Whoops....JD gets busted...

morethanjake543 · Oct 21, 2009

I know that this has been beaten to death, but it doesn't matter if the drug is illegal. These racing rules shouldn't be playing the role of the moral police. That's bollocks. And, not to mention, by not banning it they aren't encouraging it's use, either.

DH-LOS · Oct 22, 2009

Besides all these legal or illegal debates.. I am just talking about the sanction and the sanction is straight up GHEY.. Who cares if the guy smokes weed its not like he is doping or juicing weed doesnt make him faster its got nothing to do with his sport.. Bottom line if he wants to smoke let him he is a pro cyclist for gods sake he is not a Air Traffic Controller.. Thats my .02

Brad23 · Oct 22, 2009

didn't they smoke in the early tour's for the uphills. I've definitely notices it help quiet the burn...

But i'd say it ranks with nicotine and caffeine, not EPA's. They know they need better rules and better testing, Christ, you can get busted for use of a asthma enhaler...

slowmtb · Oct 22, 2009

I heard it was a joint effort .

spocomptonrider · Oct 22, 2009

slowmtb said:
I heard it was a joint effort .

I see what you did there...

- seb · Oct 22, 2009

sundaydoug said:
When you get pulled over for going 70 in a 55 and get a ticket, do you argue with the police officer that the speed limit shouldn't be 55?

Was one of my arguments when I got pulled for 85 in a 50 the other day. That and that the guy was tailgating me. I got let off

stringbean · Oct 22, 2009

haha what a legend

esr · Oct 22, 2009

dropmachine.com said:
There is also the possible benefit of being calmer under MJs influence, which would definitely help fight the nerves battle.

being calmer is not totally true. You may look calmer, but internal stimuli is greater increased.

As for nerves THC has been proven to increase paranoia so that argument holds no water.

binary visions · Oct 22, 2009

I've always kinda wondered if having a test similar to a BAC test would help legalize marijuana?

I mean, there's no real way right now (as far as I know) to tell if someone is actually high without the physical signs (bloodshot eyes, offering them a bag of cheetos, or suggesting that, like, dude, we're all totally connected in this crazy world - and seeing if their eyes glaze over. None of which are likely to be admissible in court.

So employers, cops, the UCI, none of these people have a way to determine if an employee/driver/participant is actually high. Which, of course, you should not be when you're working/driving/racing.

I don't agree that it should be illegal, and I do think people should push to have it legalized, but getting busted for it is just plain stupid. Quit smoking if you're in a position to get tested.

Leppah · Oct 22, 2009

TWeerts said:
wait, wait, wait. you guys are telling me this kid smokes?

i dont believe you

Is that Ellen??? She looks good in that shirt.

Salty4X · Oct 22, 2009

what should be illegal is the talking about the misfortunes of a 20 year old kid. I understand that getting caught means you get a suspension, but publicly discussing someone else's business in situations like this is morally wrong and shame on USA cycling for posting these events on the interweb. The same thing happened to a young pro BMXer last year and was just as much BS then. These things should be kept in private.

Eastern States Cup · Oct 22, 2009

Salty4X said:
what should be illegal is the talking about the misfortunes of a 20 year old kid. I understand that getting caught means you get a suspension, but publicly discussing someone else's business in situations like this is morally wrong and shame on USA cycling for posting these events on the interweb. The same thing happened to a young pro BMXer last year and was just as much BS then. These things should be kept in private.

I may be the first one ever to state this: "I agree with Salty4X for once".

NJHCx4xLIFE · Oct 22, 2009

Salty4X said:
what should be illegal is the talking about the misfortunes of a 20 year old kid. I understand that getting caught means you get a suspension, but publicly discussing someone else's business in situations like this is morally wrong and shame on USA cycling for posting these events on the interweb. The same thing happened to a young pro BMXer last year and was just as much BS then. These things should be kept in private.

