transition dirt bag

chromagnus · Sep 13, 2009

you say bottlerocket in your post but the title says dirtbag. Either way you are best served by a true DH frame if you want to race. Can you race either of those bikes yeah, but you will probably want a dedicated rig. I dont know about putting a 40 on a BR. Not really the best fork for that frame. You can see that the forks spec'ed on the transition website are all 160mm single crown forks.

I have a RM switch that i ride and a DHR. The DHR just feels like a different animal when you are riding DH. My switch is similar to a BR or DB in that they are both more like FR bikes. If i had to choose which bike i would race with, the DHR would win over the switch every time.

cracked · Sep 13, 2009

I can't answer for racing but for regular DH and FR riding..........the dirtbag is a great bike. My riding buddy has one and he RIPS it!! The bike is good on the gnar, can jump, drop. My buddy says it handles great on all aspects!!

But I THINK if you're gonna race........you'd want a dedicated and specific race bike.
JM2C!

chromagnus · Sep 13, 2009

winterparkdh23 said:
ok so u would suggest a full on downhill race bike like a dhr, demo, revolt, or 303?
see i mostly ride at winter park which is pretty mello and just flowy trails so thats why i was asking about a bottlerocket.

i have been there and i think you could get away with a BR to enjoy the park. i wouldnt put a 40 on the bike and you said you wanted to race. I had my 7 inch bike in whistler in august and i had my DHR in snow shoe last week. If i were going to try to enjoy hammering a bike in a downhill park i would buy a dedicated DH rig. just my opinnion.

blackohio · Sep 13, 2009

revolt, nuff said

Iridemtb · Sep 13, 2009

How much do you have to spend? Where will you be riding? What is your riding ability?

jsk14 · Sep 14, 2009

I own a BR, and while it's a great do-it-all bike, and will allow you to ride everything you can imagine, it's not a downhill racing frame. If you plan on racing, i'd steer away from bottlerocket, and go for something lower, and slacker, and bigger.

DirtyMike · Sep 14, 2009

Blindside if your looking full DH race. BR with a 40 equals broken frame, and a stup tall BB height with deadly slow turning. 160 is the magic number for a BR on the front. Dirtbag will take the 40 no problems, little steep and hi still for use as a race bike, it works, and its a great bike<rode one for a couple years>and is alot of fun, its heavy, steep and tall.

mserko1 · Sep 14, 2009

Get the new Transition TR450 DH bike. I think it should be coming out soon if it hasn't already.

zebrahum · Sep 14, 2009

The bottlerocket rides tall with a 180mm Totem on it, I'm on the don't put a 40 on it wagon.

If you're into the BR, why not consider a blindside, it's a fun bike.

arboc! · Sep 14, 2009

build it with a fox 36 and a 9 speed setup... perfect for some mini-dh

joelsman · Sep 15, 2009

on smoother jump trails the bottle rocket is sweet, but the blindside would be better for park riding and still jumps really well. the tr450 should be out in December,

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

chromagnus said:
you say bottlerocket in your post but the title says dirtbag. Either way you are best served by a true DH frame if you want to race. Can you race either of those bikes yeah, but you will probably want a dedicated rig. I dont know about putting a 40 on a BR. Not really the best fork for that frame. You can see that the forks spec'ed on the transition website are all 160mm single crown forks.

I have a RM switch that i ride and a DHR. The DHR just feels like a different animal when you are riding DH. My switch is similar to a BR or DB in that they are both more like FR bikes. If i had to choose which bike i would race with, the DHR would win over the switch every time.

Transition clearly states any 8" dual crown fork will work fine

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

DirtyMike said:
Blindside if your looking full DH race. BR with a 40 equals broken frame, and a stup tall BB height with deadly slow turning. 160 is the magic number for a BR on the front. Dirtbag will take the 40 no problems, little steep and hi still for use as a race bike, it works, and its a great bike<rode one for a couple years>and is alot of fun, its heavy, steep and tall.

