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IH Type 6 SSO

SuboptimusPrime

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I think one of the biggest downsides to IH's demise is that this bike will never be built...it probably never would have been made anyway, but I would have loved to see it come to market. Just a really cool fun bike.
 

dw

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Sep 10, 2001
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I think one of the biggest downsides to IH's demise is that this bike will never be built...it probably never would have been made anyway, but I would have loved to see it come to market. Just a really cool fun bike.
I conceived / designed this bike in 2005 and it was built then, for the 2006 season. It was never intended as a production bike, and sadly, the bike that it was based on (The Type 6) (which was scheduled to debut at Sea Otter '06) never made it to production due to some manufacturing timeline issues. The 6POINT became the band-aid that replaced the Type 6.
 

dw

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6" bikes with 66 HA rock! Nice to see another one out there!
I'll tell you what, in 2005, more people than not were telling me I was off my rocker for making this bike.. Seplavy always believed, and Sam did too.
 

William42

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Jul 31, 2007
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more people than not were telling me I was off my rocker
And now, nearing the end of 2008, I still think you're off your rocker. :cheers:

I'd buy a bike with your brains behind it if I had the money though.
 

Pip3r

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Nov 20, 2001
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That thing was so dope. If its the same one I had a chance to ride, it seriously felt way quicker than a full on DH bike would on trails like Diablo's. So much fun.
 

TA..

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Aug 21, 2007
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This bike was ahead of its time in 05 then dw, and still ahead of its time now!

I'd buy one too, if only!

IH messed it up again! marketing departments still think we all want the same bike no matter the travel lightweight XC bikes!:crazy:

dw with your link this bike has it all would have loved to have thrown a leg over it, if only another dw D ? would build one now that would be a sight I'd pay for that too in a heart beat, Turner SS0 :lighten:
 

LukeD

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Sep 9, 2001
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I'll tell you what, in 2005, more people than not were telling me I was off my rocker for making this bike.. Seplavy always believed, and Sam did too.
Dave, how about I supply you with the welder and CNC machines and you make up a few for us :) I'm not sure if you know how to weld or not, but they would still come out better than some of those old karpiels :busted:
 

Jm_

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Only one I know of... circa 2001 with '06 rockers and a modern fork... 160mm ft/rr and 66 deg HA. The BB is more FR than DH though, at over 14". The super slack HA compliments that BB perfectly though. It pedals, it plows, it's just fun.
With the 170 and 180mm forks that became popular for the rfx, 6pack, and the new rfx, I'd imagine a lot more of them are around 66°. My 6 pack had a 170mm 66, and that had to be pretty close to, if not at 66°. The thing that suffered was the BB, but that gets blown way out of proportion with all the other factors that affect control.
 

William42

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The thing that suffered was the BB, but that gets blown way out of proportion with all the other factors that affect control.
I usually agree with you, but this is not one of those times. It might not be as huge a deal for you given the speed and trails you ride (based on the videos I've seen of you), which tends to be slower speed technical stuff, where a higher BB is actually a good thing, but for most trails out there, even super rocky ones like tunnel in SB, I love low bottom brackets. Pretty much the lower the BB, the more I like a bike. I will not ever buy a bike with more then a 14.5BB, and were talking DH bikes here. a 6 inch bike? Absolutely no way.

At any rate, this is one of the few bikes I've seen that would make me consider deviating from the canfield bro's. Top notch.
 

Jm_

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I usually agree with you, but this is not one of those times. It might not be as huge a deal for you given the speed and trails you ride (based on the videos I've seen of you), which tends to be slower speed technical stuff, where a higher BB is actually a good thing, but for most trails out there, even super rocky ones like tunnel in SB, I love low bottom brackets. Pretty much the lower the BB, the more I like a bike. I will not ever buy a bike with more then a 14.5BB, and were talking DH bikes here. a 6 inch bike? Absolutely no way.

At any rate, this is one of the few bikes I've seen that would make me consider deviating from the canfield bro's. Top notch.
Then you build such specialized bikes that only a few people can really utilize them based on where they ride. Yeah, 14.5 is a bit on the high side, and I think a "resonable" lowering of the BB is fine, but in some cases you end up with something that is so specialized in terms of it's useage and what you can ride it on that it defeats the entire point of selling bikes. People seem to totally discount the sag, type of dampers (and capability), chainstay length, wheelbase, ratio of the BB height to each, and other geometry factors. I agree that a lower BB in some situations is great, and that those trails may call for something different. The problem is that not ALL bikes can be that, not all trails are like that. Some race bikes should be lower, as in this thread, but some should not be as well.
 
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WBC

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How The Path's custom Ventan El Ciclon? 5" of travel with a 66 HA & 13.1" BBH.

http://blog.thepathbikeshop.com/2008/08/ventana-el-ciclon-special-edition/
I also think this is about perfect. Having a 6" bike and an 8" bike is too much overlap. A good 4-5" frame with 5" fork, super low BB and real slack HA is perfect. Match it up with a little longer CS, maybe 17.25, and you've got yourself something special.

My little bike for this last season was a Norco Fluid LT with a 7.5 x 2" RP23, 4.5"ish travel, well under 13 bb, 64 HA with a 6" fork. The only downside was the chainstay length was a little long for a slalomy sorta bike. It ripped DH trails!
 

SuboptimusPrime

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Aug 18, 2005
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I also think this is about perfect. Having a 6" bike and an 8" bike is too much overlap. A good 4-5" frame with 5" fork, super low BB and real slack HA is perfect. Match it up with a little longer CS, maybe 17.25, and you've got yourself something special.
You have just described the SC blur 4X and yes, it is something special. Bummer that it has gone away as well...