X-Fusion Velvet R fork ?

I will keep you posted I just put one on my Dobermann Molose 24 its set at 80mm I might see if I can lower it to 60mm. Supposedly you can set it that low. I know Adam from Black Market runs one and beats the snot out of it. I also know a few guys running them for urba, park and dj with no complaints. From what they say its internals are similar to but of better quality then a fox at half the price.

At high pressures [to run it stiff], the dampers tend to like to blow. Mind you, these are essentially older [2006?] Fox 32 Floats.

How high of pressures are you talking about? I know the manual says it can be pumped up to 300psi

cullen- the forks work great, and justin breaks everything he puts on his bike. i've ran them hard for a while now and they hold up great.

quickneonrt said:

How high of pressures are you talking about? I know the manual says it can be pumped up to 300psi

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I ran my fox at 175 and I just blew it up on an accidental hip to flat at the skatepark. I couldnt imagine 300 in it. I only weigh 165.

Supposedly the internals are better then the fox internals

I've got a velvet on my Mob right now and I have learned to hate it.... the stanchions are coming apart from the crown, and if i don't set it super stiff it feels like crap. When I do try riding it at a reasonable level of plushness, it has never been smooth for me either.... in my opinion, x-fusion is just making cheap, low quality fox knock-offs.
But that's just what I think, everyone's entitled to their own opinions right?

The Velvets are the most tunable, best made suspension forks on the market.

I use them for everything from trails riding to winning national XC championships.

Customer support from the guys over there is top notch too.

That's the first bad experience I have heard of with a velvet

SuspectDevice said:

The Velvets are the most tunable, best made suspension forks on the market.

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:lol:

quickneonrt said:

How high of pressures are you talking about? I know the manual says it can be pumped up to 300psi

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Realize when you lower a fork, you're making the air chamber much smaller. So at full extension, 300 PSI might not be so bad, but lowering it to 80mm and pumping it up to 300 PSI will cause big problems.

This is coming from not ever seeing the internals to a Velvet, but it seems pretty similar to a Fox Float.

SuspectDevice said:

The Velvets are the most tunable, best made suspension forks on the market.

I use them for everything from trails riding to winning national XC championships.

Customer support from the guys over there is top notch too.

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Tunable how? They have rebound, internal travel adjustable and air preload. That isn't exactly that tunable

quickneonrt said:

Tunable how? They have rebound, internal travel adjustable and air preload. That isn't exactly that tunable

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They also have IFP volume and pressure adjustments, and a fully shimmed rebound and compression damper. Give me 20 minutes and I can make a velvet feel any way I want...

SuspectDevice said:

They also have IFP volume and pressure adjustments, and a fully shimmed rebound and compression damper. Give me 20 minutes and I can make a velvet feel any way I want...

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I guess you are not talking about the Velvet R then.

quickneonrt said:

I guess you are not talking about the Velvet R then.

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I am in fact talking about the Velvet R. Before you go slagging off a product, you should probabally, gee, check the facts?

SuspectDevice said:

I am in fact talking about the Velvet R. Before you go slagging off a product, you should probabally, gee, check the facts?

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I am not slagging off on it I just bought one and I would like to know how to tweak it. Mine is 80mm all I know how to do is add air and adjust the rebound. The manual does not tell you anything else. If you could let me in on how to do any other adjustments. Also can it be lowered any further like to 60mm? Can it be lowered or raised without draining oil out?

quickneonrt said:

I am not slagging off on it I just bought one and I would like to know how to tweak it. Mine is 80mm all I know how to do is add air and adjust the rebound. The manual does not tell you anything else. If you could let me in on how to do any other adjustments. Also can it be lowered any further like to 60mm? Can it be lowered or raised without draining oil out?

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Yup, all of that stuff is possible... In the next couple of days I'll try to put up an illustrated pictorial... You can call the guys at X-fusion and they would be glad to walk you through it.

