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Chimp
Apr 28, 2008
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Vanconver, WA
so do you have to live in Ohio or is this like it doesn't matter where you live? Just asking because I live in WA and my son is looking for a team to get onto.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
21,521
7,071
Colorado
Oh, can I get involved? I've always wanted to be on a team. I've always thought it would be cool to finish a race (oh are we going to be in red and race Mongeese, that's the plural right) and skid to a stop, and pull out my aviator glasses and say "I race." Then ride away.
That would be cool. would we also have a team song? I've always had a thing for 'Highway to the danger zone' by Kenny Loggins.What do you think?
Also, do I actually need to have any skills? Because I don't have that many. I mean I don't need that many to get chicks, so I shouldn't the be on a team right? Also, will it help me get chicks? i bet chicks dig racers.
 

slowitdown

Monkey
Mar 30, 2009
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No doubt. People are just plain asses around here, if you have nothing positive to add, just keep your piehole shut. The guy is throwing out a chance for people to be part of a team, what's the problem with that?
oh, the pain of coping with sarcasm. I hear it's worst among those whose IQ is below 80.

so someone in the middle of Flatland, USA is "making a DH race team"?

and it's not really just a buyer's club to get discounts?

really?

gosh! let's all lie to the mfrs to get "team discounts"!
 

Pslide

Turbo Monkey
oh, the pain of coping with sarcasm. I hear it's worst among those whose IQ is below 80.

so someone in the middle of Flatland, USA is "making a DH race team"?

and it's not really just a buyer's club to get discounts?

really?

gosh! let's all lie to the mfrs to get "team discounts"!
Hey, some of us have to live in flatland USA, and we love DH just as much as you.

This guy is trying to start something positive for the sport in Ohio, and all you're doing is bringing the sport down. Thanks a lot.

This kind of thing just happens to benefit both the manufacturer and the rider, as well as the sport in general. TBH, it's just what the sport needs.

Take you negativity elsewhere.
 
oh, the pain of coping with sarcasm. I hear it's worst among those whose IQ is below 80.

so someone in the middle of Flatland, USA is "making a DH race team"?

and it's not really just a buyer's club to get discounts?

really?

gosh! let's all lie to the mfrs to get "team discounts"!

For what's it worth, I have an IQ of 133 and I am a member of Mensa International. Sarcasm and "coping with sarcasm" have absolutely nothing to do with ones IQ.
 

bdamschen

Turbo Monkey
Nov 28, 2005
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Spreckels, CA
I don't see why there's a problem as long as the team's racers show up to the races they told their sponsors they were going to do and represent the products they told their sponsors they were going to represent.

If a manufacturer doesn't do make an effort to verify people they're hooking up are going to actually race, it's their bad.
 

slowitdown

Monkey
Mar 30, 2009
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For what's it worth, I have an IQ of 133 and I am a member of Mensa International. Sarcasm and "coping with sarcasm" have absolutely nothing to do with ones IQ.
it's worth very little, as your pointless onanism shows. I'm sorry for your low IQ score. maybe next life you'll be smart.

maybe.

Hey, some of us have to live in flatland USA, and we love DH just as much as you.

This guy is trying to start something positive for the sport in Ohio, and all you're doing is bringing the sport down. Thanks a lot.

This kind of thing just happens to benefit both the manufacturer and the rider, as well as the sport in general. TBH, it's just what the sport needs.

Take you negativity elsewhere.
Take your silliness back to Adam Smith's Capitalism 01 class. Maybe you and the other mercantilists can create some other buyers' clubs -- maybe for alpine skiing in the Sahara Desert.

Being "into DH racing" is all well and good for a flatlander. But it takes hills to race DH. Hills are what turn posing at DH into trying DH.

As to buyers' clubs for DH equipment, I guess they're really keen and nifty... especially when they ratchet upward the posing at DH element.
 
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$BMFB$

Chimp
Oct 28, 2008
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Jeezuz! this site is full of dickheads and its gettin worse everyday. I will no longer be checking this site for anything. **** all of you....DHDreams your still cool, I hope everything works out for you.
 
