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Bb7!!!!

Shortbus

Turbo Monkey
Feb 27, 2002
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So here's my new to me BB7. She's a 02, fresh imported from Canada :busted:

I have always wanted a Balfa since I first saw the NR way back when... I did eventually get a 2Step but have always had a thing for BB7s. I finally decided to get one and see what all the (old school?) hype is about. I haven't really taken this thing DHing yet, but the little bit of freeride i've done on her so far, all I can say is :shocked::shocked::shocked: I LOVE this thing!!!!

BB7s ROCK!!!!



 
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Shortbus

Turbo Monkey
Feb 27, 2002
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So a few technical things I've noticed so far... First and foremost is just how adjustable and versatile this thing is. I've ridden it around with the shock mounted in both positions and it pretty much transforms the bike. I so far like the FR shock mount better as it really makes this bike easy to pedal and gives a more balanced feel to the suspension. The DH shock mount makes it super slack, very soft and gives a tendency for the rider to be on the rear of the bike more. Also makes it super plush.
One thing that does get me is the mid section of the BB7. It really likes to collect dirt and mud and grudge in there, and it's really difficult getting that section cleaned up... The shock settings have been fairly easy to get to (contrary to many reviews, I don't have a problem reaching the adjustment knobs).
You can REALLY feel the backward wheel travel path on this things it's really weird when just sitting on the bike, but it really makes it plow through things very very well. Remind me of my BMW's TMX in the way it floats over obstacles. Aaah the memories =)
 

819

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Mar 12, 2003
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Congrats. That was one of the few bikes that I've had ridden that felt really natural. I'd trade most of the tech out right now for a nice high pivot bike.

Enjoy
 

SamB

Chimp
Dec 4, 2007
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Looks good, its a shame that spare parts are so hard to find for them now. The linkage plates on my bb7 are slightly bent (they are the newer ones too), which means that I can't put it into the higher/stepper shock mount. It doesn't bother me too much as my 40's are set at 7" so it is super low, but not too slack at the same time.

Pic of mine:
 

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Shortbus

Turbo Monkey
Feb 27, 2002
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Thanks folks!

Actually my plates are also very slightly tweaked, my right shock mount barely scrapes the side of the TT on full extension in the FR position so I'll looking into getting spare plates too...

I love my FJ! Now if I could only fit any of my bikes in it without taking em apart =)
 

dhmtbj

Monkey
Jan 30, 2002
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That brings back some fond memories! My first downhill bike was a 2001 BB7 and the shock settings were most definitely a pain to get to. I replaced that one with a 2003 in that lovely blue that you have. They improved the shock access quite a bit which is why you haven't had any issues. I still miss how well the BB7 handled rock gardens. My Sunday handles the rocks pretty well but not as well as the BB7 does! Enjoy!!!
 

Shortbus

Turbo Monkey
Feb 27, 2002
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Stuck in the 80s
Yeah http://www.balfa.wooyek.pl has helped me so much in understanding the BB7 and all its intricacies, it's a wonderful site!!! Like I said I haven't really had a chance to take her out on real terrain yet but simply bouncing around on this thing is a blast =)

dhmtbj, OK that makes sense now I didn't think of the shock adjustments location having been fine tuned as the frame developped through the years. Mine is a 2002, so it does not have the floater mount points on the seat tube, I would have to get a clamp mount and a floater system for it... I don't really ride hard enough to notice and be be annoyed by brake jack (yet, perhaps...), so she can brake jack all she wants :D
 

mandown

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Jun 1, 2004
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Another "brings me back" post in this thread :D

Just be sure to keep an eye on that bolt that holds the pulley on above the sprocket. Mine kept coming undone, no matter what I did to hold it on.
 

nelsonjm

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Feb 16, 2007
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Another "brings me back" post in this thread :D

Just be sure to keep an eye on that bolt that holds the pulley on above the sprocket. Mine kept coming undone, no matter what I did to hold it on.
Blue locktite is the key. This reminds me, check your pivot bolts every now and then.. They can come loose. If they do, don't over tighten them.. the axle is aluminum or some other soft alloy. :disgust1:

Those bolds are only about 1/2" long too :shocked:
 

wuchi

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Jun 7, 2008
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Åre (sweden)
Here's mine when I used it, got the last unused one from balfa.co.uk
only used it for one season... now she's hanging on the wall.
i'm planning to make me a customframe based around the balfa soon.


