hyundai makes a good car. I had to drive one for a week as a loaner car. Could not complain.
Would you buy a Hyundai?
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I commute 80-85 miles round trip 5 days a week, so I'd buy one and just put a zillion miles on it and then sell it. I was actually thinking about buying one in another year or so...
I don't put much stock into a cars manufacturer's "reputation". Toyotas are supposed to be great cars, but I had a Tundra that I was less than impressed with, and I currently commute in a Camry, which may be the biggest POS I've ever owned. Chevy's are supposed to be garbage, but I've always had good luck with them.
YMMV
I don't put much stock into a cars manufacturer's "reputation". Toyotas are supposed to be great cars, but I had a Tundra that I was less than impressed with, and I currently commute in a Camry, which may be the biggest POS I've ever owned. Chevy's are supposed to be garbage, but I've always had good luck with them.
YMMV
In Seoul the ones I rode in were fine.
hyundai == kia.
i thought the kia soul looked nice, but jessica and i were turned off by
a) the dealer experience, both in terms of the salespeople and the other customers! heh
b) the poor tactile feel of the interior
c) the poor ergonomics, namely a giant blind spot (although nissan and others are guilty of this as well these days: see the murano or FX series for instance)
i thought the kia soul looked nice, but jessica and i were turned off by
a) the dealer experience, both in terms of the salespeople and the other customers! heh
b) the poor tactile feel of the interior
c) the poor ergonomics, namely a giant blind spot (although nissan and others are guilty of this as well these days: see the murano or FX series for instance)
My parents just did a Cash for Clunkers deal getting rid of their Ford Exploder and they picked up a Elantra "Touring" (station wagon) model. I drove it a bit the other day and it was a pretty nice little car. Much nicer than the Hyundai I rode in some time back in 1989. I don't know if it was the car or my Aunt having that thing pegged out at 85 on crappy Chicago roadways, but was I ever glad to get out of that thing.
08 hyundai Sonata in the shop today, 14ish K miles, front brakes gone, one caliper Frozen, rear brake springs broken, right lower ball joint is toast, left inner tire rod smoked.
Tell me, does anyone really want one of these? Its not an uncommon occurance. to find a mass of problems such as this on Hyundais.
Tell me, does anyone really want one of these? Its not an uncommon occurance. to find a mass of problems such as this on Hyundais.
Better than industry average. My Toyota was a lemon therefore all must be too using your logic
No No No, The logic is, I see the hyundai's like this all the time, least once a week do I have a Hyundai with more problems than they should have at way too much Milage, it isnt that one in a mill is a lemon, its they are disposable cars. All brands have their issues, but Damn some just take the cake.Better than industry average. My Toyota was a lemon therefore all must be too using your logic
My hates
Kia
Hyundai
Chrysler
Saturn
My likes
Toyota
Honda
Chevy
Ford
I base that on what I see with the most problems in the shop. I dont look at how pretty, how fast a vehicle is, I look at how often there is a major problem. Thats also my list in order from what I hate most, and what I like best.
I know for certain that Chevy isn't any better and they are just another GM product these days - badge engineering. Saturn shares their popular models with Chevy - same platform with heavy parts overlap. Aura and Malibu come from the same factory/assembly lines and the same goes for their Lambda SUVs - Chevrolet Traverse and Saturn Outlook. The Saturn Vue and Equinox also share platforms and some parts but aren't built in the same factory so quality can vary a bit there.
Ford's reliability and quality does not compare to the other brands in your positive list. Even compare a US focus to their own focus in other countries - its pathetic.
As Toshi found, Kia's dealer network sucks and Hyundai's network isn't as good as Ford or Chevy but that's about the all facts show. A family friend owns a large auto group and the only brand he really hated (and has dropped) was Kia about 5-6 years ago. In addition to decent brands he also sells some similarly low quality brands like Jeep, Isuzu, Dodge, and Pontiac but even though they are all poor quality products working with Kia just wasn't worth it.
Ford's reliability and quality does not compare to the other brands in your positive list. Even compare a US focus to their own focus in other countries - its pathetic.
As Toshi found, Kia's dealer network sucks and Hyundai's network isn't as good as Ford or Chevy but that's about the all facts show. A family friend owns a large auto group and the only brand he really hated (and has dropped) was Kia about 5-6 years ago. In addition to decent brands he also sells some similarly low quality brands like Jeep, Isuzu, Dodge, and Pontiac but even though they are all poor quality products working with Kia just wasn't worth it.
