Mini D Race @ Colonnade !

What trail/trails would this be on?

can I use my BMX bike?! lol

It would be kinda nice to have clue so one does not have to bring more then one bike.

How long is the race going to be?, I want to go but I gotta be to work at noon.

come on guys...
its on the north side with the XC trails.
the south wouldn't be much of a race

Whats up with keeping things a secret? If we all ride wouldn't you want more support? I understand you wouldn't want a huge crowd that can't grasp the concept of "respecting property". But, lets face it, more people means more money for the hunnies!! I also understand spending more time in the saddle and earning your way around, maybe we should lighten up and help others enjoy what other people have worked so hard for.Just a thought.

Whats up with keeping things a secret? If we all ride wouldn't you want more support? I understand you wouldn't want a huge crowd that can't grasp the concept of "respecting property". But, lets face it, more people means more money for the hunnies!! I also understand spending more time in the saddle and earning your way around, maybe we should lighten up and help others enjoy what other people have worked so hard for.Just a thought.

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I think you misunderstood. maybe.

If its going to be a mini D and not a Mini super D than I would say the longest line is going to be "the on ramp" to "pips Hips" You could start at the ladder loop at the top, do a lap or 2 on the pump track then all the way down to the bottom of pips hips.

^^^Agreed. That would be a fun course.

How about this a course:
Start at the street(near the DH rock garden) go over the two jumps before the pump track
one lap around the pump track
then head up onto kline
after kline go under the bridge and go by the 3 drops to the wood berm
go around the tree after the wood berm
roll down to the jump in the back corner to the wood drop
then hit the rythem section next to the fence
finish at the jump near the street.

That has it all....

what do ya think?


Jason

That would be a good course to but I think the steep section off the top of "on ramp" would be a better race course type section than k-line. Josh, what do you think?

I was just looking at the calendar on the evergreenmtb site and it said it was canceled.

http://evergreenmtb.org/recreation/calendar.php?event_id=7666

Lame. Totally wanted to race the Colonnade.

why can't we show up and race anyway? then go out for beer

Yeah, I was looking forward to it too. I don't think many people actually signed up and they took that for lack of interest.

I'd guess that a lot of people were interested, just didn't go as far as signing up for it.

I still think this would be really fun so maybe we an rally for another date and all be sure to do what it takes to show interest and make it happen. Seems like a good time to use the dancing banana wee!

i went there today looking for it and no body i was kinda bummed i would like to race but im still recovering from a knee injury. maybe next time.

Can you please tell us why it is so important for everyone to sign up instead of just showing up for an informal race like this one?

Gfreak said:

Can you please tell us why it is so important for everyone to sign up instead of just showing up for an informal race like this one?

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Logistics, I'd assume. If 400+ folks will show up at Port Angeles to pay around $60 to race, I'd imagine there'd be a decent turnout for something local to a lot of us. I'd sure like to know if there's only going to be a dozen-or-so riders or if I should prepare for the masses if I was planning something like that.

Ultimately, you have to have enough pie, cake and ice cream for everybody!

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Can you please tell us why it is so important for everyone to sign up instead of just showing up for an informal race like this one?

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Let's think about this for a second.

1. An idea is hatched for a mini-d race.
2. You get volunteers to help set up / marshal the course.
3. Two people confirm they are racing despite pretty clear instructions on how to do so.
4. You cancel race for lack of interest as not to waste anyone's time (in particular, the volunteers).

What's not to understand?

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you guys as to why you would want everyone to register for an "organized" race so there is enough pie, cake and ice cream. The idea here is an informal race so it's a way to have riders getting together and having some fun. Volunteers could have just as easily been notified that a small turn out was expected but in the event a large amount of crowds showed up the racers could double as volunteers.

The example that comes to mind is when Fluid Ride was hosting the "Mini Downhill" race series which a location was announced and people showed up.

so obviously logic and common sense are not your piece of pie. lets try something different...

if it is associated with evergreen/bbtc it needs to be all official like. This means sign ups, just like for all of their informal group rides. That is just the way it is because it is. deal with it, stop whining, and just have some fun riding.

I wonder if someone had mentioned what trails would have been used to race that there might have been more racers. If people want let's just show up and race. Pick the lines to do a mini race. All we would need is a one person at start and one at end. Cell phones and stop watches is all we really would need. Let's race.

bent^biker said:

so obviously logic and common sense are not your piece of pie. lets try something different...

if it is associated with evergreen/bbtc it needs to be all official like. This means sign ups, just like for all of their informal group rides. That is just the way it is because it is. deal with it, stop whining, and just have some fun riding.

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You're funny, the only whining I hear from Gfreak are his two kids kids down the block (they really don't whine though).

bent^biker said:

so obviously logic and common sense are not your piece of pie. lets try something different...

if it is associated with evergreen/bbtc it needs to be all official like. This means sign ups, just like for all of their informal group rides. That is just the way it is because it is. deal with it, stop whining, and just have some fun riding.

