Luis Arraiz - MTB Science - Dirt mag
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I don't think it's the 4-bar that's being patented in either case. I think it's the specific application of the 4-bar (geometry combined with its dynamic result). DW's patent is specific to anti-squat, which must have been novel enough not to conflict with prior art. K9's must be specific to some other terminology, which the patent guys also consider novel...
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Very confusing comments for sure.. I think there is some confusion as to what a patent is, and additionally what patent rights entail. Either way, as long as people aren't using technology from the dw-link portfolio, then I'm happy, and the companies licensing dw-link are happy.
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Bloody hell this kind of went off the chart a bit didn't it! Some nice healthy discussion/tech talk going on (on both threads) which is what I love to read, didn't ever mean to get Luis's bike designs dragged into question tho I was always just interested in what people thought of the actual Dirt article! Great reading all the same!
With regard to patents, what is ultimately the reason/benefit?
- Is is to secure capital gain?
- Or to gain recogniton and status?
- Or to prevent duplication(/development) at the detriment to the end user?
- All of the above?
- Is is to secure capital gain?
- Or to gain recogniton and status?
- Or to prevent duplication(/development) at the detriment to the end user?
- All of the above?
Some pics for those who havn't seen any yet.
id say a lot of all of the above
Exactly.
So from one perspective - for greed, selfish ego strokingness and annoyance to anyone except the patent holder then?
Edit: Not to say I wouldn't do it myself mind
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Or to prevent duplication for the benefit of the end user?
Without patents, invention would no longer put bread on the table, no one would bother to invent.
It's not really about any of that. What it is about is protecting your intellectual property, so that the work you do inventing something is YOURS to benefit from - otherwise people would have no incentive to spend time and money doing extensive R&D on whatever, if someone else could just come along and copy/sell their design without having to bear the R&D costs. Sure, some patents are all about marketability (claiming you have a "patented system" makes it sound more credible), and some are just a complete wank, but the original idea of them is that the inventor has the right to profit from his/her invention and the hard work associated with it, without other people being able to copy his/her ideas for their own benefit.Exactly.
So from one perspective - for greed, selfish ego strokingness and annoyance to anyone except the patent holder then?
Edit: Not to say I wouldn't do it myself mind
Agreed with lumpy and socket.
The patent process is too expensive to be used just for ego stroking...
The patent process is too expensive to be used just for ego stroking...
Yup. I work in medical devices, and patents are crucial to survival in this industry. Let me put it to you this way, without patents we'd be hosed. We spend a hundred million dollars and years of research to get a device approved. Then it hits the market, and within 3 months there are half a dozen clones of our device at a fraction of the cost that we charge. We would have done all the legwork, and other companies just rush in to copy us, then reap the benefits of our investment (time and money). Patents keep these kinds of situations to a minimum.
While being granted a patent is most certainly something to be proud of, that's not the reason for pursuing them.