From the Transition Website:

FRAME FEATURES:
140mm (5.55") Rear Wheel Travel
Fox DHX 5.0 Coil 7.875" x 2.25" or DHX 5.0 Air 7.875" x 2.25"
6000 Series Heat Treated Aluminum
Sizes: Small (15"), Medium (15"), Large (15")
Current Production Run Colors: Gray Speckle, Red, Blue, Mint Green, Purple, Raw
Last Production Run Colors: Baby Blue, White, Raw
Decals: Decal kit with 3 sets of decals in White, Chrome, Yellow
Frame Weight: 7.95 lbs (without rear shock)
Complete Bike Weight Range: 36-40 lbs (Depending on Rear Shock and Fork)
1.5" headtube
Compatible with up to 8" dual crown forks
73mm bottom bracket spacing
Accepts up to 8" Rear Disc Brake Rotors
Fits up to 2.5" rear tire
1 year defect warranty, Lifetime crash replacement

captainspauldin · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Transition clearly states any 8" dual crown fork will work fine

doesn't mean it's a good idea..

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

Yeah you're probably right. What does Transition know, they only engineered it :eek:

captainspauldin · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Yeah you're probably right. What does Transition know, they only engineered it

That's why they base the geometry on a 160mm fork a2c, and not 203mm fork a2c?

blackohio · Oct 5, 2009

i want to run a 203mm for on a 4" travel bike, give me a HA of like 50º and see how long until it breaks off.

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

captainspauldin said:
That's why they base the geometry on a 160mm fork a2c, and not 203mm fork a2c?

Again, you're argiung with the engineers who designed it? I'm sure if it was such a bad I dea Transition would not say it will work. Silly boy

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

blackohio said:
i want to run a 203mm for on a 4" travel bike, give me a HA of like 50º and see how long until it breaks off.

Try english next time champ

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

You guy's should really let Transition know what your findings are. Thank God you guy's caught it in time. Hurry up,let their engineers know they are wrong.
Here's their contact info.

Transition Bikes
2641 Delta Ring Rd.
Ferndale, WA 98248
Phone: (360) 366-4960
Fax: (661) 457-4310

slowitdown · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Again, you're argiung with the engineers who designed it? I'm sure if it was such a bad I dea Transition would not say it will work. Silly boy

you're not as smart as you pretend. either that, or you're not a very skilled bike rider. I'll wager the Transition boys make the statement about big forks to indicate the strength of the HT/DT/TT junction, not to suggest it's a good idea to over-fork a bike.

you are trying to suggest that approving a fork means approving the way it rides with that fork, when the two ideas are not connected. if you can point to a statement by the Transition boys that says "this bike rides great with a 200mm fork," maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. right now, you have no legs... but lots of talk.

shift96 said:
You guy's should really let Transition know what your findings are. Thank God you guy's caught it in time. Hurry up,let their engineers know they are wrong.

you should try English.

you know English, right? it's where you learn how to use apostrophes properly.

silly fool.

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

slowitdown said:
you're not as smart as you pretend. either that, or you're not a very skilled bike rider. I'll wager the Transition boys make the statement about big forks to indicate the strength of the HT/DT/TT junction, not to suggest it's a good idea to over-fork a bike.

you are trying to suggest that approving a fork means approving the way it rides with that fork, when the two ideas are not connected. if you can point to a statement by the Transition boys that says "this bike rides great with a 200mm fork," maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. right now, you have no legs... but lots of talk.

I'm not pretending to be smart. I'm just going by what Transition recommends, not some tool on RideMonkey who thinks he knows more than a bike designer.

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

slowitdown said:
you're not as smart as you pretend. either that, or you're not a very skilled bike rider. I'll wager the Transition boys make the statement about big forks to indicate the strength of the HT/DT/TT junction, not to suggest it's a good idea to over-fork a bike.

you are trying to suggest that approving a fork means approving the way it rides with that fork, when the two ideas are not connected. if you can point to a statement by the Transition boys that says "this bike rides great with a 200mm fork," maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. right now, you have no legs... but lots of talk.

you should try English.

you know English, right? it's where you learn how to use apostrophes properly.

silly fool.

I love it. Doesn't take much to rattle you guy's up. :rofl:

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

slowitdown said:
you're not as smart as you pretend. either that, or you're not a very skilled bike rider. I'll wager the Transition boys make the statement about big forks to indicate the strength of the HT/DT/TT junction, not to suggest it's a good idea to over-fork a bike.

you are trying to suggest that approving a fork means approving the way it rides with that fork, when the two ideas are not connected. if you can point to a statement by the Transition boys that says "this bike rides great with a 200mm fork," maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. right now, you have no legs... but lots of talk.

you should try English.

you know English, right? it's where you learn how to use apostrophes properly.

silly fool.