 

Shortbus

Turbo Monkey
Feb 27, 2002
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Awesome BB7s!

Yes I did remove one of the bolts on my main pivot and blue loctite'd it. I did notice just how measily those bolts are... It kinda makes me nervous about them just shearing off :)

I did try removing the silver plates on mine but the big bolts were on there SUPER tight so I decided to leave them alone for now... Until i get that itch to take everything apart again...

Framing your BB7 frame is an awesome idea btw.
 

mandown

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Jun 1, 2004
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Blue locktite is the key. This reminds me, check your pivot bolts every now and then.. They can come loose. If they do, don't over tighten them.. the axle is aluminum or some other soft alloy. :disgust1:

Those bolds are only about 1/2" long too :shocked:
i would have thought that would do the trick... if i hadn't seen it not to the trick on my rig.
 

Broken_Spoke

Mr. Big Hot Pastrami
Feb 26, 2003
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That frame still looks great, too bad the company was shut down. As far as needing new plates couldn't you have a machine shop fab you up some more? Just think you could have plates made out of ti.
 

nelsonjm

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Feb 16, 2007
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i would have thought that would do the trick... if i hadn't seen it not to the trick on my rig.
How long did you wait before riding it? It takes a little while to set (24hrs+) ... I learned the hard way :)

wuchi: want to sell me that chainguide/bashguard?


I better pimp a picture of my balfa too.

 

rockwool

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Apr 19, 2004
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Hey Shortbus, your BB7 looks like an 04 to me as it seems to have the machined HT (but I could be wrong). Good looking bike BTW!
 

rockwool

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Apr 19, 2004
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Awesome BB7s!

Yes I did remove one of the bolts on my main pivot and blue loctite'd it. I did notice just how measily those bolts are... It kinda makes me nervous about them just shearing off :)

I did try removing the silver plates on mine but the big bolts were on there SUPER tight so I decided to leave them alone for now... Until i get that itch to take everything apart again...

Framing your BB7 frame is an awesome idea btw.
Good thing about the bolts are that you can screw them out and take them to a specialist hardware store and get how many spare sets you want for nothing. I still have some lying around in my toolbag..
 

FlipFantasia

Turbo Monkey
Oct 4, 2001
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I finally hung up my '02 (serial # 007) mid way through last season....love that bike, so durable....definitely still ridable, but the pully is disintigrated, and the plates should probably be replaced too.....might just let me roommate slap a fork and wheels on it and use it as a chainless bike in the park....
 

Shortbus

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Feb 27, 2002
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Thanks for the nice words :D

My BB7 is def an 02, no machined headtube (it's probably the light in the pic).

I actually did get a lot of extra bolts with the frame and some metal "links", I think these are what bolt between the 2 plates. Just took her out for a ride out around my place tonight, BB7s REALLY like to go fast indeed :D
 

Shortbus

Turbo Monkey
Feb 27, 2002
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Stuck in the 80s
I finally hung up my '02 (serial # 007) mid way through last season....love that bike, so durable....definitely still ridable, but the pully is disintigrated, and the plates should probably be replaced too.....might just let me roommate slap a fork and wheels on it and use it as a chainless bike in the park....
Speaking of Serial #s, I swear mine says XOX or FOX on the BB shell... I've tried staring at it more to make sense out of it but can't :monkey:
 

dhr-racer

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Jan 24, 2007
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dont forget ladies and gents, you can still buy the BB7 in all its glory as the appalache Real..... without the weight since its only 9.5lbs