I agree it really isn't anyone business but keeping it secret is a terrible idea. This will make others think twice. What about all the roadies who get popped for doping? Should that be kept secret too or is it ok becuause they are older? Maybe it is ok to expose them but not mountain bikers? In a way he is a public figure and his business will always potentially be discussed by people... deal with it. If you don't want people in your business then don't attract attention to yourself. I've met him and he seems like a cool kid but ever see how he acts in public? If he wanted to fly under the radar he does a terrible job of it. You can also bring attention to yourself in a good way, not acting like a jackass. Its a shame becuause he is a ripper but **** like this will make a team think twice before picking you up.

bizutch · Oct 22, 2009

I didn't bother to read all 7 pages of banter, but this sentence was the most hilarious thing about the whole post:

Swanguen has been disqualified from all
competitive results achieved on July 19, 2009, the date of his positive test, through and including the date
the doping education program is completed, including forfeiture of any medals, points, and prizes.

Hah HAH!! Poor JD will have to give back some tires and pair of hubs or something. It's not like he's gonna have to give back any money since USAC doesn't pay their pros!
:rofl:

Salty4X · Oct 22, 2009

bizutch said:
Hah HAH!! Poor JD will have to give back some tires and pair of hubs or something. It's not like he's gonna have to give back any money since USAC doesn't pay their pros!

ha, I really liked those grips too. Jeeeez.

drkenan · Oct 22, 2009

Salty4X said:
what should be illegal is the talking about the misfortunes of a 20 year old kid.

sundaydoug · Oct 22, 2009

norbar said:
Seriously? Do you know no one that complained about ridiculous speed limits? No one complains to the cop but we didn't hear JD complaining to the USAC/UCI.

Yes, seriously. My point is that pee-wee idiots arguing on the internet isn't going to change the rules. They are what they are and someone broke them. Big deal. Get over it.

Raingauge · Oct 22, 2009

slowitdown said:
if you oversimplify complex issues of human metabolism, psychoactivity, and pharmacology into a single conclusion, you definitely have a problem.

the rank hypocrisy of allowing Rx pharma out the arse, while banning THC and cannabinol -- astounding.

as to legality -- when did the UCI get into the game of enforcing America's laws? are UCI reps going to follow all UCI licensed pros to make sure they never speed, run red lights, spit in public, jaywalk, pee in public, et cetera?

also as to legality -- seems to me there's medical marijuana to throw a GIANT spanner in this "it's illegal" argument.

oops.

Maybe he should cut the tape on the course next race too or put an electric motor on his bike for a sprinting section... Exaggerations. Yes, but still against the rules.

I'm not saying its not a stupid rule, but I'm sure its a rule that he knew about and was well aware of the consequences if he was to get caught. Seems like a pretty easy choice to make. Ride/race your bike for living, travel the world and live by the rules of the UCI/USC during the season or smoke weed.

The UCI isn't enforcing America's laws; they're enforcing the rules of the sport they govern.

TKCastle · Oct 22, 2009

One way to settle this.

One race, Pot Heads vs. Straight Shooters. Combined times wins it all then we will all meet up in the pits, puff and pound brews then all say bye and drive home.

I must confess, EC I was stoned out of my mind when I won my cat. at the Hillbilly race. Sorry brother but that race was sooo fun and laid back. I hope you forgive me.

bdamschen · Oct 22, 2009

sundaydoug said:
This is what people don't get.

When you get pulled over for going 70 in a 55 and get a ticket, do you argue with the police officer that the speed limit shouldn't be 55?

I'm just about the biggest proponent for the combonation of weed smoking and bike riding, but the dude broke the rules. The penalty seems pretty slack, so I think he got off easy.

Your analogy is funny since California has gone from a 55 mph speed limit to a 70 mph speed limit in the last 20 years.

bdamschen · Oct 22, 2009

Salty_T_Dog said:
It's just stupid. No one is arguing over the fact it is illegal duh. Take a brief history lesson to see how it was Illegalized started by the Mormons in Utah when Mexicans kept coming and bugging them what did they do they outlawed marijuana as way to get rid of immigrants let me remind you it has been around as long as alcohol and has widely avaible use and wasn't ever made illegal till we had minority issues in the United States. So what I am trying to say anyone who's ever smoked pot or knows someone who does knows its a bunch of crap. The guy who is singly handed responsible for banning it said this in court "Harry J. Anslinger"(racist dip sh**) It makes white women sleep with negros. And not to mention the whole cotton advisary. Where I am going with this is one it should never be illegal. It was banned for all the wrong reason with bull **** propaghanda that you have to be literaly eating **** to believe. Sorry for my grammar its not the best.

