002
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steeper seatubes lengthen the front center of the bike, making them feel longer when you are out of the saddle. Each degree in seattube angle change on a 15" frame would be about an inch of front center length, roughly

That's a super fun looking bike!
 

Bikael Molton

goofy for life
Jun 9, 2003
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looks pretty cool! It's awesome that we have another local company.

how is foot clearance with such a short TT and steep HA (for a bike with 24s and a suspension fork)?

you weld in house? do you do custom work?

-r
 

gackrider24

Monkey
Jun 4, 2007
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NJ
yea i took the idea of the 75degree headtube into account but 20.75 does seem short. I couldn't say without riding one though. i deffinatly like the 14 inch chainstays. This bike has to be super easy to spin and manual. If i hadn't gotten a molly just last spring i'd be considering one of these for sure. I wish i could ride one
 

buckoW

Turbo Monkey
Mar 1, 2007
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I didn't think it was possible to clear the toes with such numbers. Maybe that was one of the things changed for the next 2 protos? Anyways, looks like a fun bike.
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Foot Clearance has not been a problem. On this one the only real problem we have had has been the Fork crown not clearing the downtube,but due to the fact the manufacturer did not use a fork for setup i could see this happening. Our new manufacturer is being sent all the parts we will putting on this bike so that they can mock it up and check clearances in order to deal with this problem.
We do not weld in house though it is something we are looking to do in the future. I am a welder by trade,as of now though it is easier to get them built elsewhere. Considering i will need to construct a jig, buy machines etc. Turnaround time with a manufacturer is much shorter and better quality until i get everything going in house.I appreciate all your input guys, Thanks Again
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Yeah i will see what i can do... Not sure about video, but ill try to get some riding pics, Next time i head to the trails.
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Yeah i heard that other companies have had the clearance issue. It was just something that i didnt plan on. Like i said the mamufacturer of this particular frame,did not use a fork to mock up the frame, i like to think if they did, this problem could have been fixed during production.Either way the new ones should be nice. We are going to test out 2 new ones with all the corrections and then take it from there. Thanks for all the input, we also have just started working on a Dual suspension bike. Just an idea now, but hopefully we can make something interesting. If you guys have any ideas on either of these projects the input would be much appreciated. Thanks Again.
 

Landon

Monkey
Oct 20, 2004
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I think it's worth pointing out that a Fall Guy does not clear the all the Pike dials by some "mistake" of design or manufacturing.

The drawing of the Fall Guy has a fork clearance called out. This clearance is sufficient for all Fox forks, Manitou Gold Labels / Jumpers , Marzoochi DJ forks as well as the Argyle. The Fall Guy front triangle fixture has a pin to prevent the DT from ever being able to move any lower by "mistake."

Perhaps some better way of ensuring a specific fork clearance and DT location exists, but I am not aware it.

Designing around a fork with a removable and enormous crown feature is hard to justify.

Raising the DT to clear every fork on the market would certainly be possible, but as raising the DT weakens the frame at a highly stressed area, it hardly makes sense to me. In one opposite case, we had a customer who was absolutely confident they would never ride a suspension fork, so we took the opportunity to place the DT as low as possible on the head tube creating the strongest possible joint. In the frame sense.

Good luck with your frame project.

Cheers,

Landon.
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Thanks Landon, Well both me and my partner on this project ride DJ2's. Therefore we will be designing it around that. Considering the fall guys clear Manitou, Marzocchi and Fox forks. I feel this should fix the problem and eliminate the clearance issue on all these forks.
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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We also make bmx frames as well, havent done them in a while since we have been focusing on the 24" Frames. But figured i would post it just so everyone could see them. Let me know what you guys think.

Bike Check-

Frame: Arcade 19.25" TT
Bars: Arcade Mammoths 8.5" Rise
Stem: Arcade Jigsaw
Seat: Arcade Pivotal
Cranks: Fit Flow
Pedals: Shadow PC
Tires: Ruben

Geometry:

76 degree Integrated HT
13" Rear End (12.75" Slammed)
Mid BB
4lbs 10 oz
69 degree ST

Ht Angle
 

t1maglio

Monkey
Oct 29, 2001
855
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southern wisconsin
Thats a tiny BMX bike. Is that for flat or just really little guys?

As for Landon's comments, sorry Bud, I didn't mean to leave that open and seem like it was a bad thing. The Pike has some additional knobs that sit really high. It would be silly for companys to build their frames to clear the extra 1/4-1/2" created by these knobs (especially considering most forks will work just fine).
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Just my personal bike i like small, no flatland just comfortable. We have built them in all tt sizes from mine to 21".
 

Landon

Monkey
Oct 20, 2004
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T1maglio,

My point is that we've established a clearance which makes sense right now. This clearance is ensured first by design, and then by our tooling.

Who knows, an incredible fork may arrive which absolutely could not clear our frames, and we'll react accordingly.

I'm always open to suggestions.

-L
 

BikeSATORI

Monkey
Apr 13, 2007
720
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one world...
STEEP! wow. BMX too.

Nice looking.

yeah, I would imagine the steeper ST angle would result in a shorter actual measured TT number... But still, 20.7 is about what I ride on 20's.


I like the Arcade "Jigsaw" stem. Any more photos of that piece? Bolts through the middle piece? cool.
 

arcadecycles

Chimp
Dec 3, 2008
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Yeah the stem is real nice, works great. As for the revised version Stoked mentioned it will no longer have bolts through the middle piece. The idea was to have a changebale length stem. Middle piece would be shorter/longer depending on how you wanted it, but you would be able to change them. Only problem was that not too many people change stem lengths randomnly and it did put some unneeded stress on the bolts having to be longer to clear the middle piece. I personally love the design, but with it revised it is much slimmer and having the same design would ultimately weaken it overall. We are waiting on the new samples of the revised stem and will get some photos up once they are in.Thanks