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No need to flame, I just asked a simple question and brought a different point of view to the table. For the record I think Evergreen is doing a great job and applaud them for trying to put events like this on. I encourage them to try this race again.

Now back to task....Your reasoning above "if it is associated with evergreen/bbtc it needs to be all official like" does not make sense or have facts backing it up. A good answer would sound something like this: "Evergreen's attourney has advised them that in order to avoid being sued in the event of an accident all riders must sign in for Evergreen sponsored events formal or informal". Btw the way I just made that last part up for the purpose of this post.

Hey Chris, the kids are always whinning mostly because they can't ride their bikes.

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Hey Chris, the kids are always whinning mostly because they can't ride their bikes.

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That is the best kind of whinning.

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Now back to task....Your reasoning above "if it is associated with evergreen/bbtc it needs to be all official like" does not make sense or have facts backing it up. A good answer would sound something like this: "Evergreen's attourney has advised them that in order to avoid being sued in the event of an accident all riders must sign in for Evergreen sponsored events formal or informal". Btw the way I just made that last part up for the purpose of this post.

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i'll tell you what i think the deal is. Economy is rough, takes money to keep Colonnade in good repair. Money that was thought to be coming in is not coming in. Hmm a good idea that get's racers to help out the cause, promote advocacy, and raise money that can help out issues there like drainage, organizing volunteers so on so forth.

If there was a ton of money probably already have alot of issues taken care off including the dust issue.

So it was a good idea for a fun event, but it's also helping the people that are taking care of the trails. Evergreen is a non-profit being pulled in many different directions with a staff of 4 people, not all of them full time and the rest volunteers not getting paid. So if they are going to put resources into something they don't want to stand around looking at each other with no racers.

That would make Evergreen look like a bunch of idiots, the people that brought you Colonnade, the people that are building Duthie. For me for you. i think that's what the deal is.

People planning and sacrificing time for 2 people that sign up. Like it's too hard to ask people to come out and help build trail, now we have to convince people to sign up on an internet board? Get your fat lazy ass off the couch, raise your fat fingers stained orange with cheetos and wet with boogers and beer and type on your damn keyboard and sign up next time.

Wow a little harsh. I didn't think building the Colonnade was something to hold over riders heads whether they helped build or not.

Skooks will not be happy until that palm tree is replaced with a 12 foot tall statue of himself. Good idea on the race guys. I really think it was more about bad timing. The weather is getting better and most people are out of town riding or busy. Wait until the rain hits again and you'll have a great turnout.

dirtmover said:

Wow a little harsh. I didn't think building the Colonnade was something to hold over riders heads whether they helped build or not.

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If you think it's bad now, just wait til we get an earthquake and the freeway collapses on it. We'll be waiting at the trailheads with shotguns for the rebuild...

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i'll tell you what i think the deal is. Economy is rough, takes money to keep Colonnade in good repair. Money that was thought to be coming in is not coming in. Hmm a good idea that get's racers to help out the cause, promote advocacy, and raise money that can help out issues there like drainage, organizing volunteers so on so forth.

If there was a ton of money probably already have alot of issues taken care off including the dust issue.

So it was a good idea for a fun event, but it's also helping the people that are taking care of the trails. Evergreen is a non-profit being pulled in many different directions with a staff of 4 people, not all of them full time and the rest volunteers not getting paid. So if they are going to put resources into something they don't want to stand around looking at each other with no racers.

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Hey Skooks I think you may have missed my point. All I'm saying is that for a reoccuring event like this you have to start somewhere; race series generally need to be grown and the popularity will increase as word gets out that it was a fun race. Look at the Port Angelas races the turnout in the beginning is no where near what they are now. I'm sure this series could be popular within 3 races and the goals you stated above would start to be acheived. So only 2 people signed up, look at how many people who wanted to race never signed up and were bummed to learn that it was cancelled.

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People planning and sacrificing time for 2 people that sign up. Like it's too hard to ask people to come out and help build trail, now we have to convince people to sign up on an internet board? Get your fat lazy ass off the couch, raise your fat fingers stained orange with cheetos and wet with boogers and beer and type on your damn keyboard and sign up next time.

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I know that your comment wasn't necessarily directed at me but I have to say that it rubbed me the wrong way. It feels like your chastizing everyone that does not help build or maintain trails affiliated with Evergreen. Most of the people I know on these boards (myself included) and people I ride with (most do not post here) do more than their fair share to build and maintain trails that are not affiliated with Evergreen. Comments like yours do more to hurt then help mountain biker involvement with our trail systems.

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Hey Skooks I think you may have missed my point. All I'm saying is that for a reoccuring event like this you have to start somewhere; race series generally need to be grown and the popularity will increase as word gets out that it was a fun race. Look at the Port Angelas races the turnout in the beginning is no where near what they are now. I'm sure this series could be popular within 3 races and the goals you stated above would start to be acheived. So only 2 people signed up, look at how many people who wanted to race never signed up and were bummed to learn that it was cancelled.

