sooooooooooo, is it one pin ore one for each side?
New Thin Flat Pedals from the Bro's
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Read the thread. You will find the answer.
no, I will find speculation, hence my question posed towards people who have actually seen, touched and ridden them.
If you however have this information
than just go ahead and let all us curious know for a fact if they are or aren't one pin............or move on.
yeah, coz changing from 170 or 175 cranks to 165 doesn't make a different either......Yeah, that extra 2...maybe up to 4mm ought to cure that rock-smacking outright.
Ha! You sniped my post. :biggrin:yeah, coz changing from 170 or 175 cranks to 165 doesn't make a different either......
I remember going from my Syncros pedals to some new Aircorps and you know what? I didn't seem to tag stuff as much...
What are these Konas you speak of? Konas are made by wellgo. Do tell.
He's talking about the Kona Wah Wahs i believe. Good pedals.
I do like the look of these Canfields, I'm totally down with the whole foot closer to the axis of rotation, lower GoG, better efficiency, more clearance etc...
Is there any scope for making the Crampons lighter? Ti axle? A bit more material removed from the middle section (bigger holes?) to also aid mud shedding. I can't see this making them any weaker?
Read the thread. The answer is in here.no, I will find speculation, hence my question posed towards people who have actually seen, touched and ridden them.
If you however have this information
I just wish the spindle/axles didn't taper.. I've broken several pedals at the tapered end at the threads
it's one long set screw, in the pic i can see both male and female parts. it'd be dumb to run both sides, they'd have zero insertion.no, I will find speculation, hence my question posed towards people who have actually seen, touched and ridden them.
If you however have this information
as I suspected from the photos and the obvious lack of interface for collinear thread pockets. I can't imagine backing a boogered up steel set screw through a aluminum pedal won't cause some issues. My pedals don't have one set screw in them that would pass through threads.
On the other hand, I rarely need new set screws before I need new pedals.... and as far as expendable parts go, pedals are right up there. I've yet to not bend an axle on any pedal. and at $150 I'd be happy to get a couple seasons out of them.
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according to the european distributor there will be a magnesium body option and a ti axle option later:
http://www.downhill-board.com/51798-canfield-brothers-crampon-pedal.html
Why do you have to back the "boogerd" side of the set screw up to get it out????... Why not just remove it via the non"boogerd" side???
Id say youd be pretty unlucky to "booger" both sides of the same set screw in the same run or day even.....why not just replace while you still have one good side? Orrrrrr ir both sides are "boogerd" just cut one side of flush as you can with your trusty dremel or hacksaw an remove from other side?
just sayn
Sheesh, you must be a injanear or sommat!Why do you have to back the "boogerd" side of the set screw up to get it out????... Why not just remove it via the non"boogerd" side???
Id say youd be pretty unlucky to "booger" both sides of the same set screw in the same run or day even.....why not just replace while you still have one good side? Orrrrrr ir both sides are "boogerd" just cut one side of flush as you can with your trusty dremel or hacksaw an remove from other side?
just sayn
Np with strength - Did a 18x12ft step down this past weekend ... not issues.
And I'm 235lbs on a good day.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?p=5746954&postcount=50
more photos of the pedals - road them this past weekend and they are absolutely amazing. i'm buying a pair and a few beer for chris and lance.
more photos of the pedals - road them this past weekend and they are absolutely amazing. i'm buying a pair and a few beer for chris and lance.
Can anyone give a long term review on these?
Has it been that long?
I've had my set for about 8-9 months now.
Still feel exactly the same as I got them, look a little worse for wear, but haven't torn or mashed any pins out, still spins smooth, axle is free of any burrs and nicks (when you hit rocks, the pedal body hits, not the axles).
Are still significantly the best pedal I've ever ridden, (and same for everybody who has ridden my set).
Still recommend them with no hesitation over any other pedal on the market save the fly papers, but you need wonky cranks for those.