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Actually I am finding saturn shares more Honda parts than GM. Saturn is very much its own company, it was just owned by gm when it started, and this parts overlap isnt as much as one would belive. Its the small parts that are making them soo different. Try and find me a set of struts for an Ion other than dealer, if you can even get them there. How do you say Ford doesnt compare in reliability? It would seem that your logic basically kicks out the american motors all together. Remember your talking to someone who has been working the auto repair industry for over twelve eyars, and is a master technition, and I am listing what I see with an unbiased opinion.
The biggest things I have to deal with on a Hyundai
Interior rattles
Front end wandering<ball joints like to go out early on these>
Clunk on acceleration<Motor mounts fail on these way early>
Brakes grinding<again there is no reason why a brand should regulary be going through brakes within 15K miles, one of the same bitches I have about chryslers.
Look at my list again, the Dislikes list ar ethe cars I have coming in with reltivly low milage with very costly repairs needed, over half the time the dealers are kicking them out for warranty, which reminds me, add Nissan to the dislikes list due to dealers reaction to warranty, they seem they try everything they can to NOT cover warranty items.
Now to be clear, I am not looking at Maintanance items, I know brakes are considered a Maint Item, but at teh same time, most all other vehicle out there can make it to at least 40ish K before they need brakes. I run Maint items on every car out there, but its the major repairs that stand out in my head.
The biggest things I have to deal with on a Hyundai
Interior rattles
Front end wandering<ball joints like to go out early on these>
Clunk on acceleration<Motor mounts fail on these way early>
Brakes grinding<again there is no reason why a brand should regulary be going through brakes within 15K miles, one of the same bitches I have about chryslers.
Look at my list again, the Dislikes list ar ethe cars I have coming in with reltivly low milage with very costly repairs needed, over half the time the dealers are kicking them out for warranty, which reminds me, add Nissan to the dislikes list due to dealers reaction to warranty, they seem they try everything they can to NOT cover warranty items.
Now to be clear, I am not looking at Maintanance items, I know brakes are considered a Maint Item, but at teh same time, most all other vehicle out there can make it to at least 40ish K before they need brakes. I run Maint items on every car out there, but its the major repairs that stand out in my head.
Saturn does not use the Honda 3.5 V6 drivetrain anymore which was the only parts share with Honda in the first generation Vue (and only in certain MYs/trim). Lucky for GM they built their own system for the trans which was recalled for defective design in all Hondas (Honda used lines which were too small on their system): http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=2004041436013
Regardless of what "you found" or think, the models I mentioned are badge engineering. They share platforms, parts, and often even come from the same factory.
Regardless of what "you found" or think, the models I mentioned are badge engineering. They share platforms, parts, and often even come from the same factory.
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Ergonomics is a reason why I have had better luck with European cars so far with seats more suitable for my height. Syadasti can complain all he want about BMW but the drive and seats are super comfortable.
If I didn't hate cars salesman I would love to that the Genesis for a test ride just to see what they have to offer.
Ok, I am assuming that by Badge engineering you mean, its an identical car, with a new name plate.....I seriously hate to break this to you....But you couldnt be more wrong. They may have the same engine block, they may have a simular look but the parts that make it a car are friggin different, different part number different durability......Dude, I Effin work on this **** every day, trust me on them not being the same car......This heavy parts overlap isnt as heavy as you think. Block and trans ok, the controls and programming.... not even close. Its those "other parts which distinguish's these differences in quality's, and difference in them NOT being the same vehicle with a new badge. They may be close, they they are def not the same.
No I mean exactly what you quoted, "They share platforms, parts, and often even come from the same factory."
As I mentioned above - Saturn Outlook and Chevy Traverse - same platform, same drivetrain, and with some models the same factory. Its a fact, not an opinion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Lambda_platform
Saturn Aura and Chevy Malibu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Epsilon_platform
The only platform with some extra diversity is the Theta (Saturn using the Honda 3.5L drivetrain for some of their first generation models and the Suzuki GV). The second generation platform (Vue, Terrain, Equinox) came out of the work of GM Daewoo in, yes, Korea. The current GMC Terrain and Chevy Equinox Theta's are coming from the same factory, same drivetrain options.wiki-malibu said:
Saturn Vue and Chevy Equinox
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Theta_platform
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The X3 I leased I got a really good deal on including full service. Its not more than a wagon with more head room and all wheel drive but with much more room inside than the 3 series that it is based on.