BB height: 14.75''
Head angle: 66 deg. with 8'' Boxxer
Recommended static sag: 40% of total travel
Seat tube angle: 69 deg (recommended seatpost offset)
Max recommended rear tire width: 2.8''
Top tube length: Small: 21.75''
Medium: 23.25''
Seat tube length : 15.5''
Chainstay length: 16.25''
Head tube length: 4.5''
Seat post dia.: 27.2mm
Fork steerer dia.: 1.125''
BB shell width: 73 mm
Chainline: 50 mm
Rear spacing: 135mm
Rear axle dia.: 10mm
Shock length/stroke: 8.75''/2.75''
Front triangle material: 6061 T6
Swingarm material: 4130 Chromoly
Travel: 9.1''
Standard shock: Manitou Swinger 6way choice of 350/400/450lbs/in.
Frame weight : 9.5Lbs(with Dhx Ti spring)
 

no skid marks

Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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I don't really ride hard enough to notice and be be annoyed by brake jack (yet, perhaps...), so she can brake jack all she wants :D
It squats not Jacks, so it'll keep the back like the front(both will dive)when braking.
Here's my last one(I've owned a few, none failed).

 
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WheelieMan

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Feb 6, 2003
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Since we've got such a great thread going I will add mine. I just can't believe how the bike keeps going after all these years. I haven't touched the frame bolts or pulley in a long time; I am scared that if I mess something up that it will be a pain to get it fixed. If one of the plates should break though, I would get some new ones made that will allow me to use a more modern, longer stroke shock, while at the same time altering the geometry so that an 8" fork can be used without raising the bottom bracket too much. I hope my bb7 never quits because there isn't anything else I would rather ride! The Appalache is definitely a nice ride but I wish it improved upon more of the bb7's weaknesses, (135mmx10 hub, high bb height with 8 inch fork, relatively short shock stroke, etc...) plus, there's just something about the bb7's industrial aesthetic that I really like!
 

no skid marks

Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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ACT Australia
How's it with the floater?
I liked the 135 rear, and would get it again if I got a bike custom made. I ran a Hadley SS hub with 5 gears and dishless, so it's as stiff as a 150 rear, I didn't have a floater though.
Yeah I always thought of getting new side plates made to shorten the rear, and drop it a touch at the BB. I think I worked out a bigger shock wasn't possible by just changing the side plates(might be wrong though, can't remember).
 

Shortbus

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Feb 27, 2002
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It squats not Jacks, so it'll keep the back like the front(both will dive)when braking.
Here's my last one(I've owned a few, none failed).
That's also good to know... I feel I have still so much to discover about this frame... =)

WheelieMan said:
I haven't touched the frame bolts or pulley in a long time; I am scared that if I mess something up that it will be a pain to get it fixed.
That's pretty much exactly how I feel about mine. Don't mess with it until it absolutely needs to be taken apart.
 

WheelieMan

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Feb 6, 2003
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How's it with the floater?
I liked the 135 rear, and would get it again if I got a bike custom made. I ran a Hadley SS hub with 5 gears and dishless, so it's as stiff as a 150 rear, I didn't have a floater though.
Yeah I always thought of getting new side plates made to shorten the rear, and drop it a touch at the BB. I think I worked out a bigger shock wasn't possible by just changing the side plates(might be wrong though, can't remember).
I wouldn't even consider using it without the floater. When you simply ride down a flat street and hit the brakes, the rear suspension squats probably halfway into its travel (as I'm sure you are familiar). With the floater, the rear end remains level. Now depending on the course or type of terrain you ride the benefits will vary. On relatively smooth or low-speed courses I think the floating brake would not have a huge benefit, but on the courses that I ride (super fast with huge braking bumps) it is very helpful. In fact I would have to say that the bike is perfect for these courses. The rearward axle-path inspires so much confidence, especially when approaching a g-out! Now if the course becomes flat, twisty, or pedally, that's a different story!

Yeah I suppose that using a SS hub does solve the wheel dish problem, but I find it hard to believe that it would make the rear end that much stiffer. I would think that its the interface between the axle and frame that causes most of the flex, not the dishing of the wheel. That's still a good idea though, nobody really needs 9 gears anyway.

The best solution for such a design I think would be to use a 150mm rear hub and therefore a wider bottom bracket, spacing the chainguide out for better tire clearance. The bike then could have been designed for shorter chainstays, and for the 2004 models the floating brake could have a pivot that is concentric with the axle.