I only thought positive of the slight bulge on the outside of the spindle when I got them, and its the same now.
I hesitate to even say this next part, because this, being the internet after all, means some moron is going to take this the wrong way and tell everybody they ever meet that its a terrible pedal and blahblahblah and they heard it was the worst thing ever. But here it is anyway, because I think its worth addressing.
Its better in every regard to every other flat pedal out there save in weight (which its still better then almost all of them) in the dry. In the wet and goopy mud (I'll take a picture to help elaborate how muddy it is, but my bike is, on average, 4-5lbs heavier after a ride then it is before a ride on the trails I'm riding this time a year), its about as good as the best pedals out there. All the flat surface area on the pedal isn't condusive to sticking when it gets muddy, so while they're still sticky with 5.10's, they lose some of that mind blowing grip. You still get to put your foot anywhere you want on it and have it stick and feel comfortable (way better then every other pedal), but its not as ridiculously grippy.
Basically, in the dry they're about 2x better then the best pedals out there (syncros, 26, etc), and in the mud they're about the same as the best pedals out there
So again, for you internet dweebs, I still think for 150 bucks, if all your riding is mud, then its still a great pedal (and probably better or as good as everything else out there), but its really in the dry that it shines so much. The wetter/looser the mud, the less it matters, the heavier/clayier the mud, the bigger an issue.
I've got about 7 months on mine. I've put them through a pretty good whooping and a couple resort trips to sun peaks and whistler. They've held up great, bearings are still smooth, and they haven't bent, cracked, or twisted.
The bulge on the inside of the pedal seems like it would bother your foot and push it to the outside, but that really doesn't happen. You don't notice it at all. I was pleasantly surprised by that.
I do suggest getting your foot set on these pedals before you start riding because they grip to your feet so well its hard to adjust mid-run.
My only real complaint is some of the pins falling out, and that can be easily solved with a little extra loctite, other than what is provided out of the box.
Overall, I've really liked this pedal. Great grip, superb feeling on your foot. But the most noticeable advantage I've noticed is that they are so thin you can raise your heel and almost pull up on the backstroke, they do a great job of eliminating the dead spot in pedal rotation.
The bulge on the inside of the pedal seems like it would bother your foot and push it to the outside, but that really doesn't happen. You don't notice it at all. I was pleasantly surprised by that.
I do suggest getting your foot set on these pedals before you start riding because they grip to your feet so well its hard to adjust mid-run.
My only real complaint is some of the pins falling out, and that can be easily solved with a little extra loctite, other than what is provided out of the box.
Overall, I've really liked this pedal. Great grip, superb feeling on your foot. But the most noticeable advantage I've noticed is that they are so thin you can raise your heel and almost pull up on the backstroke, they do a great job of eliminating the dead spot in pedal rotation.
One thing I did notice is that I had to run 5.10's with these. I can't wear my Nike 6.0's, and found this out when I went to do some sprints yesterday. I can, and finished the sprints, but no way would there be enough grip if I was in a rock garden.
That may be, again, the consequence of putting pins towards the middle, and of course, a surface like the bottom of 6.0's probably don't help at all.
That may be, again, the consequence of putting pins towards the middle, and of course, a surface like the bottom of 6.0's probably don't help at all.
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I have also been on them since they first got to the canfields (went over to chris's house and picked them up. I have ridden the two pair i got on freeride jump filled trails, Nasty rock gardens, dirt jumps, 25 mile XC trails, and everything inbetween. They have been on 3 different bikes and ridden hard.
With that said i love these pedals. They definately feel different than any other pedal i have ridden. They are crazy grippy with 5.10's and they are very light. The pins, even though thinner, are holding up great!!
The best part is the extra pedal clearance while at the same time your foot is lower too. Dropping your center of gravity a little is always a plus.
Luckily there isn't anything crazy muddy or sloppy around here but i have ridden them in the rain and grit and they seem to work just as good as any.