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stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
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Colorado
To those complaining that this is legitimate. After running multiple teams, through the years there is a HUGE difference is a team and a club when it comes to sponsorships. A team consists of riders, that race on the national circuit and their sponsorships are a direct result of their race results.

Teams often come together as groups of fast riders who tend to train and ride together reach a level that they can start giving productive feedback to their sponsors, who will often give them prototype goods for the feedback expected from high level racers (see the SEI racing as an example of this). These individuals often are good enough to garner sponsorships as individuals, but take advantage of the group to leverage their relationships AND also because as teams form, riders tend to ride the same gear. Team tend to be very selective about their equipment and turn down sponsorships if their performance will suffer. There are requirements to ride only sponsor equipment. Most teams get Level 1 pro-deal pricing.

A club is a group of riders, who love the sport and might race, but despite their love of the sport, are not good enough to garner individual sponsorships. Bike clubs will often describe themselves as teams, but are loose bands of riders that will work as a marketing group to get large number of individuals to buy product from mid-tier producers to blanket an area in said product. Often Level 3 pricing (ie 15%-25% off retail), these riders join the club for pricing discounts. Think team Wrongway or Southridge (with exception of the 2-3 pro's under this umbrella becuase they have a mgmt role in the "team").

Riders are selectively chosen to join teams. Clubs have open membership and cattle call enrollments.

This is a cattle call to make the membership of the club larger to show a larger advertising base. No more, no less.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
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Colorado
'Tis true, they must be migrating from Pinkbike. Not even worth replying.
Actually, most of the "jackasses" in this thread have been here a long time and seen this happen year after year.
If you want a sponsorship, go get fast and earn it. That's how we got them.
 

yuroshek

Turbo Monkey
Jun 26, 2007
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Arizona!
To those complaining that this is legitimate. After running multiple teams, through the years there is a HUGE difference is a team and a club when it comes to sponsorships. A team consists of riders, that race on the national circuit and their sponsorships are a direct result of their race results.

Teams often come together as groups of fast riders who tend to train and ride together reach a level that they can start giving productive feedback to their sponsors, who will often give them prototype goods for the feedback expected from high level racers (see the SEI racing as an example of this). These individuals often are good enough to garner sponsorships as individuals, but take advantage of the group to leverage their relationships AND also because as teams form, riders tend to ride the same gear. Team tend to be very selective about their equipment and turn down sponsorships if their performance will suffer. There are requirements to ride only sponsor equipment. Most teams get Level 1 pro-deal pricing.

A club is a group of riders, who love the sport and might race, but despite their love of the sport, are not good enough to garner individual sponsorships. Bike clubs will often describe themselves as teams, but are loose bands of riders that will work as a marketing group to get large number of individuals to buy product from mid-tier producers to blanket an area in said product. Often Level 3 pricing (ie 15%-25% off retail), these riders join the club for pricing discounts. Think team Wrongway or Southridge (with exception of the 2-3 pro's under this umbrella becuase they have a mgmt role in the "team").

Riders are selectively chosen to join teams. Clubs have open membership and cattle call enrollments.

This is a cattle call to make the membership of the club larger to show a larger advertising base. No more, no less.
well put. enough said.
 

Pslide

Turbo Monkey
Actually, most of the "jackasses" in this thread have been here a long time and seen this happen year after year.
If you want a sponsorship, go get fast and earn it. That's how we got them.

Dude, I run a team (www.racersguild.co.uk/Squadron.html). And a club.

Thanks for describing the differences we all already knew.

You don't have to be pro-sponsored to have a team. There are such things as amateur teams (like mine) with very base level sponsorship, say from a bike shop. They are teams too.

Seems to be a fair amount of elitism around here. I suppose you guys were NEVER beginners, looking for a way to progress. All this guy is doing is trying to help them.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
21,521
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Colorado
Dude, I run a team (www.racersguild.co.uk/Squadron.html). And a club.