The lowers don't have oil in them, just a tiny bit of oil and some slick honey... It's a sealed cartridge damper... It's normal stuff for people who are used to working on suspension. Commonly avaiable shaft spacers are used to lower the travel. As long as you also adjust the IFP pressure and volume (On the bottom of the damper side, needs to be unscrewed with a cone wrench and occasionaly shaft blocks) you can run very high pressures at very short travels with a great deal of reliability.

I'll try to put up some pictures and a step by step in the next few days... but things are busy as hell around here at the moment.

Have you forgotten about us? I'm still waiting to see this pictorial. I'll be recieving my Velvet fork in a couple of days and I'm nervous about what to do if it isn't set up right. I'm hoping it's the 130mm that I ordered but I will want to change it to 120mm later.

http://justhitit.pinkbike.com/blog/01.html

link to instructions. Also call X-Fusion they will e-mail you better instructions-just more pics.
Lowering it 10mm really is kind of a waste of time, since if it is set up for anything but dj and urban it is going to sag that 10mm. Now if you use it for urban or dj then I would go down to 100 or 80mm.

as per X-Fusion-

Lowering the IFP when lowering the fork is not recommended. Actually what you would want to do is increase the IFP. But lowering the fork and keep the existing IFP is totally fine. But if you did want to play with the IFP you would have to unscrew the lower half of the damper side to access the air valve. That’s all it takes. Let me know if you have any other questions.

The IFP is the Independent Floating Piston that basically controls the initial compression stroke. For what you are doing just air up the fork through the air valve and you will be fine. Playing with the IFP only would be crucial on a race bike where you would be going over high speed chatter bumps and such. I wouldn’t mess with it.

these were the answers I got about going from 80mm to 60mm for urban an dj on my 24"

Excellent! Thankx.

I got my Scott Spark built and took it for a two hour ride. I am sure the fork needs to come down a bit. At 130 the geometry is just way off. I understand the sag thing but when jumping logs and such the fork extends fully and seems to make the jump more difficult. I'm far from bottoming the fork or using it's full travel. The bike was just to hard and damn near impossible to get balanced and tuned in. Where can I get the spacers to lower the travel? I wrote the X-Fusion website and called them on the phone ( only got voicemail) but I got no answer.

Currently X-Fusion is out of spacers, as of last week anyway. Call Fox and order the spacers from them, they are the same.

I'm still confused. I pulled the air tube out but I don't understand how you get the spacer on the tube in the location it belongs. Does on end of the tube come off or do the spacers have a slit that allows you to slip it around the tube? I haven't seen a spacer yet however the Fox spacers are on order from my LBS.

the spacers have a slit in them and should just slide on

Salty4X said:

the spacers have a slit in them and should just slide on

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Yes they do Have a slit in them. I just lowered my Velvet to 60mm with a Fox spacer. The Fox spacers are a little different but fit and do the same job. Only problem I had was the Parks spa-2 spanner tool the pins are slightly bigger then the holes on the air rod retaining plate. I carefullly drilled them a little wider and it worked like a charm.

You could also look for some Nylon spacers from hardware stores and cut a slit into them... as long as the inner diameter is the same as the regular spacers

this is a bit unrelated, but I have a rock shox fork and on the air psi chart, it says for riders that are 220lbs you should put 150+lbs of air in there. That's the highest the chart goes, I already have 150psi in but it's not quite stiff enough... I have no idea how much higher I am able to go before I risk the damper

Best thing to do is call RS.

Yea Hoooo! I got my fork lowered to what is suppose to be 110mm, actually seems to be 115mm with my precission rule, but with about 25% sag and the rebound damper knob 3/4 the way closed the fork is handling nicely over everything. Even when standing up to climb the bob isn't that bad. It's suprizingly laterally stiff, more so than the Fox I owned a couple years ago and very close to the Lefty I have now. It's a very nice fork, especially in that price range. I don't see the need to own a Fox. X-Fusion, you're da' bomb.