To address some of the things people are worried about.
Do you feel the bulges? Yes you do. mainly the outer one. I actually have grown to really like it though. It almost feels concave from side to side which really gives your foot a very secure feel. It also gives you a sense of security when you feel it under your foot. Now when i ride other bikes with corsair, deity, or kona pedals it feels really weird. A strange sense of insecurity. Im not saying those pedals suck but after riding the canfields it feels a little weird to try anything else.
Do you feel the axle under your foot? No but you occasionaly get a squeek when pedalling uphill. Is it enough to bug me? no not really. It actually only happens one out of 5 rides maybe and only on my left foot which is weird. Maybe i stand weird. You definately don't feel any resistance or drag of any kind.
Are they sturdy? definately, i have hit some rocks at good speed and because of their shape they deflect well. The most abuse is actually around the bulge on the outside of the pedal. This is good since it is the strongest part i would imagine. I also felt like there were times where if the pedals were any fatter i would have eaten crap. Many times i thought "oh crap, im going to clip my pedal good" but i don't even hit it.
Are they convex? no they are flat. all the pins thread from one side all the way to the other (so one solid pin that is halfway through the pedal and is used on both sides). So all of them are the same length. So its a flat pedal. Is it good or bad? depends on what you like i guess. I had previously only used convex pedals and it took me a ride or two to get used to it but im sold.
If any one has any specific questions i would be glad to answer them. Also if you are in Salt lake city utah and want to try them then let me know. Ill let anyone try them out. Ill even take them off my bike and put them on yours.
I got a brand new set for my new bike so ill take some pics and ill be posting a big review on mtbgeartech.com.
With that said i love these pedals. They definately feel different than any other pedal i have ridden. They are crazy grippy with 5.10's and they are very light. The pins, even though thinner, are holding up great!!
The best part is the extra pedal clearance while at the same time your foot is lower too. Dropping your center of gravity a little is always a plus.
Luckily there isn't anything crazy muddy or sloppy around here but i have ridden them in the rain and grit and they seem to work just as good as any.
To address some of the things people are worried about.
Do you feel the bulges? Yes you do. mainly the outer one. I actually have grown to really like it though. It almost feels concave from side to side which really gives your foot a very secure feel. It also gives you a sense of security when you feel it under your foot. Now when i ride other bikes with corsair, deity, or kona pedals it feels really weird. A strange sense of insecurity. Im not saying those pedals suck but after riding the canfields it feels a little weird to try anything else.
Do you feel the axle under your foot? No but you occasionaly get a squeek when pedalling uphill. Is it enough to bug me? no not really. It actually only happens one out of 5 rides maybe and only on my left foot which is weird. Maybe i stand weird. You definately don't feel any resistance or drag of any kind.
Are they sturdy? definately, i have hit some rocks at good speed and because of their shape they deflect well. The most abuse is actually around the bulge on the outside of the pedal. This is good since it is the strongest part i would imagine. I also felt like there were times where if the pedals were any fatter i would have eaten crap. Many times i thought "oh crap, im going to clip my pedal good" but i don't even hit it.
Are they convex? no they are flat. all the pins thread from one side all the way to the other (so one solid pin that is halfway through the pedal and is used on both sides). So all of them are the same length. So its a flat pedal. Is it good or bad? depends on what you like i guess. I had previously only used convex pedals and it took me a ride or two to get used to it but im sold.
If any one has any specific questions i would be glad to answer them. Also if you are in Salt lake city utah and want to try them then let me know. Ill let anyone try them out. Ill even take them off my bike and put them on yours.
I got a brand new set for my new bike so ill take some pics and ill be posting a big review on mtbgeartech.com.
Well, here is my ham-fisted word of fail warning - go easy with the loc-tite.
I had not placed the longest pins on the inner and outter holes adjacent to the axle, but went with the next longest pins there. My thought was that it would avoid a convex feel. Well, after several rides with these on my all mountain rig, and only a few rides on my DH rig, I thought about going back and trying the longest pins in those locations, which is the suggested way to do things.