Salty-

You might want to brush up on your marijuana history. There's an even better conspiracy behind the real reason pot was outlawed in the US. No joke, do some research. :thumb:

BC VAN · Oct 22, 2009

TKCastle said:
One way to settle this.

One race, Pot Heads vs. Straight Shooters. Combined times wins it all then we will all meet up in the pits, puff and pound brews then all say bye and drive home.

I must confess, EC I was stoned out of my mind when I won my cat. at the Hillbilly race. Sorry brother but that race was sooo fun and laid back. I hope you forgive me.

I don't judge, If an adult wants to make a choice to smoke or drink or do anything else that is sometimes questionable in our society who am i to judge?

The driving bit is a different story, It potentially involves other people in vehicles moving at a high rate of speed, as a father it is a scary thought.

If thats how you like to run it on the bike who am I to tell you different, Hill Billy wasn't/ isn't about book full of rules it was about having a good time and i am glad you did.

IH8Rice · Oct 22, 2009

bdamschen said:
Salty-

You might want to brush up on your marijuana history. There's an even better conspiracy behind the real reason pot was outlawed in the US. No joke, do some research.

exactly. he should research the real reason the government banned it...after it was legal.

we should follow Holland's lead in worrying about sh!t far worse than marijuana

Salty_T_Dog · Oct 22, 2009

If you know the so truth enlighten me IH8Rice and bdamschen. I'm not trying to be rude but I'm going off facts not conspiracy I have all the refrences. All companies who made pantent against growing it due to the cotton industry hype and even admit afterwords the first state to legalize it and there actions. I'm always curious to know something I didn't.

Salty_T_Dog · Oct 22, 2009

I mean you go to venture on how many other companies were against it like tabacoo growers and others due to how yielding of materials the plant is. But no bull**** conspiracy theories.

slowitdown · Oct 22, 2009

Raingauge said:
The UCI isn't enforcing America's laws; they're enforcing the rules of the sport they govern.

Nope. Try again, please. Your "conclusion" stated above is not even close to supported by the facts. Try again, please -- on someone a whole lot more gullible than I am.

IH8Rice · Oct 22, 2009

slowitdown said:
Nope. Try again, please. Your "conclusion" stated above is not even close to supported by the facts. Try again, please -- on someone a whole lot more gullible than I am.

why dont you share your expertise then on the UCI

bizutch · Oct 22, 2009

this thread needs tags...ASAP.

richhouseman · Oct 22, 2009

First of all, I really hope JD gets things sorted out, and continues to be a force on the scene!

2nd of all, I'd like to believe that Gary would have still been racing today if he'd gotten the same penalty as JD. 2 years and $2500 was Gary's initial fine, which later was reduced to one year. He currently still can't get a pro license until he pays the fine.

Stay strong JD!

Big HOuse

IH8Rice · Oct 22, 2009

richhouseman said:
He currently still can't get a pro license until he pays the fine.

is he refusing to pay the fine?

if so, good for him

davetrump · Oct 22, 2009

Zman said:
This is my big issues with this whole thing. Forget the pot, the legalit, any of that shtuff... My big isue is the fact that Gary gets worked over and JD gets a pathetic slap on the wrist for something that is blatantly banne in our sport. Either let Gary race with no issues now or give JD the full sentence (would rather Gary could race!!!)

interesting logic... just because one guy received a overly severe (career ending essentially) sanction it should be that way for everyone always and forever?

it is one thing if the two sanctions were issued in the same season, but we are talking 6 years time between the two.