As for Top Gear they reviewed it as you would a land rover which it was never designed as. The also like in the review you show complained about the ride. I had a 2007 which had improved interior and a changed suspension plus a pretty damn good engine with for its category really good mileage. Yes, if you like a soft American tuned suspension it is not a car you for you but we had no problem with the ride even on the crappy NYC roads and prefer it to the our current Volvo XC70 which more American than Euro in its floating boat like drive.
Digging up old reviews and quoting Top Gear may be you way of saying you just don't like BMW which is fine with me if you feel like getting that across again. I was just trying to illustrate that there is more to buying a car then a brands overall reliability score. Besides the BMW bashing what are you really trying to say
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Topgear UK is not consumer reports show and is not targeted at the US market at all so the 2006 BMW X3 has a terrible ride period. A BMW is known for sporty cars, not SUV/minivans (unless you are in the US with their X and the latest SAV abominations)
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IPD makes some sweet front and rear anti sway bars that take the XC70 from a rolling turd to sporty handling for a car its size. It's the best thing I ever installed in our XC70The X3 I leased I got a really good deal on including full service. Its not more than a wagon with more head room and all wheel drive but with much more room inside than the 3 series that it is based on.
As for Top Gear they reviewed it as you would a land rover which it was never designed as. The also like in the review you show complained about the ride. I had a 2007 which had improved interior and a changed suspension plus a pretty damn good engine with for its category really good mileage. Yes, if you like a soft American tuned suspension it is not a car you for you but we had no problem with the ride even on the crappy NYC roads and prefer it to the our current Volvo XC70 which more American than Euro in its floating boat like drive.
Digging up old reviews and quoting Top Gear may be you way of saying you just don't like BMW which is fine with me if you feel like getting that across again. I was just trying to illustrate that there is more to buying a car then a brands overall reliability score. Besides the BMW bashing what are you really trying to say
Ohh the crazy Americans ruined BMW. Next thing you know they will put slow diesel engines or 4cyl engines in a BMWs and completely ruin the brand.Topgear UK is not consumer reports show and is not targeted at the US market at all so the 2006 BMW X3 has a terrible ride period. A BMW is known for sporty cars, not SUV/minivans (unless you are in the US with their X and the latest SAV abominations)
Interesting - I wish the rebound was a little faster too but I have not found rebound adjuster
Obviously, I think he missed the part were I listed that My PROFFESION is automotive, and that I have my hands and head in these vehicles everyday for the last twelve years, I have a degree in Automotive, I am Master certified, and I follow these things on a very regular basis seeing how I am still after twelve years in the feild in classes every three months to keep up with exactly what he is arguing I am wrong on.......Love that part of it
what you see in your shop is not a random distribution and is not generalizable.
See, thats the thing, Im not generalizing it, I see the same problems on the same cars regularly. Absolutly it isnt a random distribution, this isnt something I am trying to pull off with a random lemon that came in the shop. These are repeat problems, on the same types of vehicles, with the same average milage. For instance, Chrysler product, 8500 ish miles, comes in for an oil change...8/10...not no exageration..Needs front brakes and rotors, mostly the Voyagers. Hyundai Sonata, 18Kish miles....Needs ball joints, usually has a trans leak developing. Nissan Pick ups, 35ish K Engine light, 7/10 the cats are bad. Saturn Ion, 5K miles......Rear struts blown and soaked with oil, still cant get them even from the dealer...they are too busy using them for warranty. Saturn Vue...22K miles.....Dashboards loose, rattling, weatherstripping leaks. Fords<all that use the DPFE egr system> 50K, DPFE sensor bad EGR ports plugged. ANother chrysler common occurance, 60K Evap Leakdown pumps failing. Chrysler again, 80K trans just stops, complaint is usually My car is stuck in 2nd gear<limp mode>.
Its like seeing a fat guy, and you can bet he has hi cholesterol, hi blood pressure, and probably orderline Diabetic, if not Diabetic. You see the vehicle, you know the lists of problems inherent to those vehicles.
No, that would be like Toshi saying his patients are an accurate representation the entire population, they aren't. A SRS shows the best hint at the reality, which isn't what you are getting at your shop.
Toshi would never make that claim though cause he understands stats - that was his point!
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My point was, while I dont Pigeon hole every car that comes in the shop, they still have common problems that never cease to amaze me from year to year, Model to Model. While I say what I said about an over weight patient, I know Toshi isnt going to assume all that is wrong, just he wont in any suprised to see it.