First, the good news: The pins on the inside were a bit sticky to remove, and they flexed the hex wrench, but came out fine.
Next, the bad news: The outter pins had filled with dirt in the hex head and it was not easy/possible to clear the dirt out to get solid hex wrench engagement. I went to plan-B, which was PLIERS! I grabbed the first one by the hex head side and tried to twist, but the "hollow" nature of the hex side made it squish at the level of pressure needed to get enough grip to also get rotation. Also, since I hadn't used the longest pins, the amount of pin available to be grabbed wasn't particularly generous. For fear of breaking off the pin, I tried the back door. I grabbed the backside of the pin, which was less squishy, and I was able to get some rotation, though sadly, the threads took some damage. Also, you can only "back" the pins out so far before you need to grab the hex-side to finish the job. In retrospect, the better way to do it would have been to start by grabbing the non-hex side and turning it so that the pin threaded all the way through, instead of trying to back it out, which forces you to deal with the squishy and dirt filled hex head side issues. Sadly, it took me a few tries to get it right and I've now got one pedal that has the pins closest to the axle on the outside of the pedal body snapped off and not likely to come out or offer grip. Meh.
To accomodate for this, I took the longest pins and placed them in the next-closest set of holes. I'm riding Saturday, and we will see how this works.
I'm not sure I'm 100% sold on these pedals for DH. My size 13 shoes like a big concave landing pad when the going gets rough, and the difference in profile size compared to other pedals isn't super noticeable to me.
I do still love these guys for all mountain rides. The thin profile helps out a ton when pedaling up hills. While they aren't clipless, they are the best flats I've tried and give you the most grip through the spin rotation. They are also much more comfy for doing dabs on techy trails than clipless are. They are also lo-pro and light for flats, which is a big plus when trying to keep the AM rig weight down.
I'd give these an 8.5 out of 10 for DH and 9.5 out of 10 for AM. The pin issue has me worried about future similar issues, which keeps me from giving them a 9 for DH. A bigger hex head size would be nice, but I also understand the trade-off in pin diameter has other implications (sure, I've lost/bent/busted pins on other pedals, but I've not had the same issue with getting them out with the pliers). Since pedal feel is very subjective, and these haven't made me feel like I've found The Grail, I'm saving the "10" rating for that pedal, but I understand YMMV. One other factor is the price on these. I understand that this is not a catalog-pedal and being made/sold by a small company, and the design is out-of-the-box, so I get it. Luckily, I've got the money to spend on them, but know that others don't. Are they better than other pedals on the market? Yes. Are they $50-$100 better? I think that depends. Otherwise, I've had a hard time finding fault with the Crampons and I'd consider buying them again. Bravo for innovation and solid executuion.
I had not placed the longest pins on the inner and outter holes adjacent to the axle, but went with the next longest pins there. My thought was that it would avoid a convex feel. Well, after several rides with these on my all mountain rig, and only a few rides on my DH rig, I thought about going back and trying the longest pins in those locations, which is the suggested way to do things.
First, the good news: The pins on the inside were a bit sticky to remove, and they flexed the hex wrench, but came out fine.
Next, the bad news: The outter pins had filled with dirt in the hex head and it was not easy/possible to clear the dirt out to get solid hex wrench engagement. I went to plan-B, which was PLIERS! I grabbed the first one by the hex head side and tried to twist, but the "hollow" nature of the hex side made it squish at the level of pressure needed to get enough grip to also get rotation. Also, since I hadn't used the longest pins, the amount of pin available to be grabbed wasn't particularly generous. For fear of breaking off the pin, I tried the back door. I grabbed the backside of the pin, which was less squishy, and I was able to get some rotation, though sadly, the threads took some damage. Also, you can only "back" the pins out so far before you need to grab the hex-side to finish the job. In retrospect, the better way to do it would have been to start by grabbing the non-hex side and turning it so that the pin threaded all the way through, instead of trying to back it out, which forces you to deal with the squishy and dirt filled hex head side issues. Sadly, it took me a few tries to get it right and I've now got one pedal that has the pins closest to the axle on the outside of the pedal body snapped off and not likely to come out or offer grip. Meh.
To accomodate for this, I took the longest pins and placed them in the next-closest set of holes. I'm riding Saturday, and we will see how this works.
I'm not sure I'm 100% sold on these pedals for DH. My size 13 shoes like a big concave landing pad when the going gets rough, and the difference in profile size compared to other pedals isn't super noticeable to me.
I do still love these guys for all mountain rides. The thin profile helps out a ton when pedaling up hills. While they aren't clipless, they are the best flats I've tried and give you the most grip through the spin rotation. They are also much more comfy for doing dabs on techy trails than clipless are. They are also lo-pro and light for flats, which is a big plus when trying to keep the AM rig weight down.
I'd give these an 8.5 out of 10 for DH and 9.5 out of 10 for AM. The pin issue has me worried about future similar issues, which keeps me from giving them a 9 for DH. A bigger hex head size would be nice, but I also understand the trade-off in pin diameter has other implications (sure, I've lost/bent/busted pins on other pedals, but I've not had the same issue with getting them out with the pliers). Since pedal feel is very subjective, and these haven't made me feel like I've found The Grail, I'm saving the "10" rating for that pedal, but I understand YMMV. One other factor is the price on these. I understand that this is not a catalog-pedal and being made/sold by a small company, and the design is out-of-the-box, so I get it. Luckily, I've got the money to spend on them, but know that others don't. Are they better than other pedals on the market? Yes. Are they $50-$100 better? I think that depends. Otherwise, I've had a hard time finding fault with the Crampons and I'd consider buying them again. Bravo for innovation and solid executuion.
Great pedals! Can somebody tell me when CB will start to sell them again? And may be who know: where are they made? In the USA or Taiwan/China?? I'm really interesting this 
supposedly they plan on releasing a new and improved version of the pedals and they were/are made in taiwan/chinaGreat pedals! Can somebody tell me when CB will start to sell them again? And may be who know: where are they made? In the USA or Taiwan/China?? I'm really interesting this
Not possible to clear the dirt?
Where exactly did you put the loctite? 
Hint: Take an old spoke and grind down the threaded end to a nice sharp point. This should be able to clean out any dirt and avoid having to resort to plan B...
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+ 5 characters.Chris Canfield said:
Yeah the new batch is in soon, and Adam I sheer pins off all the time as well as smash these into rocks, sometimes we have to do whatever to remove them... I had to cut one off it was flanged so bad on 1 side and bent on the other... LOL
Its out and a new ones in....
All open areas on pins fill and pack with dirt I keep a pic tool to dig in it and mash the dirt around then tap it out...
Love the pedals worked in all weather so far and have been flawless....
Ive had the hex style pins HATED them they never just gouged into my shoes the way pins do, I like pulling a foot up a bit to unstick it 5:10s and pins is a winning combo.
Xpedos had those and I always swapped them out, Twenty6's came with them I swapped them out. Pins for the WIN!
Its out and a new ones in....
All open areas on pins fill and pack with dirt I keep a pic tool to dig in it and mash the dirt around then tap it out...
Love the pedals worked in all weather so far and have been flawless....
Ive had the hex style pins HATED them they never just gouged into my shoes the way pins do, I like pulling a foot up a bit to unstick it 5:10s and pins is a winning combo.
Xpedos had those and I always swapped them out, Twenty6's came with them I swapped them out. Pins for the WIN!
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I LOVE these pedals, i'm not going to go so far as to write a review, but i cant get over how efficiently they pedal, id say with 510s most pedals will grip as well, but the pedaling is unbelievable.