Thanks for describing the differences we all already knew.

You don't have to be pro-sponsored to have a team. There are such things as amateur teams (like mine) with very base level sponsorship, say from a bike shop. They are teams too.

Seems to be a fair amount of elitism around here. I suppose you guys were NEVER beginners, looking for a way to progress. All this guy is doing is trying to help them.
He's done this multiple times over the last few years. The "team" is based all over, it's not a shop team where there is a central business involved; It's this guy's "club". If he could get the sponsorships on his own, he wouldn't be doing this. Also, find out how much it costs to join the team. There are a few of those around too, where you pay to play, and you pad the team organizers wallet.
 

ChrisKring

Turbo Monkey
Jan 30, 2002
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Grand Haven, MI
One comment not specific to this guys team: A successful team will have a racer development plan to look for the next up and coming racers. This includes looking into the juniors that may not be racing expert or pro and helping them out to make it to the pro ranks. So go easy on the not earning it arguement.

With regards to this guys deal, if you have something nasty to say, please identify yourself with your real name.
 
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DHDreams

Chimp
May 11, 2008
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Wow! I can't believe how negative you guys are. I am trying to do a good thing for a sport that I love. Wouldn't it be great if I could get more people involved? People who have never tried it, but always wanted to. Sometimes all it takes is a little motivation, direction, guidance, and support from someone who has been there and that can show you the ropes. Why would you knock someone for trying? Also, where does it say you have to pay to play? I am not the fastest guy on the mountain, but I can hold my own. I'd love to take a spin with you guys sometime. You might be surprised of what a guy from a state with no hills can do. Heck, one or both of my wheels might even leave the ground. That would be scary! I have never ridden on a team nor have I ever attempted to try to organize a team. This is all new to me. And, to be honest, it is not easy. Based on the support that I see here, I should go jump off a bridge (I don't know, maybe Ohio doesn't have any of those either...I bet there is an expert on this board who would know). What am I thinking? Why should I even try to organize a group of guys together to hit some races, go for rides, and have a good time? I am very capable to acquire sponsorships on my own. I totally support them in every way that I can. I was just hoping to try something new, expand and grow in the sport that I love, and try to give back by building up a good group of guys. I didn't realize that there was anything wrong with that. Where did I go wrong?

I often wonder why some people find it necessary to talk badly, cut down, or be negative to others... I'll bet someone here can tell me, or at least give me their oppinion.
 

thom9719

Turbo Monkey
Jul 25, 2005
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In the Northwest.
Based on the support that I see here, I should go jump off a bridge. I don't know, maybe Ohio doesn't have any of those either...I bet there is an expert on this board who would know.



Yup, in this photo of Cincinnati Ohio, you can clearly see bridges.

-RM Ohio bridge expert.
 
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stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
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Colorado
It's not so much that there is drive to cut down, but that there are a decent number of us on the board that have either part of the industry, or have played the sponsorship game for many years and know the game. If you are looking to build a team to "organize a group of guys together to hit some races, go for rides, and have a good time?" then get your buddies together and start a team small like that. If you don't have that network in your area, then meet people who are around the same speed as you at local races and start discussing something in advance of the upcoming season.
The cattle call style team membership can be identified from a mile away and generally doesn't get you much from sponsors. If you can obtain your own sponsorships, get them, and dominate your class. Bring on locals one at a time to join you and bring a cohesive structure together. Don't do the cattle call, it only leads to more problems later.
 

BKQuill

Turbo Monkey
Dec 19, 2004
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Rangers Lead the Way
it's worth very little, as your pointless onanism shows. I'm sorry for your low IQ score. maybe next life you'll be smart.

maybe.
I bet his PhD from Yale would beg to differ.

Man, there are some bitter, hateful people on this site, and it is getting worse.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I agree with Joker, you really are opening the floodgate by broadcasting for rider's.
 

Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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Transitory
Hey! You know the best way to minimize the BS? Dont respond to it!

