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  • Chris King

    Votes: 18 24.7%

  • Hadley

    Votes: 40 54.8%

  • I9s

    Votes: 15 20.5%
  • Total voters
    73
  • Poll closed .
Jettj45

Jettj45

Monkey
Oct 20, 2005
670
3
Butthole of NC
slowitdown said:
It depends on the rider more than the locale. Spokane is plenty rocky. It's plenty rocky where I am too. Some of us can make soft rims last on our trails. And some of us can't. It doesn't mean you're a hack. Everyone has a way of going fast, not everyone is a float/skim rider. You must know this, eh? Think of the DH bike selection available... some are better at plowing, some are better at popping/skimming.

Mavic makes strong burly rims but when I was a lower-skilled rider I trashed Mavic rims regularly. More recently my trail bike had a set of very soft Salsa Delgado Disc rims (on Hope Pro II - making it relevant here!) and I rode them on our roughest trails and on our only DH race course, which is brutally rocky in many places. They never got trashed. If it matters -- I weigh 150.
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Yeah, I understand that I was just trying to say with some trails where there is no "smooth line" just rocks combined with a lower psi (24-30) for races, sidewall bends are going to happen on a soft rim like the 5.1d. Making them not ideal. PS, I do have a plow bike(Judge).
 
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WBC

Monkey
Aug 8, 2003
578
1
PNW
NoUseForAName said:
Don't bother with Hope unless you want to only ever run cassettes with a spider - think high to top end cassettes.
Even my Ultegra 9 speed cassette has bitten into the soft alloy of the freehub body in places.

Bring back the Ti freehub body option and i am IN, but right now, they are sitting as spare wheels only.

I liked my DT 440s, would defintely consider a 340 for the next bike, especially if it has better engagement.
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Two things:

1) If you're dropping serious cash on nice hubs, in part I would guess to save unsprung weight, how can you not justify spending $20-30 more on a nice cassette with a carrier that saves more weight than you save comparing between cheap and high dollar hubs...not even considering how much difference a good cassette makes in shifting. Not talking about going crazy, but a 9sp Ultegra is only like $30 more than a Tiagra these days.

2) All the nice DT hubs (240, 440) have aluminum freehub shells just like a Hope.

yeah.

ps, when you weigh 250 with a good snap, you put grooves in Ti and AL hubshells alike, regardless of if you have a carrier or not...He's Big Bear!
 
spocomptonrider

spocomptonrider

sportin' the CROCS
Nov 30, 2007
1,412
118
spokanistan
Jettj45 said:
I'm the asinine one when your making presumptions about my riding, how much I must weigh and trails you have never been on?

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Your second paragraph is just re-iterating what I already said.
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wasn't making "presumptions" about where you ride or how much you weigh. All I said was if you are under 190 they should hold up fine. Its not like any part on a DH bike will last more than a couple seasons anyhow.




Hope Pro II hubs, I won't get into rim choice, don't want anyone to get their panties in a bunch.

-edit- I do agree don't run proII's unless you're willing to get a high end cassette as well, lower end cassettes will dig into the aluminum freehub body making it very difficult to remove/ install another.

Jettj45 said:
Wow really...learn to just let it go. I never made any comment presuming what trails you ride. I said there good on non rough trails, obviously no one has the same perception of what a rough trail is. And no I have never ridden where you live so I can not say that the trails I ride are rougher than yours. But I know Snowshoe and Diablo have reputations of having some of the rockiest trails around. Not just from locals but from WC racers like Sam Hill and Gee Atherton who have said Diablo is probably the rockiest race they do.


I was not trying to spark an 'E fight' but you mentioned he should get 5.1d for rims after they guy already said he was going with 823's which are known to be one of the toughest rims out there. All I was saying was I have experience on 5.1's and they do not hold up anywhere near 729's or 823's. Like some other people mentioned there not even made for downhill or freeriding.
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e fight.
 
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Brian HCM#1

Brian HCM#1

MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 7, 2001
32,119
378
Bay Area, California
davep said:
The king 150mm hub has some issues with proper freehub spacing. Depending on particular set-up you may not be able to get the chain on the largest cog...as the freehub(and thus cogs) sits 3-4 mm further inboard than what is considered 'normal' from every other mfg.
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I've never had a shifting problem with my 150mm CK, and it gets all cogs.
 
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NoUseForAName

Monkey
Mar 26, 2008
481
0
WBC said:
2) All the nice DT hubs (240, 440) have aluminum freehub shells just like a Hope.
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The Hopes got less use than my 440s (4 months of Whistler, versus 6 months of Whistler plus a winter on the North Shore), with the same cassette, but have significantly more cassette bite into the freehub.
I'm faster this year and on a bike with 1.2" less travel, but i don't think that either of those affected my experience of the Hope hubs.

Re: Cassettes - the 105 9 speed is discontinued, been increasingly difficult to find for years now. An Ultegra (which still marked my Hope bad enough that i had to wrestle it off) is $100, a Tiagra Cassette (which WILL mess your freehub up) goes for $34.

Hope = no sale.
 
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1901

Chimp
Oct 9, 2009
16
0
Riding a computer desk.
I run Dura-Ace on mine (Hope ProII) and have still had problems removing the cassette. However the bite isn't so bad to keep another from going on... They are light and relatively cheap though.
 
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Evil Sylvain

Monkey
Feb 27, 2006
181
1
Montreal, QC, Canada
Hadley on my DH bike.
I9 on my AM bike
Hope Pro II SS on my singlespeed bike.

I will only comment on the I9 (enduro wheelset straight spokes) since I have had them three seasons and it is the bike that has been ridden the most. Spokes were trued once after a week of riding in Moab/Fruita in early 2007 and it was their first week on the bike. They were brand new. In three years I broke one spoke. This spring I had a strange noise coming from the rear hub but after removing, cleaning and tightening everything back together the noise went away and never came back. I have not disassembled the rear hub yet this fall, but will do so soon, but at the end of 2008 it looked brand new.

Overall I have to say I am very satisfied with my wheels.
 
Kanye West

Kanye West

220# bag of hacktastic
Aug 31, 2006
3,741
473
Hadley. Just flat out DURABLE and well made. I lace them up to WTB Dual Duty FR rims which are light, strong, cheap, and narrow.

DT's are not an option. They come apart and still lack the engagement of the higher end hubs, but cost basically just as much.

Kings can bind too easily and are far too expensive.

Hopes are just a joke.

I have no experience yet with the J-bend I9's, but that does sound pretty cool. Just turned way way off by their spokes.
 
monkeyfcuker

monkeyfcuker

Monkey
May 26, 2008
912
8
UK, Carlisle
I have to disagree about the alu freehub on Hope hubs causing that many problems, I run a chopped down cassette on both my wheelsets meaning every cog is seperate and yes I have some wear but not enough to bother me or cause problems. I think the main cause of the issue is users not tightening the cassette lock ring up enough and also keeping it tight meaning the cogs can move and bight into the freehub.

What I'm saying is man up and put some torque into that lock ring!
 
Biffff

Biffff

Monkey
Jan 10, 2006
913
0
I have a 4 year old 150x12 Hadley on one of my bikes. I just replaced the bearings this year, and I have a one year old 72pt Hadley on my Demo........Sounds awesome, engagement is great and the bearings are like new after a serious year of riding. I also have a 4 year old Hadley front hub, that will get new bearings this winter as the originals are just starting to show slight signs of wear.
Buy Hadleys..They will be the last hub you'll "need" to buy for a long time.
 
- seb

- seb

Turbo Monkey
Apr 10, 2002
2,924
1
UK
The american classic hub has a neat feature - one of the splines on the freehub body has a steel front bonded onto it, which stops the cassette digging into that one spline, and as such, all the others too :)
 
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