Just curious how you interpret me trying to be "Smart" when all I did was translate info from a website? You are the one trying to be smarter than a bike maker.
People crack me up, they ask a question about a product when the answer is on the manufacturers website :confused:

then listen to monkey's on a chat board over said info :confused:

captainspauldin · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Again, you're argiung with the engineers who designed it? I'm sure if it was such a bad I dea Transition would not say it will work. Silly boy

The engineers at Transition designed the bike around a 160mm fork, it's going work better with a 160mm fork.. so even though it's ok to put a 203mm DC fork on it, doesn't mean it's a good idea..

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

captainspauldin said:
The engineers at Transition designed the bike around a 160mm fork, it's going work better with a 160mm fork.. so even though it's ok to put a 203mm DC fork on it, doesn't mean it's a good idea..

Sounds good....

captainspauldin · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Sounds good....

I thought you would finally come around and agree with me.

NJHCx4xLIFE · Oct 5, 2009

A BR with a 203mm fork would most likely be the worst handling bike ever. Structurally it would be fine since the front end is very similar to a Gran Mal/Blindside but that doesn't mean it will ride well.

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

You have ridden one?

zebrahum · Oct 5, 2009

I've rode one with a 180mm Totem on it and it was not a great match. Very tall front end, made the whole bike feel like it was going to tip backwards. The suspension wasn't balanced, made the design feel off somehow. Add another 20mm and no thanks.

You need to calm the hell down and start actually paying attention to what all these people are saying. Everyone is simply trying to get you to realize that it's not a good idea even if it is possible. If you'd stop looking in every post for a way to combat the person and start looking at the information provided you might actually get your answers.

Since you've provided the contact information, why don't you go ahead and give Transition a call yourself and see what they say. Great guys up there, but I'll give you a preview: "yes you can put a dual crown fork on the bike but it will negatively affect the way the bike rides".

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

zebrahum said:
I've rode one with a 180mm Totem on it and it was not a great match. Very tall front end, made the whole bike feel like it was going to tip backwards. The suspension wasn't balanced, made the design feel off somehow. Add another 20mm and no thanks.

You need to calm the hell down and start actually paying attention to what all these people are saying. Everyone is simply trying to get you to realize that it's not a good idea even if it is possible. If you'd stop looking in every post for a way to combat the person and start looking at the information provided you might actually get your answers.

Since you've provided the contact information, why don't you go ahead and give Transition a call yourself and see what they say. Great guys up there, but I'll give you a preview: "yes you can put a dual crown fork on the bike but it will negatively affect the way the bike rides".

Who's upset? I'm not but thank you for lecture. I typically do not pay much attention to what people say on chat boards. Sorry. I guess I'll need to get over that. Carry on and take it easy man, you're gonna blow a gasket

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

Kelly Clarkson

captainspauldin · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Who's upset? I'm not but thank you for lecture. I typically do not pay much attention to what people say on chat boards. Sorry. I guess I'll need to get over that. Carry on and take it easy man, you're gonna blow a gasket

Eh heh heh, he said.. chat boards..

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

captainspauldin said:
Eh heh heh, he said.. chat boards..

zebrahum · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Who's upset? I'm not but thank you for lecture. I typically do not pay much attention to what people say on chat boards. Sorry. I guess I'll need to get over that. Carry on and take it easy man, you're gonna blow a gasket

Again, not reading anything that anyone is saying. Do you have a question? Do you have anything interesting at all to say?

I'm just kidding, of course you don't.

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

zebrahum said:
Again, not reading anything that anyone is saying. Do you have a question? Do you have anything interesting at all to say?

I'm just kidding, of course you don't.

Hey where's that bandwagon?

zebrahum · Oct 5, 2009

shift96 said:
Hey where's that bandwagon?

Hey, where's that interesting thing you were going to write?

shift96 · Oct 5, 2009

zebrahum said:
Hey, where's that interesting thing you were going to write?

Kinda like what you are posting? :confused:

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