I think JD is receiving a fair punishment. Yeah, Gary got hosed 6 years ago but that doesn't make it ok to hold that against JD.

hell... MJ has been decriminalized in multiple states over the past 6 years. By your logic the guy who gets a misdemeanor today should really be getting arrested on criminal charges because some other guy had that happen to him years ago :confused:

all the Pro Marijuana folks out there should be glad there crop of choice is under less scrutiny.

sethimus · Oct 22, 2009

Salty_T_Dog said:
If you know the so truth enlighten me IH8Rice and bdamschen. I'm not trying to be rude but I'm going off facts not conspiracy I have all the refrences. All companies who made pantent against growing it due to the cotton industry hype and even admit afterwords the first state to legalize it and there actions. I'm always curious to know something I didn't.

start with this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/

bizutch · Oct 22, 2009

richhouseman said:
First of all, I really hope JD gets things sorted out, and continues to be a force on the scene!

2nd of all, I'd like to believe that Gary would have still been racing today if he'd gotten the same penalty as JD. 2 years and $2500 was Gary's initial fine, which later was reduced to one year. He currently still can't get a pro license until he pays the fine.

Stay strong JD!

Big HOuse

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these two totally seperate organizations issuing punishment, hence the variation in punishment would be expected? The UCI was totally humiliated on the world stage in an era when they were dumping big bucks abroad on a fringe sport during it's heyday.

Also, does your bro still work for the moto industry, at one point as a truck driver? That's some serious coin he'd be getting paid. I ask because it's not clear if you mean he can't race b/c he can't afford it, or he dismisses it and chooses not to. :confused:

Inclag · Oct 22, 2009

MJ = Michael Jackson?

Salty_T_Dog · Oct 22, 2009

Hahaha your movie will only prove my hypothesis buddy watch it your self look who first makes it Illegal ummm mormons in Utah who don't want to deal with mexicans and use it to get them out of the state. then lets move on the reason it also got banned racial problems in California, keep going cotton industry hemp ordeal blah blah blah. Anslinger convinces goverment to make federal move on it. Blah blah blah dumb lobbyist who push for bigger sentences which is **** anyone knows who studies law you have no idea what your talking about and made no point other than show me a movie that is probably the same as every other weed documentary that tells the truth but you have no points or anything to make so please don't comment not trying to be rude but really. :rant:

Salty_T_Dog · Oct 22, 2009

sorry for my grammar I'm in a hurry.

kidwoo · Oct 22, 2009

bizutch said:
The UCI was totally humiliated on the world stage in an era when they were dumping big bucks abroad on a fringe sport during it's heyday.

They humiliated themselves by giving a shlt about weed. And in only one discipline at that.

BC VAN · Oct 22, 2009

I don't think different organizations that are all affiliated should have a different set of rules, they do, but it just shows even more how bogus the whole thing is, we are always told as PRO's that UCI is the law of the land, so all penalties should be based off of UCI, thankfully they aren't for JD.

and to touch on the whole thing about it being 6 years later, i know of a rider who tested positive for amphetamine and methamphetamine around the same time as Gary's positive and he was only given 6 months!

The rule makes no sense to me, and the different levels of penalty make even less sense, a pro license with USAC is an international pro license so the penalties should be consistent.

Gary probably would still be racing, but he has moved on to a solid job with no inconsistency of sponsorships and the up and down life of trying to break into the next level as a MTB pro, he seems much happier without the stress of result based pay and has recently started riding bikes for fun again. I know i am stoked to see the old G Bo smile out on the trail.

as Rich said hopefully JD can pull it together? i know if i had his talent i would be hitting the foam pit and taking a strong look at the slope style scene.

IH8Rice · Oct 22, 2009

Salty_T_Dog said:
Hahaha your movie will only prove my hypothesis buddy watch it your self look who first makes it Illegal ummm mormons in Utah who don't want to deal with mexicans and use it to get them out of the state. then lets move on the reason it also got banned racial problems in California, keep going cotton industry hemp ordeal blah blah blah. Anslinger convinces goverment to make federal move on it. Blah blah blah dumb lobbyist who push for bigger sentences which is **** anyone knows who studies law you have no idea what your talking about and made no point other than show me a movie that is probably the same as every other weed documentary that tells the truth but you have no points or anything to make so please don't comment not trying to be rude but really.

if thats what you think make marijuana illegal, then you Mormons need to get out of your shell and read some history books and stop marrying 15 woman.

but then again, you did say "hypothesis" many times....you do know what that means right?

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