Buy whatever car you want, I dont care. I am jsut moving what I see in teh real world...Kinda like how the manf's will tell you you dont need an oil change for 5-8K miles, but when you actually read the manual they list that for light duty, and to keep a vehicle Light duty, its damn near Lab conditions, there is always at least two of the conditions that out your vehicle into severe duty.
I check EVERY vehicle the exact same when they come in for serviceI have an in depth inspection I do everytime I open a hood of a vehicle. If they have a specific complaitn, I address that first, yet still I check the everything else. Not a full blown Diag, but an overall safety and PM check.
I seriously have to ask...are you in the auto industry? Do you hit up SEMA every year? Why is it that when you hear from someone who is actually doing the work, going to school, week long classes three and four times a year you need to argue that its totally wrong?
Oh yeah, this isnt just My shop these problems are seen at, when we have a class, there are people from 20 plus shop in different areas, they are all seeing the same thing.....thats why we are all going to these classes, to keep up with the new technology, and the new problems that come out. Find someone with Mitchell, look up some of the TSB'sisted, you will find a ****load of problems out there you never knew existed by reading your reports.
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You still don't get Toshi's point.
In the same way Toshi's patients don't represent the average health of all people from a population, your repairs don't either. Its distorted and flawed to call the non-random sample a proper picture of the entire population. Sick people and broken cars aren't the same thing as average people/cars.
Take an entry level stats class and you'll figure out why your sample does not represent the model's entire population as a whole.
Nobody is doubting your skill or the cars you've seen. You can see how easy it is to work on them, where/how they usually fail in your customer base/area (but not necessarily why which is equally as important), and possible flaws but you can't accurately see the average overall picture for all of those model in production.
In the same way Toshi's patients don't represent the average health of all people from a population, your repairs don't either. Its distorted and flawed to call the non-random sample a proper picture of the entire population. Sick people and broken cars aren't the same thing as average people/cars.
Take an entry level stats class and you'll figure out why your sample does not represent the model's entire population as a whole.
Nobody is doubting your skill or the cars you've seen. You can see how easy it is to work on them, where/how they usually fail in your customer base/area (but not necessarily why which is equally as important), and possible flaws but you can't accurately see the average overall picture for all of those model in production.
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But your not getting my point, look at it from the insider veiw, I will repeat this again, its not just my shop, I dont work on just hyundais, or fords, or Chryslers, or chevy...I work on everything. Its not just my shop seeing this, its damn near every shop. My whole list of dislike vehicles is about common problems that are, in my opinion, inexcusable for the milage that is on these cars. Its not random, its verything from the I jsut got my license and every car is a race car drivers, to the little old ladie drivers that are the same effin problems. This is the **** I have seen over the last twelve years, its the **** that was in my textbooks when I got my degree, its whats in the textbooks when I am attending regular classes....Textbooks..... compiled from the best of the best in the business that I am getting this from. Doesnt anyone get this? I have more info, and more hand on than the general public with this.
Cars that are regularly falling apart are not a car I would buy, I think everyone else should thouigh, it keeps me in business.
If you got money, and aw you is worried about id gas mileage and warntee, den I'd say go buy yo azz a hun dey, and look like Billy Carter pawkt his Win-o-bay-go outside da white howss! Aight! You get on witcho bad self! Nome thay'n? Amathin how many low clath people gravitate to da uppa clath, an aw dey wanna do is go back to da traila pawk. Damn ath honkeys! Get yoself a fiddy cc scooter and save on money, gas mileage and have aw da lethbian tree huggas aw up in yo grill for sav'n the earth!
I'll counteract yo dethision by driving my big ass gas hog with my catalytic converter pulled off just to tick off the do gooders!!
When I hit da lottery, I'm driven a bran nu Lambo Gilliardo just to suck down future generations resorcesays so your kids will have the burden yawl parents stuck on me! Pass da buck I thay!
(a pun not to be taken seriously but WILL draw sharp criticism from aw you jive ass toykey bastuds!) Fa-LAME IT!!! Here we go. WHO BE DA FOIST!?
I'll counteract yo dethision by driving my big ass gas hog with my catalytic converter pulled off just to tick off the do gooders!!
When I hit da lottery, I'm driven a bran nu Lambo Gilliardo just to suck down future generations resorcesays so your kids will have the burden yawl parents stuck on me! Pass da buck I thay!
(a pun not to be taken seriously but WILL draw sharp criticism from aw you jive ass toykey bastuds!) Fa-LAME IT!!! Here we go. WHO BE DA FOIST!?
So DirtyMike, what do you think of Suzuki?
Haven't done much investigating, but the wife is needing a new ride as her POS sentra is on its way out, and the SX4 has me slightly intrigued.
An AWD wagon (or "crossover" whatever the hell that means) starting at like $16k. A poor-man's Subaru Outback? Too good to be true?
Haven't done much investigating, but the wife is needing a new ride as her POS sentra is on its way out, and the SX4 has me slightly intrigued.
An AWD wagon (or "crossover" whatever the hell that means) starting at like $16k. A poor-man's Subaru Outback? Too good to be true?
Suzuki has come a long way, still not too many on the road. They can be a bitch to get parts for. Its an ok vehicle if your looking for a lower cost, seem to be lacking in the power department though. If your really wanting a Subie, spend the extra and get the Subie.
yeah I would buy one...they have come a long way...all you have to do is read up...D
Found this...
Hyundai Beats Toyota in New Consumer Reports Survey and Last J. D. Power Initial Quality Study
No doubt executives running Toyota, the worlds most profitable automaker, are experiencing greater concerns over South Koreas Hyundai than classic rivals Honda and Nissan.
After all, Honda and Nissan target a slightly different, more sport-oriented buyer than Toyota, one that South Koreas number one producer is successfully luring away from domestic and Japanese new car buyers due to lower prices, unique styling, attractive features and now, top-tier reliability.
This last point was made crystal clear when the brands Hyundai Sonata was awarded top Entry Midsize Car in the 2004 J. D. Power and Associates 2004 Initial Quality Study (IQS), which came out last year. In the same U.S.-based survey, the Hyundai nameplate ranked 7th out of 37 brands with 102 problems per 100 vehicles, which was second among entry-level brands behind 4th place Honda, with 99 problems per 100 vehicles, and 9th place Toyota, with 104 problems per 100.
While J. D. Power and Associates 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) showed Hyundai near the bottom of the barrel, ranked in 32nd of 37 nameplates, with 375 problems per 100 vehicles, the study surveys owners of three year old vehicles, and doesnt necessarily reflect the ownership experience a new 2005 model year buyer can expect.
Rather, the brands rise in J.D. Powers IQS, placing it ahead of Toyota, is a sign that its VDS scores are about to dramatically improve as well. Driving this point home is a new survey by another independent and highly influential organization, Consumer Reports magazine, which rates the Sonata highly to say the least. With only 2 problems for every 100 vehicles sold, Consumer Reports rates the 2004 Sonata as the “single most reliable vehicle” available.
Hyundai Beats Toyota in New Consumer Reports Survey and Last J. D. Power Initial Quality Study
No doubt executives running Toyota, the worlds most profitable automaker, are experiencing greater concerns over South Koreas Hyundai than classic rivals Honda and Nissan.
After all, Honda and Nissan target a slightly different, more sport-oriented buyer than Toyota, one that South Koreas number one producer is successfully luring away from domestic and Japanese new car buyers due to lower prices, unique styling, attractive features and now, top-tier reliability.
This last point was made crystal clear when the brands Hyundai Sonata was awarded top Entry Midsize Car in the 2004 J. D. Power and Associates 2004 Initial Quality Study (IQS), which came out last year. In the same U.S.-based survey, the Hyundai nameplate ranked 7th out of 37 brands with 102 problems per 100 vehicles, which was second among entry-level brands behind 4th place Honda, with 99 problems per 100 vehicles, and 9th place Toyota, with 104 problems per 100.
While J. D. Power and Associates 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) showed Hyundai near the bottom of the barrel, ranked in 32nd of 37 nameplates, with 375 problems per 100 vehicles, the study surveys owners of three year old vehicles, and doesnt necessarily reflect the ownership experience a new 2005 model year buyer can expect.
Rather, the brands rise in J.D. Powers IQS, placing it ahead of Toyota, is a sign that its VDS scores are about to dramatically improve as well. Driving this point home is a new survey by another independent and highly influential organization, Consumer Reports magazine, which rates the Sonata highly to say the least. With only 2 problems for every 100 vehicles sold, Consumer Reports rates the 2004 Sonata as the “single most reliable vehicle” available.
Hmm.
With a couple of exceptions, this is actually kind of an interesting thread. Weird.
With a couple of exceptions, this is actually kind of an interesting thread. Weird.
What about the van you liked? (photo from yesterday)
Latest American Customer Satisfaction Index released Tuesday
There was a really efffed up commercial for the Soul. A blurred image of what looked like a masked-Jason Voorhees-ish figure peeking into the window, then running off into the woods.
I don't think I even know what the damn car looks like, but it creeps me out.