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i totally agree, i'm not against it starting up at all (like i have any power over that? no). i personally think the timing is bad to start up now with so many options open, Galby, PA, Post Canyon, Whistler, Ski Bowl, there are just so many rides and things to do now.

i said the same thing a while ago on this thread.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=523341

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I know that your comment wasn't necessarily directed at me but I have to say that it rubbed me the wrong way. It feels like your chastizing everyone that does not help build or maintain trails affiliated with Evergreen. Most of the people I know on these boards (myself included) and people I ride with (most do not post here) do more than their fair share to build and maintain trails that are not affiliated with Evergreen. Comments like yours do more to hurt then help mountain biker involvement with our trail systems.

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Let's get something straight. i don't represent Evergreen, i don't work for Evergreen, i am a mountain biker like you, who happens to volunteer in ways that i personally think is best for mountain biking.

Beyond all of that i was laying it on really thick, otherwise joking there at the end. i was cracking myself up with the chee-tos shtick, i thought it was funny. Anyways if you don't like how i see things you are more than welcome to disagree, we don't have to hate though, and i certainly am not looking to make enemies or rub people the wrong way.

So let's see what i did wrong...

i'll tell you what i think the deal is. Economy is rough, takes money to keep Colonnade in good repair. Money that was thought to be coming in is not coming in. Hmm a good idea that get's racers to help out the cause, promote advocacy, and raise money that can help out issues there like drainage, organizing volunteers so on so forth.

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Ok all this is true, the event was scheduled as a good way for the Evergreen to raise some dough but have a fun event. Win win for everybody...

If there was a ton of money probably already have alot of issues taken care off including the dust issue.

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This is true too. Did you guys know that Portland is getting a skills park too, and that an anonymous person is donating ONE MILLION FRIKKING DOLLARS!!! That's just crazy man... Anyways this is true, all the maintenance and paying Josh and Mike to do work at the park takes money to do. So still nothing false here...

So it was a good idea for a fun event, but it's also helping the people that are taking care of the trails. Evergreen is a non-profit being pulled in many different directions with a staff of 4 people, not all of them full time and the rest volunteers not getting paid. So if they are going to put resources into something they don't want to stand around looking at each other with no racers.

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Ok i'm still not seeing anything wrong with this to see how i rub people the wrong way.

That would make Evergreen look like a bunch of idiots, the people that brought you Colonnade, the people that are building Duthie. For me for you. i think that's what the deal is.

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Ok i still haven't said anything about hanging anything over anybodies heads, again i am not Evergreen, i'm not helping out at Duthie (that much), so tell me. What business is going to host an event non-profit or not, that just doesn't show any interest. 2 people signed up man, c'mon...

People planning and sacrificing time for 2 people that sign up. Like it's too hard to ask people to come out and help build trail, now we have to convince people to sign up on an internet board? Get your fat lazy ass off the couch, raise your fat fingers stained orange with cheetos and wet with boogers and beer and type on your damn keyboard and sign up next time.

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Haha ok this was all unnecessary, but pretty funny. Again let's remind everyone reading i have no official position with Evergreen, i just volunteer, and i have an opinion. If this makes you raw, then be mad at me as an individual, or be a regular person and just disagree.

We're ALL on even ground, maybe it just seems like i should represent Evergreen because i do what i think is good for mountain biking. But trust me i have no more influence than you do probably.

i just choose to volunteer, and sometimes i have ideas that i run with that i think is a good deal, that's it.

So with that said it really rubs me the wrong way i have to spend so much time pointing all this stuff out. i mean really, what is so boggling to understand about all of this, and what did i say that would somehow transfer over to me making you and others lose interest in helping Evergreen. Like what i should say make a difference in if you and others want to help, you either want to help or not.

Is that going to be the excuse "We're not going to help at Duthie because Skookum is being a dick."

C'mon man, i don't even think i'm being that "dickish".

This board is full of freeriders, if you don't think there are good things happening @Duthie for you, you sir are smoking extremely potent crack. The project is what is important, mountain biking is what's important. Evergreen is the non-profit that will bring this stuff down the pike. Evergreen relies exclusively on volunteer effort otherwise it will fail. That's just reality, and that's why i say the stuff i do. If you haven't checked out what's going down there, go check it out, don't work, just explore and see. You'll probably forget all this crap i'm talking about, and want to help out...

or maybe not...

I don't think I like the new short-hair skooks.

MMike said:

I don't think I like the new short-hair skooks.

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i lost my Vidal Sasoon sponsorship, so there was no point in keeping it long anymore.

largextracheese said:

Skooks will not be happy until that palm tree is replaced with a 12 foot tall statue of himself.

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Awesome idea! I'm working on it...

now thats art^^^