"..PhD from Yale.." Whoopeedoo! Yay! Really? Sounds like a 2nd grade pissing match.

Fun for all.

I say Discount Club or 'Real' race team -- do it if you're into it.

Funny **** if the team actually happens and gets some visibility! A pox on all the nay-sayers!

Now go watch Family Guy (substitute what amuses you the most) and pull the stick from the collective butt.
 

gemini2k

Turbo Monkey
Jul 31, 2005
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San Francisco
I'm browsing 4chan and failblog right now, there's about 50 million different pics that would fit this thread perfectly right about now. I choose this.
 

gemini2k

Turbo Monkey
Jul 31, 2005
3,526
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San Francisco
Hey! You know the best way to minimize the BS? Dont respond to it!

"..PhD from Yale.." Whoopeedoo! Yay! Really? Sounds like a 2nd grade pissing match.

Fun for all.

I say Discount Club or 'Real' race team -- do it if you're into it.

Funny **** if the team actually happens and gets some visibility! A pox on all the nay-sayers!

Now go watch Family Guy (substitute what amuses you the most) and pull the stick from the collective butt.
I like you mroe and more big guy, lets party/ride sometime!
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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You guys are a bunch of pointless pricks.

The dude is trying to start a team that he thinks will be fun. It'll bring some positive contributors to a sport.

The elitist dicks here think that being on a team or arranging a sponsorship is some kind of privilege that they alone should possess. Guess what? If the original poster wants to arrange a "buying club" - which, by the way, is a lousy way of describing a group of riders who all want to go out and race - what, exactly, is wrong with that? It's another team out on the hills bringing dollars into the biking and racing markets. It's another team supporting local riding events. Maybe they will only show up to a race if they can say they're sponsored. Who cares? It's dollars flowing into an industry that you should all be excited to have dollars flowing into.

And for those less cynical among you who might see that it's not just dollars: it's also support. This guy seems positive and excited at the prospect of starting something that he and others can enjoy. He's well spoken - more and more a rarity - and has some energy. Do you not see that this kind of person is a good ambassador for the sport? A good person to have out on the hills?

Goddamn. Is it really so hard to just think things through before posting a knee-jerk negative response? If you have constructive criticism, post it. Post it in a manner of educating someone who doesn't know better.
 

Pegboy

Turbo Monkey
Jan 20, 2003
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New Hamp-sha
Who knows, maybe they'll be successful. Maybe one of their riders might even have one of the sponsors send him a hoodie, and then he can post online about how cool he is and special their reltionship is...that would be "pro"..

I would ignore the asshats, as far as I can tell there are only some medium fish from small ponds responding negatively to this. One thing that I've learned is that generally, the really good riders don't spray...they don't need to. You would never see EC posting responses like these. Good luck.
 
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P.T.W

Monkey
May 6, 2007
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christchurch nz
You guys are a bunch of pointless pricks.

The dude is trying to start a team that he thinks will be fun. It'll bring some positive contributors to a sport.

The elitist dicks here think that being on a team or arranging a sponsorship is some kind of privilege that they alone should possess. Guess what? If the original poster wants to arrange a "buying club" - which, by the way, is a lousy way of describing a group of riders who all want to go out and race - what, exactly, is wrong with that? It's another team out on the hills bringing dollars into the biking and racing markets. It's another team supporting local riding events. Maybe they will only show up to a race if they can say they're sponsored. Who cares? It's dollars flowing into an industry that you should all be excited to have dollars flowing into.

And for those less cynical among you who might see that it's not just dollars: it's also support. This guy seems positive and excited at the prospect of starting something that he and others can enjoy. He's well spoken - more and more a rarity - and has some energy. Do you not see that this kind of person is a good ambassador for the sport? A good person to have out on the hills?

Goddamn. Is it really so hard to just think things through before posting a knee-jerk negative response? If you have constructive criticism, post it. Post it in a manner of educating someone who doesn't know better.
Stink why cant moderators be given rep???:thumb: